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[AlanC9]

ransompendragon wrote...

And you have the choice to obsess about which sword to dump or keep or to take one and move along. But when they take away the choice completely then that is going against what RPG is all about.

RPG is all about fiddling with inventory?

[RyuKaiser]

Dharren wrote...

I would rather play the game all at once.

I'm pretty sure these Whipper Snappers weren't even born back in the Old Days. You remember the old days, right? Our games came on cartridges. We read Nintendo Power to tell if a game was good, and when we rented a game, we got the full game instead of half the game. When we bought a game, it was either filled to the brim with good stuff, or it was kicked off to the side. When we were done with a game, we traded it, or gave it to a friend, and they had the full game as long as they had that cartridge.

Let me give you some comparisons. In Final Fantasy 3/6, there's a character named Shadow. He's a Ninja. He's very, very optional, but he's also tied to one of the main cast members, and has his own sidequests. In this day and age, he would be a DLC character. Locke's past would also be DLC, the one where you get the Phoenix Magicite. How about Chrono Trigger? They'd probably sell Human Frog as DLC. Magus? DLC character.

What I mean by bringing all this up is, what was once standard in our video games is now something we have to pay for. Our games came complete, fully bug tested, and with all sorts of little extras to do. With the main quest, there was also several side quests, extra characters to find, and extra story to be told. What I've come to see however is a disturbing trend where people get 1 or 2 hours from $7 DLC and say that it's needed and expands on the game.

The easiest way to view this is that for the first year, everyone is given a $60 beta. Those people pay into it, buy the DLC, and get the full game at the end. The 2nd year is when the actual game comes out, only under the name "Ultimate Collection". If anyone remebers Tales of Vesperia, they held 2 characters back, IE, Patty the Pirate and Flynn. They later released the game as a "Director's Cut", even though it was already proven that these characters had already been hard-coded in, and several scenes open to where they were supposed to be.

I know, I know, it's "just appearance". But y'know, these things used to come standard with the game. THat was when gaming was a hobby sneered at. Now it's all super casual, 10 hour long $60 games. I don't mind get-in and get-out gameplay, but I don't like how it's rotted away what was once essential in our games: Fun, Replay Value, Extra Goodies to make your product stand out.

I feel like an old fart talking like that, but heck. I miss when I was shunned for being a gamer, before everything was 14 year olds brofisting each other over their X-Box. Before everything was a convoluted military shooter because they don't have the stuff to actually join the army. Before games came in pieces which were sold to people overtime, even though the "DLC" was probably already on the disc to begin with, and they were just buying the rights to unlock it and play it.

[Hideyoshi]

 Disgusting. I didn't know about this. While it doesn't make it a deal breaker, it certainly hurts my customization in terms of party style.

[Relshar]

This sucks, I guess EA want more money from us so we buy DLC like we did in ME2. Please BioWare give us the tool box like you did with DA:O and let us make our own armour and clothing.

Also its a cheap trick if the npcs are going to look the same throughout the game no matter what type of armour you put on them or even if its possible.

[RedShft]

xnoxiousx wrote...

they want charge us more and more for dlc and different looks

like me2

The real reason is that they hate you. They want you to cry all alone in your bed at night while they laugh their evil laugh rolling around in their piles of money up in Canada. 

[AlanC9]

RyuKaiser wrote...
Let me give you some comparisons. In Final Fantasy 3/6, there's a character named Shadow. He's a Ninja. He's very, very optional, but he's also tied to one of the main cast members, and has his own sidequests. In this day and age, he would be a DLC character.

Just a little bit overstated there. Leliana and Sten fit the criterion, but they are not DLC. Several of the ME2 companions could also have been DLC with minor changes to some triggering conditions in the main plot

What I've come to see however is a disturbing trend where people get 1 or 2 hours from $7 DLC and say that it's needed and expands on the game.

Needed and expands are not the same thing at all. Do people actually feel the DLCs are needed? Which ones? I wouldn't know -- I've never bought one.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

RPG is all about fiddling with inventory?

RPGs are about making informed decisions.

[Sylvius the Mad]

RyuKaiser wrote...

Our games came on cartridges.

Some people's did.  Mine came on cassettes.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Do people actually feel the DLCs are needed?

I don't.  I don't even particularly want the DLC that are standalone campaigns.  Awakenings and Witch Hunt don't interest me nearly as much as those that integrate with the original game.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

RyuKaiser wrote...

Our games came on cartridges.

Some people's did.  Mine came on cassettes.

Hrmmm. Shareware on floppies that we'd share with each other and cuss up a ****storm when mold would grow on them.

The days of PC gaming in the 80s. 

I feel ****ing old.

[Aermas]

They took out armor because people complained about the generic looking armor that the characters equipped, & from the fact that some characters had no business wearing certain armors. i.e. Sten in robes/Wynne in plate.

Personally I do not support Bioware's decision to "streamline" armor, but I doubt that the lack of armor has anything to do with Bioware wanting your sweet, sweet DLC money

[Hideyoshi]

Aermas wrote...

They took out armor because people complained about the generic looking armor that the characters equipped, & from the fact that some characters had no business wearing certain armors. i.e. Sten in robes/Wynne in plate.

Personally I do not support Bioware's decision to "streamline" armor, but I doubt that the lack of armor has anything to do with Bioware wanting your sweet, sweet DLC money

Wait. I may be misunderstanding. Do other party members still have equippable armors that don't change their looks?

[mesmerizedish]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Do people actually feel the DLCs are needed?

I don't.  I don't even particularly want the DLC that are standalone campaigns.  Awakenings and Witch Hunt don't interest me nearly as much as those that integrate with the original game.

I agree with this sentiment, but I think that might be because my additional-content background is founded in Morrowind.

[Arrtis]

xnoxiousx wrote...

they want charge us more and more for dlc and different looks

like me2

Also they had a huge problem with your companions looking bad.
This way...they have a chance of always looking good....I guess....

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Arrtis wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

they want charge us more and more for dlc and different looks

like me2

Also they had a huge problem with your companions looking bad.
This way...they have a chance of always looking good....I guess....

The toolset let everyone look as good as we wanted. 

[thedistortedchild]

xnoxiousx wrote...

they want charge us more and more for dlc and different looks

like me2

I came here expecting ranting and conspiracy theories; how dare you disappoint me sir!

Modifié par thedistortedchild, 06 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Aermas]

Hideyoshi wrote...

Aermas wrote...

They took out armor because people complained about the generic looking armor that the characters equipped, & from the fact that some characters had no business wearing certain armors. i.e. Sten in robes/Wynne in plate.

Personally I do not support Bioware's decision to "streamline" armor, but I doubt that the lack of armor has anything to do with Bioware wanting your sweet, sweet DLC money

Wait. I may be misunderstanding. Do other party members still have equippable armors that don't change their looks?

Bioware has more or less gone the way of JRPG's (hopefully they will come to thier senses soon)
"Armor" is upgradeable but the character will change garb for story reasons. So Isabela will be wearing a scarf when facing an Ogre & could have the same armor bonus as Carver in full plate.<_<

[Maria Caliban]

Dave of Canada wrote...

... everybody wearing Dalish Leather Jockstrap...

I would buy that appearance pack.

[Marhkus]

I read most of the thread and I've come to the decision that 'I don't care'. They can be dress however they like, it's not going to bother me in the least actually. ((That's me though, I understand why it bothers some/most of you)).

For me, it's about the story mostly and discovering a bit more about the Dragon Age universe. Not saying I wouldn't buy a pack though if there was one. And if the price was right... By that I mean cheap.

Modifié par Marhkus, 06 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[Esbatty]

Aermas wrote...

Hideyoshi wrote...

Aermas wrote...

They took out armor because people complained about the generic looking armor that the characters equipped, & from the fact that some characters had no business wearing certain armors. i.e. Sten in robes/Wynne in plate.

Personally I do not support Bioware's decision to "streamline" armor, but I doubt that the lack of armor has anything to do with Bioware wanting your sweet, sweet DLC money

Wait. I may be misunderstanding. Do other party members still have equippable armors that don't change their looks?

Bioware has more or less gone the way of JRPG's (hopefully they will come to thier senses soon)
"Armor" is upgradeable but the character will change garb for story reasons. So Isabela will be wearing a scarf when facing an Ogre & could have the same armor bonus as Carver in full plate.<_<

I dunno, I like the streamlined appearances. I loved Morrigan's robes but even the "Robes of Possession" you later find are outclassed by other drops and shop purchased robes. Or hell even armor if you make her an Arcane Warrior.

Oddly enough I go a little crazy hoarding armor and weapons for the Archie Fight that by the time I meet Sandal I'm overwhelmed with special inventory that it breaks my little pack rat heart to sell any of it despite the fact you get better gear by the end of the Awakening intro.

[Hideyoshi]

Aermas wrote...

Hideyoshi wrote...

Aermas wrote...

They took out armor because people complained about the generic looking armor that the characters equipped, & from the fact that some characters had no business wearing certain armors. i.e. Sten in robes/Wynne in plate.

Personally I do not support Bioware's decision to "streamline" armor, but I doubt that the lack of armor has anything to do with Bioware wanting your sweet, sweet DLC money

Wait. I may be misunderstanding. Do other party members still have equippable armors that don't change their looks?

Bioware has more or less gone the way of JRPG's (hopefully they will come to thier senses soon)
"Armor" is upgradeable but the character will change garb for story reasons. So Isabela will be wearing a scarf when facing an Ogre & could have the same armor bonus as Carver in full plate.<_<

So what you're saying is, there IS actual armor in the game for them, it just doesn't show on them?

Modifié par Hideyoshi, 06 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Aermas]

Hideyoshi wrote...
So what you're saying is, there IS actual armor in the game for them, it just doesn't show on them?

Pretty much, I'm not sure if they call it "armor" but yes.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Aermas wrote...

Hideyoshi wrote...
So what you're saying is, there IS actual armor in the game for them, it just doesn't show on them?

Pretty much, I'm not sure if they call it "armor" but yes.

There is an armor upgrade system, so you can make your companion's armor gain better stats. You do not change the appearance. The appearance for some companions will change depending on when you are in the 10 year saga.

[Hideyoshi]

Aermas wrote...

Hideyoshi wrote...
So what you're saying is, there IS actual armor in the game for them, it just doesn't show on them?

Pretty much, I'm not sure if they call it "armor" but yes.

As long as there's a little bit more customization than what it sounded like.

..Does Hawke get armor that he/she can change at will?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Hideyoshi wrote...

..Does Hawke get armor that he/she can change at will?

I'm also interested to know if Hawke can adopt a static appearance without sacrificing statistical benefits the same way the companions can.

And if not, why not?