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[RogueWriter3201]

 You know, it’s rather heartbreaking that so many people feel the need to fill the empty void in their lives by attacking someone who did the best they could under trying and difficult circumstances to create and release a truly outstanding experience. Is it the greatest game of all time? Of course not, and that was never it’s intention. What Mike and the team set out to do was return us to the Universe of Dragon Age while improving upon all the elements portrayed in it’s original incarnation. Clearly, some feel that said original incarnation required little, if any, Improvements. I, however, among others who have posted similar views, beg to differ. As to who is the majority and who the minority in that regard is open to debate as one can find a myriad of views spread across not just the whole of the BSN, but other threads, forums, websites and so forth. But that is neither here nor there. 
  
What this thread originally set out to do was praise a talented game designer, and overall a solid human being, with a job well done, which he wholly deserves. Some people are not happy with the final product, and as Mike himself has even said that was to be expected given the changes. People are often not keen on change, a particular fact which has shown itself in glaring examples across the whole of Human History. While I’m not alluding to the possibility that the release of Dragon Age 2 harkens to those pivotal events, I am saying that it’s often far too easy to attack someone and place the blame for said unwanted change upon their shoulders rather then stand back and take stalk of what good was achieved. In this case that good was an improved artistic direction, control and game-play mechanics that were tailored to more then just the Baldur’s Gate crowd, and a rich character driven story. Do I expect everyone to agree with me on those points? Of course not. 
  
However, whether one agrees or not, making personal attacks or lambasting someone who tried to do the best, alongside others, he could do with what he was given smacks of a lack of even simple kindness and human courtesy. If you did not enjoy the changes to Dragon Age as a whole, then permit your wallet to speak for you; do not purchase the game, return it if you feel you must. or reframe from purchasing further forays into the DA Universe. But dedicating yourself to verbally (in a text based format) shredding a man for the sake of amusement who has done nothing to you and has only done a job that he loves to the best of his abilities smacks of outright cruelty. 
  
For what little my opinion is worth, especially as someone who has been unable, for financial reasons, to purchase the game, though has played it too completion, I feel Mike Laidlaw deserves a full compliment of accolades for what the fans received in Dragon Age 2; and, even if you feel the game was lackluster at best, for what he has been a part of as well as the long, likely grueling, months he tried to do seemingly the impossible, that being to create a sequel to one of the Greatest RPGs of all time, that was several years in the making, in only 18 months, he at least deserves a degree of Respect. I only hope these bewildering and unwarranted attacks against the game as a whole do not impede the future of this amazing Universe, nor prevent Mike from taking the reigns of any and all subsequent sequels. These are my views, and I do not presume to speak for others. I chose to post this as a sole commentary on current events and have no intention of engaging in arguments or providing continued “Troll Bait.” As such, if you wish to disagree with my viewpoint, that is your right, of course. Simply know it will not result in a heated discussion, at least on my part.
     

Modifié par glenboy24, 04 avril 2011 - 12:57 .

[Horus Blackheart]

glenboy24 most of the ribbing on this thread centers some shockingly bad pr work more than a bad game. Do I hate mike? no I don't he comes across rather well when not doing black pr.

[goering]

[quote]glenboy24 wrote...

 You know, it’s rather heartbreaking that so many people feel the need to fill the empty void in their lives by attacking someone who did the best they could under trying and difficult circumstances to create and release a truly outstanding experience. Is it the greatest game of all time? Of course not, and that was never it’s intention. What Mike and the team set out to do was return us to the Universe of Dragon Age while improving upon all the elements portrayed in it’s original incarnation. Clearly, some feel that said original incarnation required little, if any, Improvements. I, however, among others who have posted similar views, beg to differ. As to who is the majority and who the minority in that regard is open to debate as one can find a myriad of views spread across not just the whole of the BSN, but other threads, forums, websites and so forth. But that is neither here nor there. 
  
What this thread originally set out to do was praise a talented game designer, and overall a solid human being, with a job well done, which he wholly deserves. Some people are not happy with the final product, and as Mike himself has even said that was to be expected given the changes. People are often not keen on change, a particular fact which has shown itself in glaring examples across the whole of Human History. While I’m not alluding to the possibility that the release of Dragon Age 2 harkens to those pivotal events, I am saying that it’s often far too easy to attack someone and place the blame for said unwanted change upon their shoulders rather then stand back and take stalk of what good was achieved. In this case that good was an improved artistic direction, control and game-play mechanics that were tailored to more then just the Baldur’s Gate crowd, and a rich character driven story. Do I expect everyone to agree with me on those points? Of course not. 
  
However, whether one agrees or not, making personal attacks or lambasting someone who tried to do the best, alongside others, he could do with what he was given smacks of a lack of even simple kindness and human courtesy. If you did not enjoy the changes to Dragon Age as a whole, then permit your wallet to speak for you; do not purchase the game, return it if you feel you must. or reframe from purchasing further forays into the DA Universe. But dedicating yourself to verbally (in a text based format) shredding a man for the sake of amusement who has done nothing to you and has only done a job that he loves to the best of his abilities smacks of outright cruelty. 
  
For what little my opinion is worth, especially as someone who has been unable, for financial reasons, to purchase the game, though has played it too completion, I feel Mike Laidlaw deserves a full compliment of accolades for what the fans received in Dragon Age 2; and, even if you feel the game was lackluster at best, for what he has been a part of as well as the long, likely grueling, months he tried to do seemingly the impossible, that being to create a sequel to one of the Greatest RPGs of all time, that was several years in the making, in only 18 months, he at least deserves a degree of Respect. I only hope these bewildering and unwarranted attacks against the game as a whole do not impede the future of this amazing Universe, nor prevent Mike from taking the reigns of any and all subsequent sequels. These are my views, and I do not presume to speak for others. I chose to post this as a sole commentary on current events and have no intention of engaging in arguments or providing continued “Troll Bait.” As such, if you wish to disagree with my viewpoint, that is your right, of course. Simply know it will not result in a heated discussion, at least on my part.
     
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I COMPLETELY AGREE !!!

LEAVE MIKE LAIDLAW ALONE !!!


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[cljqnsnyc]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

What the truly ironic thing is, is that the amusement you people get out of the "button = awesome" is just as repetitive as what you are making fun of.

I agree.

LEAVE MIKE LAIDLAW ALONE!

Here they come! Beware!

[Baelyn]

Melisenta wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

What the truly ironic thing is, is that the amusement you people get out of the "button = awesome" is just as repetitive as what you are making fun of.

Ah... Baelyn. See, I even recognize your profile name... And you know why? Because whenever new developement route, chosen for DA franshise by Laidlaw and Co., is critisized/made fun of - you're always there, with bitter comments, as though you were personally offended

That probably because I like the direction (as poorly as some things were implemented) and my opinions are just as valid as yours? My comments are never bitter because I have no bitterness whatsoever over this. I enjoyed the game, why be bitter?

The only problem I have is attacking someone over something you don't agree with. This thread was started (and necro'd) by people that genuinely wanted to show some appreciation. If you don't agree with that, then fine, but its hardly a nice thing to hijack the thread with spam images and pure bashing of a certain person just because they "ruined" a franchise you liked. If going against the majority of opinions on this board makes me a sheep then so be it, but that doesn't make alot of sense to me.

[AngelicMachinery]

I never suggested anything bad about Mister Laidlaw, sure, I mentioned Button=Awesome. That's kind of become synonymous with the guy. truthfully, I enjoy the AWESOME combat, most people don't. (I also want him to get working on an Exalted game, because damnit, if there is anything out there where Button=Awesome!!111!one! it's Exalted.)

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 04 avril 2011 - 01:43 .

[oldmansavage]

Don't just thank Mike, it takes a whole team working together to make a game this bad.

[Aedan_Cousland]

[Dridengx]

SleepySomnus wrote...

Just wanted to send some love your way, and say thanks for the game, and all around pleasantness you exude!! <3<3

he is very awesome and makes fantastic games. I even like how he presents himself infront of the camera in interviews and walkthroughs, very professional and adds just enough sense of humor

[Night Prowler76]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

What the truly ironic thing is, is that the amusement you people get out of the "button = awesome" is just as repetitive as what you are making fun of.

I agree.

LEAVE MIKE LAIDLAW ALONE!

Here they come! Beware!

There's gonna be a whole flock of em in here soon I reckon.

[Nonoru]

Mike is a really cool guy.I appreciate him a lot.

[cljqnsnyc]

You must have known they'd retaliate after having this lovefest hijacked by detractors. I'm not mad at them. But they must understand, Mike opened himself up to criticism after the comments he made in those interviews. You can't bash DAO and insult it's fans and not expect reprisals.

Honestly, I wonder why he is working on this franchise. The impression I got was that he wasn't a fan of DAO or rpgs in general. At least that's how his statements read as far as I'm concerned. He would probably excel as the lead on a pure action adventure game. Or better yet, DA:Exodus, as it was originally called should have been marketed as a side story or spin off. See if all the new ideas you have work in a sister story. Transforming an established game series into something so different from what gave us a series in the first place was a highly risky move. If it ain't broke......

For the most part I don't believe the fun this thread is having is mean spirited. It's just a case of taking priceless material (the famed awesome button) and milking it for all it's worth. After all, it's comic gold!

But who knows? Maybe Mike Awesome Laidlaw will silence all of us with truly awesome dlc? The ball is in his court.......

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 04 avril 2011 - 02:19 .

[Johnsen1972]

Nonoru wrote...

Mike is a really cool guy.I appreciate him a lot.

Me too, he is awesome!!!

I want him as LI in DA3 for Male and Female Hawke. (since he made all LI's homosexual in DA2)

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 04 avril 2011 - 02:16 .

[Baelyn]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

You must have known they'd retaliate after having this lovefest hijacked by detractors. I'm not mad at them. But they must understand, Mike opened himself up to criticism after the comments he made in those interviews. You can't bash DAO and insult it's fans and not expect reprisals.

Could provide quotes of him "bashing DA:O" and "insulting fans" ? I've asked for this several times, in several places where this same thing has been stated and never gotten a response.

[ad1dash0lm3s]

Mr. Laidlaw, you could get me to trade my car to you for gas money. You could make me buy anything!

[goering]

MR LAIDLAW, SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DRAGON AGE 2!

Modifié par goering, 04 avril 2011 - 02:28 .

[cljqnsnyc]

There are multiple threads on this topic that contain links to the interview. In one instance he is quoted as saying this in response to people like me having problems with DA2...

"It doesn't tell the usual fantasy story or present the usual fantasy combat, and in doing so it does run the risk of someone going, "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it."

Translation...I'm old and outdated and lack the ability to deal with change. That's an insult!

Oh come on! Are you going to act as if you've never heard about his comments in those interviews? I find that very hard to believe for someone so quick to challange my statement.  Do you think we're all imagining such things weren't said?  Are we making it up? By now you must have read the interviews so why would you bother asking me for quotes? 
 

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 04 avril 2011 - 02:48 .

[Mrbananagrabber]

glenboy24 wrote...

 You know, it’s rather heartbreaking that so many people feel the need to fill the empty void in their lives by attacking someone who did the best they could under trying and difficult circumstances to create and release a truly outstanding experience. Is it the greatest game of all time? Of course not, and that was never it’s intention. What Mike and the team set out to do was return us to the Universe of Dragon Age while improving upon all the elements portrayed in it’s original incarnation. Clearly, some feel that said original incarnation required little, if any, Improvements. I, however, among others who have posted similar views, beg to differ. As to who is the majority and who the minority in that regard is open to debate as one can find a myriad of views spread across not just the whole of the BSN, but other threads, forums, websites and so forth. But that is neither here nor there. 
  
What this thread originally set out to do was praise a talented game designer, and overall a solid human being, with a job well done, which he wholly deserves. Some people are not happy with the final product, and as Mike himself has even said that was to be expected given the changes. People are often not keen on change, a particular fact which has shown itself in glaring examples across the whole of Human History. While I’m not alluding to the possibility that the release of Dragon Age 2 harkens to those pivotal events, I am saying that it’s often far too easy to attack someone and place the blame for said unwanted change upon their shoulders rather then stand back and take stalk of what good was achieved. In this case that good was an improved artistic direction, control and game-play mechanics that were tailored to more then just the Baldur’s Gate crowd, and a rich character driven story. Do I expect everyone to agree with me on those points? Of course not. 
  
However, whether one agrees or not, making personal attacks or lambasting someone who tried to do the best, alongside others, he could do with what he was given smacks of a lack of even simple kindness and human courtesy. If you did not enjoy the changes to Dragon Age as a whole, then permit your wallet to speak for you; do not purchase the game, return it if you feel you must. or reframe from purchasing further forays into the DA Universe. But dedicating yourself to verbally (in a text based format) shredding a man for the sake of amusement who has done nothing to you and has only done a job that he loves to the best of his abilities smacks of outright cruelty. 
  
For what little my opinion is worth, especially as someone who has been unable, for financial reasons, to purchase the game, though has played it too completion, I feel Mike Laidlaw deserves a full compliment of accolades for what the fans received in Dragon Age 2; and, even if you feel the game was lackluster at best, for what he has been a part of as well as the long, likely grueling, months he tried to do seemingly the impossible, that being to create a sequel to one of the Greatest RPGs of all time, that was several years in the making, in only 18 months, he at least deserves a degree of Respect. I only hope these bewildering and unwarranted attacks against the game as a whole do not impede the future of this amazing Universe, nor prevent Mike from taking the reigns of any and all subsequent sequels. These are my views, and I do not presume to speak for others. I chose to post this as a sole commentary on current events and have no intention of engaging in arguments or providing continued “Troll Bait.” As such, if you wish to disagree with my viewpoint, that is your right, of course. Simply know it will not result in a heated discussion, at least on my part.
     

May I suggest changing your name from Glenboy to Fanboy? I stopped reading after the first half, my eyes were getting tired. And no he didn't try to do better than DA:O, he just set his sight on really, really low standards and wanted to make some easy money.

Too bad you can't open your eyes sheep, people like you taking any and all BS corporations give them  are the reason why DLCs and crappy 60$ games are so common nowadays.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Mike is a really cool guy.I appreciate him a lot.

Me too, he is awesome!!!

I want him as LI in DA3 for Male and Female Hawke. (since he made all LI's homosexual in DA2)

[Baelyn]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

There are multiple threads on this topic that contain links to the interview. In one instance he is quoted as saying this in response to people like me having problems with DA2...

"It doesn't tell the usual fantasy story or present the usual fantasy combat, and in doing so it does run the risk of someone going, "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it."

Translation...I'm old and outdated and lack the ability to deal with change. That's an insult!

Oh come on! Are you going to act as if you've never heard about his comments in those interviews? I find that very hard to believe for someone so quick to challange my comments.
 

For more...read the interview.

Oh I am very familiar with those threads...and interviews. Posted in several of them and was never given any response when asking where he was actually commiting the travesty that people make him out to be commiting. I on the other hand posted a very large response in providing quotes where he says quite the oppoiste (that they are taking feedback seriously...that DA2 is not perfect...that they are going to go back to equipping companions, hence listening to the feedback....etc...Ill post it here if I can find it.)

Even the one example you posted is a prime example in my opinion of reading way too much into what he is saying. Could it have been said a little differently? I think so. But its hardly an insult. People are angry and want someone to crucify for this "travesty" that is a video game.

[neppakyo]

Jesus Christ. This is worst than all the hate threads combined.

Its like everyone is wanting to get tea-bagged by Mike. While he may be a super duper nice guy outside of bioware, his PR capabilities are atrocious! And his role of Lead dev are also lackluster. You don't take a triple A title, and decide to do a 180 turn on what made the first game great in such a short development period. Tweak, improve yes..

Gah.. this thread makes me want to kick puppies and push old ladies in front of buses.

[goering]

Baelyn wrote...
 
I on the other hand posted a very large response in providing quotes where he says quite the oppoiste (that they are taking feedback seriously...that DA2 is not perfect...that they are going to go back to equipping companions, hence listening to the feedback....etc...Ill post it here if I can find it.)

Even the one example you posted is a prime example in my opinion of reading way too much into what he is saying. Could it have been said a little differently? I think so. But its hardly an insult. People are angry and want someone to crucify for this "travesty" that is a video game.

if bw wants feedback, here's some feedback.





now bw, feed us back.  

[goering]

neppakyo wrote...

Jesus Christ. This is worst than all the hate threads combined.

Its like everyone is wanting to get tea-bagged by Mike. While he may be a super duper nice guy outside of bioware, his PR capabilities are atrocious! And his role of Lead dev are also lackluster. You don't take a triple A title, and decide to do a 180 turn on what made the first game great in such a short development period. Tweak, improve yes..

Gah.. this thread makes me want to kick puppies and push old ladies in front of buses.

hur hur ... there's someone who posted first without reading. 
love this thread!
<3

Modifié par goering, 04 avril 2011 - 02:55 .

[Johnsen1972]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Mike is a really cool guy.I appreciate him a lot.

Me too, he is awesome!!!

I want him as LI in DA3 for Male and Female Hawke. (since he made all LI's homosexual in DA2)

   lol

[Johnsen1972]

ok it was fun guys, Im going to take a nap. Keep this thread full of love for Mike Laidlawl or it will be closed


Love for Mr. Laidlawl.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 04 avril 2011 - 03:02 .