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[sigma_draconis]

Bioware have done well in establishing a credible galaxy wide threat with the Reapers. But the problem with building up such a powerful enemy is that you need to establish something equally as powerful to be able to defeat it that would make for a convincing victory. With what we have right now, it just does not seem probable because:

1. Shepard at best is maybe one of the more powerful biotic/tech/soldier in the galaxy, which doesn't mean much when you're up against living ships that can withstand fire from a whole fleet. Even using everything at his/her disposal, it would hardly make a dent in any Reaper. Unless Shepard gets some sort of big upgrade (which is very hard to do in a way that is reasonable), I just can't see the player actively fighting Reapers in ME3.

2. The strength and numbers of the Reapers is just overwhelming. As we all seen what Sovereign can do against the bulk of the Citadel and Alliance fleet, it would've already been a challenge to defeat a few Reapers. but from what we've seen in the ME2 ending, and from the Reaper corpse dating back 37 million years, the Reapers number at least around 700+. This is a number that not even the galaxy's combined strength can match.
  So unless the game comes out and say that the other Reapers are nowhere near Sovereign's strength (which is possible, but it would greatly reduce the Reaper's threat factor) or the galaxy somehow gained a new powerful technology, I just can't see defeating them as possible at all.

[4yan3ric]

And that means what exactly? Did you see the Collectors as being Protheans or the Reapers being made from organic goo, did you even see Sovereign as a Reaper? I assure they came up with something

Modifié par 4yan3ric, 06 mars 2011 - 12:39 .

[arial]

I honestly think the victory will come from EDI,

when the SR2 was equipped with the reaper IFF, it added a virus that as we all know gave there location to the collectors who then kidnapped the crew.

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

not really a climactic defeat, but i think it will happen like that

[sigma_draconis]

4yan3ric wrote...

And that means what exactly? Did you see
the Collectors as being Protheans or the Reapers being made from
organic goo, did you even see Sovereign as a Reaper? I assure they came
up with something

I'm not saying they can't come up with something I'm just saying that it will be hard to come up with something that sounds reasonable or plausible. Something that isn't say a new Death Star type of weapon or Shepard gaining God mode.

Modifié par sigma_draconis, 06 mars 2011 - 12:47 .

[Zaxares]

My personal theory is that the Reapers have to cannibalise many of their own kind to obtain raw materials and eezo, which they use to construct a new mass relay out in dark space that they use to travel back to the Milky Way. This not only explains how they managed to arrive back in the galaxy so quickly, but why their numbers would be reduced enough to give the Council races a fighting chance. (It may also be that the jury-rigged mass relay is unstable and breaks down after only sending a handful of Reapers through, so the several dozen/few hundred Reapers that make it through have to recapture the Citadel and re-open the old relay to dark space.)

[Jzadek72]

Mass Relay. Hunk of metal. Right into the Reapers.
The collectors had the IFF that made the Omega Relay really accurate, right? If we can use that, we'll have a weapon that makes the Thanix cannon looks like a pea-shooter.

[ADLegend21]

Find reaper avatar's and kill them,this weakens the reapers and they're easy pickings. that's how Shepard killed Sovereign. saren was his avatar and whne he was dead Sovereign was open to getting one shotted by the Normandy after eating blasts from much bigger ships.

[J. Finley]

I'm confident in Bioware's ability to come up with something exciting.

[Captain Crash]

arial wrote...

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

I would be really sad if the end of ME3 resembled Independance Day...

[Mark B]

arial - Isn't that Independance Day? If a laughing skull appears at any point in ME3 I will want my money back and recompense for all the hour I've wasted only to be let down by a bad Dean Devlin/Roland Emmerich piece of sh.....

Zaxares - Problem there is they already have a mass relay - it's what was on the other end of the citadel relay. I would also assume that since this route was cut off in ME1 they started moving then so a minimum of 2 years which is still not given the distance involved - if it was such a short time why use the citadel relay? Something to do with resources I suppose, Some device will have to be used to either explain their arrival or increase it's speed.

As for killing them my guess would be some sort of reaper origin story / ancient race almost accomplished it and would have too if only they'd had Sheps insight - maybe the guys who messed up that derelict reaper. Whichever way they decide to go though, I trust Bioware to come up with something that's at least a good game while having some original take on the insurmountable odds overcome schtick.

[arial]

Mark B wrote...

arial - Isn't that Independance Day? If a laughing skull appears at any point in ME3 I will want my money back and recompense for all the hour I've wasted only to be let down by a bad Dean Devlin/Roland Emmerich piece of sh.....

ohh wow, it is isnt it?

now why would i be thinking of that movie? i hated it...

[LTBK]

Among what the others have said, you can count too on the migrant fleet (bigger fleet on citadel's space), the geth (even bigger fleet), the rachni (even BIGGER fleet?) and perhaps the krogan. That, and the council's races combined fleet, sounds like an army to me (paraphrasing Flemeth, I know xD). Considering that the Reapers manipulated several of those races to fight between them for "some" reason (I hear fear), I think that they can have a chance in the big fight together.

[Callidus Thorn]

I don't think it was fear that made the Reapers manipulate several races into wars, I think it was control. The entire Reaper strategy is based around controlling the development of other races by giving them shortcuts, like the mass relays and the Citadels. The Rachni presumably were developing along a different path, which the Reapers couldn't predict, and could therefore potentially pose a threat, and so they had to use a different approach to eliminate the possible threat, without revealing their presence.

[LTBK]

That's what I meant. It was something that they didn't predicted and that was a possible threat, so they were afraid of what could happen if they didn't do something to make things back to what they were comfortable with. I don't really think that reapers understand fear in the same way that we do, but you get my point

[Volus Warlord]

Captain Crash wrote...

arial wrote...

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

I would be really sad if the end of ME3 resembled Independance Day...

Me too. Shoot the Coke Can!

[Rekkampum]

Captain Crash wrote...

arial wrote...

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

I would be really sad if the end of ME3 resembled Independance Day...

You couldn't tell? This is so going to be just like any other summer sci-fi flick we've seen. Unless they throw in the "beings of light" or some other uber powerful technology.

[I will kill you both]

Rekkampum wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

arial wrote...

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

I would be really sad if the end of ME3 resembled Independance Day...

You couldn't tell? This is so going to be just like any other summer sci-fi flick we've seen. Unless they throw in the "beings of light" or some other uber powerful technology.

I'd break my ME 1 and 2 discs in HALF if they ever did that.

[ZLurps]

Humankind will doom itself to doom when rejecting the possibility Reapers has opened to mankind. In the end man kind will lose if Shepard wins against Reapers. I think the best final decision would be making a deal with Reapers. Live long, be young forever, long live the the Husks!

[Mulluns]

My only fear is that the Reapers will do what Sovereign did: Possess a body that is heavily indoctrinated to the Reapers. Once the body is destoryed, the main Reaper body seems to weaken.

Hopefully that will NOT happen.

Modifié par Mulluns, 06 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[Pwener2313]

You get this if you keep the Collector Base.

[KenKenpachi]

Pwener2313 wrote...

You get this if you keep the Collector Base.

Hmm the saying too big to fail comes to mind when I see this...

Also lets hope the Reapers have no farm boy pilots.

[Sajuro]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

You get this if you keep the Collector Base.

Hmm the saying too big to fail comes to mind when I see this...

Also lets hope the Reapers have no farm boy pilots.

or at least put a metal chasis of some kind over the vent.

[StarGateGod]

Goku could beat the reapers

[Nebuyl]

StarGateGod wrote...

Goku could beat the reapers

I don't think the Reapers have much patience for a Kamehameha.

I mean, seriously, the damn thing takes like 10 hours for it to power up. Within that time, everybody would be dead, and the Reapers would be back in dark space, hibernating.

Modifié par Nebuyl, 06 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Mulluns wrote...

My only fear is that the Reapers will do what Sovereign did: Possess a body that is heavily indoctrinated to the Reapers. Once the body is destoryed, the main Reaper body seems to weaken.

Hopefully that will NOT happen.

Now see, that's weird, because I've always assumed that the only reason Sovereign possessed Saren was because his Reaper form was in danger of getting its ass handed to it by the Fifth Fleet. Did I miss an explanatory paragraph somewhere?

As for the 'no plausible way'... I can think of several ways it might go down

1. The Overwhelming Force option: Not the best option, but I have the feeling that if you collected EVERYbody (Rachni, Krogan, Asari, Turian, Human, ETC) and just threw them bodily at the Reapers, we could actually do a significant amount of damage, maybe even take them all down. The conditions would have to be right -- or maybe you could stage guerilla attacks and pick 'em off one-by-one -- but it could be done. 

2. Infiltrations: We already know that Reapers have innards that can be boarded, and that those innards go all the way to the Reaper's Mass Effect core (Remember the 'retrieve the IFF mission?) Gather enough commando units (Salarian STG, Spectres, Asari Commandos, etc) and get them onto the Reapers, and you could conceivably fight your way through to the core and blow them bugs the f*ck up from the inside. This one seems more likely to me since the ME series has always focused on squad-based warfare. 

3. Upgraded Technology. We know that Cerberus found a weapon that one-shotted a Reaper (The one we got the IFF from), that could potentially be reverse-engineered or current weapons could be upgraded from what was found there to give the space-faring fleets enough punch to get through a Reaper's shields. 

4. EDI goes Skynet on their asses. We know that our friendly Artificial Intelligence is equipped with Reaper anti-viral (and presumably viral) weapons and programs; I could easily see a scenario where EDI links all the ships in your fleets together and uses the combined processing power (which I will now call the 'fleetmind') to brute-force the Reaper's systems and maybe befuddle them enough for the fleets to launch a massive attack. 

So there's four possible routes for Bioware to take right there. And between you and me, those guys writing this are way more clever at coming up with good plots than I am. So yeah, I'm willing to bet they have it covered. 

Modifié par Gentleman Moogle, 06 mars 2011 - 04:51 .