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[Nebuyl]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Mulluns wrote...

My only fear is that the Reapers will do what Sovereign did: Possess a body that is heavily indoctrinated to the Reapers. Once the body is destoryed, the main Reaper body seems to weaken.

Hopefully that will NOT happen.

Now see, that's weird, because I've always assumed that the only reason Sovereign possessed Saren was because his Reaper form was in danger of getting its ass handed to it by the Fifth Fleet. Did I miss an explanatory paragraph somewhere?

As for the 'no plausible way'... I can think of several ways it might go down

1. The Overwhelming Force option: Not the best option, but I have the feeling that if you collected EVERYbody (Rachni, Krogan, Asari, Turian, Human, ETC) and just threw them bodily at the Reapers, we could actually do a significant amount of damage, maybe even take them all down. The conditions would have to be right -- or maybe you could stage guerilla attacks and pick 'em off one-by-one -- but it could be done. 

2. Infiltrations: We already know that Reapers have innards that can be boarded, and that those innards go all the way to the Reaper's Mass Effect core (Remember the 'retrieve the IFF mission?) Gather enough commando units (Salarian STG, Spectres, Asari Commandos, etc) and get them onto the Reapers, and you could conceivably fight your way through to the core and blow them bugs the f*ck up from the inside. This one seems more likely to me since the ME series has always focused on squad-based warfare. 

3. Upgraded Technology. We know that Cerberus found a weapon that one-shotted a Reaper (The one we got the IFF from), that could potentially be reverse-engineered or current weapons could be upgraded from what was found there to give the space-faring fleets enough punch to get through a Reaper's shields. 

4. EDI goes Skynet on their asses. We know that our friendly Artificial Intelligence is equipped with Reaper anti-viral (and presumably viral) weapons and programs; I could easily see a scenario where EDI links all the ships in your fleets together and uses the combined processing power (which I will now call the 'fleetmind') to brute-force the Reaper's systems and maybe befuddle them enough for the fleets to launch a massive attack. 

5. A lot of goddamn nukes. A LOT.

[Prince of Kemet]

arial wrote...

I honestly think the victory will come from EDI,

when the SR2 was equipped with the reaper IFF, it added a virus that as we all know gave there location to the collectors who then kidnapped the crew.

i remember hearing somewhere that EDI was equipped with anti-reaper algorithms. i believe EDI will modify that virus, and shepard will have to infiltrate and insert the virus on the reaper flagship (if there is one).

not really a climactic defeat, but i think it will happen like that

You mean like Independence Day?

[DxWill10]

DEUS EX MACHINA

[Avalon Aurora]

Import a save, if you saved the Rachni, saved the Council, saved the collector base, saved the genophage cure, converted the heretic Geth, kept Wrex alive, and kept all your ME2 team alive and loyal, the galaxy will ban together and help fight the reapers. You'll get a bunch of missions to help them out by hunting down indoctrinated and controlled agents and infiltrating some of the reapers to blow them up or steal intel and tech from them, and save your allies in various ways a bunch of times.

If you didn't gather all these allies, the Reapers will screw everyone over in space combat and inflict heavy losses on various worlds, and the game will be much harder and more tragic.

Finally, towards the end, you'll discover some way to create/activate some kind of massive anti-reaper weapon, such as super EDI virus or some kind of variant on the Halo or the Dakara weapons platform that kills all the Reapers in the galaxy, but leaves purely organic and purely synthetic life-forms intact, which you'll have to gather the scientists and parts for then beat the final boss that assaults it trying to destroy it before you can finish activating it.

[Mark B]

Just a couple of thoughts; to wipe out the Prometheans (and standard practice for their cullings), the Reapers turned of the Mass Relay network keeping the opposing forces isolated - was a concerted effort by the oppositions fleet a concern?
Maybe Sovereign as the vanguard of the invasion force was one of the badder Reapers?

[MajorStranger]

Pwener2313 wrote...

You get this if you keep the Collector Base.

Last time I checked this happened:

[282xvl]

If they do independence day I am declaring a revolution. There will be a guillotine in every town and heads will be rolling all over everywhere. You will have difficulty walking out your door without tripping over a severed head.

[Smeelia]

Mark B wrote...

Zaxares - Problem there is they already have a mass relay - it's what was on the other end of the citadel relay. I would also assume that since this route was cut off in ME1 they started moving then so a minimum of 2 years which is still not given the distance involved - if it was such a short time why use the citadel relay? Something to do with resources I suppose, Some device will have to be used to either explain their arrival or increase it's speed.

They wanted to use the Citadel relay because it delivered them into the most strategic position in the galaxy right away and from the Citadel they could control the entire relay network (meaning they only had to deal with enemy forces in their own time and could leave them without support).

They could have had a backup relay close to the galaxy so they could arrive without the Citadel if that plan failed but losing the strategic position is still a significant problem.  They could also have just been hanging around not too far out, they know the relay network and could start opening relays from an edge of the galaxy once they arrive so they wouldn't have to fly all the way to the Citadel.

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Mulluns wrote...

My only fear is that the Reapers will do what Sovereign did: Possess a body that is heavily indoctrinated to the Reapers. Once the body is destoryed, the main Reaper body seems to weaken.

Hopefully that will NOT happen.

Now see, that's weird, because I've always assumed that the only reason Sovereign possessed Saren was because his Reaper form was in danger of getting its ass handed to it by the Fifth Fleet. Did I miss an explanatory paragraph somewhere?

I wonder about that myself, I don't think it's ever explicitly stated that killing Saren dropped Sovereign's shields and the barrage that Sovereign was taking could well have been the cause.  The most effective shields you can get on the Normandy SR-2 are designed to be far more resistant to incoming fire but after some time they lose their effectiveness, perhaps Reapers have a similar design that just lasts much longer.

Sovereign was tough to take out but as I understand it the Fifth Fleet is just a part of the Alliance Navy (maybe around a quarter or less) and the forces around the Citadel was only a small portion of the entire Citadel Fleet (the rest being deployed around the relay network).  The Destiny Ascension is the biggest dreadnought but it didn't get to use it's main gun as far as we can tell and was quickly swarmed by Geth ships in the attack so we don't know how well a Reaper would take heavier fire.

Fighting the Reapers in open space with as many ships as possible could well be successful (especially if you have extra allies and/or tech from your decisions), the complete Alliance Navy is much bigger than the Fifth Fleet alone, the Salarian, Asari and Turian fleets are much bigger than the Alliance Navy (with each being larger than the last) and the Citadel Fleet is large enough to defend most of the council owned relay network (although it's not clear if these are extra ships or simply drawn from member navies).

Some sort of trap could also work, we know Dark Energy can cause a star to age incredibly rapidly so if we could get all of the Reapers (or as many as possible) into one system and trap them there (blow up/disable the relays maybe) then we could perhaps get the sun to go supernova and take them all out using Dark Energy (now that would probably be a Suicide Mission that no one comes back from).

Modifié par Smeelia, 06 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Callidus Thorn]

Mark B wrote...

Just a couple of thoughts; to wipe out the Prometheans (and standard practice for their cullings), the Reapers turned of the Mass Relay network keeping the opposing forces isolated - was a concerted effort by the oppositions fleet a concern?
Maybe Sovereign as the vanguard of the invasion force was one of the badder Reapers?

Shutting down the mass relays was probably a matter of efficiency. Being able to bring overwhelming force to bear shortens confrontations, and significantly cuts down on potential risk, and preventing them from leaving the area they're in saves having to chase them down.

I doubt Sovereign was more powerful than any other Reaper purely because It's mission didn't require it. Sovereign wasn't supposed to fight off any defenders alone, it was supposed to remain undetected, watch the growth of the various races, then send the signal to open the relay in the citadel and bring in the rest of the Reapers. Because the Protheans had prevented the citadel relay being activated by remote, Sovereign had to change tactics, using the Geth and Saren.

[Sinapus]

Callidus Thorn wrote...

Mark B wrote...

Just a couple of thoughts; to wipe out the Prometheans (and standard practice for their cullings), the Reapers turned of the Mass Relay network keeping the opposing forces isolated - was a concerted effort by the oppositions fleet a concern?
Maybe Sovereign as the vanguard of the invasion force was one of the badder Reapers?

Shutting down the mass relays was probably a matter of efficiency. Being able to bring overwhelming force to bear shortens confrontations, and significantly cuts down on potential risk, and preventing them from leaving the area they're in saves having to chase them down.

I doubt Sovereign was more powerful than any other Reaper purely because It's mission didn't require it. Sovereign wasn't supposed to fight off any defenders alone, it was supposed to remain undetected, watch the growth of the various races, then send the signal to open the relay in the citadel and bring in the rest of the Reapers. Because the Protheans had prevented the citadel relay being activated by remote, Sovereign had to change tactics, using the Geth and Saren.

It's possible that method (hit the Citadel then take out every system one by one) has actually worked for millions of years and this is the first time someone's managed to thwart it, forcing the Reapers to use backup plan which might be riskier for them.

Badly in need of sleep so I think I'll stop that before I make my usual suggestion (Bolos!) for stopping the Reapers or start throwing in things like the Fleetmind or a dance competition between Shepard and Harbinger. All three exist in different universes and are completely impossible in Mass Effect. Yes, even if Techno Turian subjects Shepard to a training montage

[Tilarta]

Well, my theory is that if the Reapers don't act to eliminate the organic races at a specific time, they run the risk of those species developing technologically to a level where they can and will threaten the Reapers.

The Protheans had taken that first step by being the first race to learn how to create mass relays where none of their predecessors had.
They also knew enough about Reaper programming and technology to alter the control codes in the Citadel to cut the Keepers' connection to the Reapers.

And then there's the Prothean Beacon data, which is presumably still stored within Shepherd.
During Mass Effect 2, there is a mission where a Prothean data device "updates" the beacon data with "new" information. It could also have restored the beacon data if any of it was lost due to Shepherd's temporary death.
In time, Shepherd could learn to access more of the beacon data.
Who knows what secrets of the Reapers that data was holding?

And then there's the Prothean data sphere recovered from the Firewalker team.
The data burst could lead you to a Prothean facility with exciting new technologies and contain new technological data.

Then there's the Asari Silaris armor and the Quarian Cyclonic barrier technology, which makes ships tough enough to endure battles with Collector ships.

And now we get to the fun part, guns, guns and bigger guns! 

Because Soveriegn was destroyed, the Turians salvaged his weapons from the debris field and learned how to duplicate it, creating the Thanix ship weapon.
Assuming the shields of a Collector ship were comparable to that of a Reaper, the first shot from the Thanix cannon will punch through these shields, the second shot will destroy the ship.
If the Turians installed the Thanix weapon on enough ships, the Reapers would indeed be at a disadvantage, essentially they'd be torn apart by ships too small and fast to target.

And then we have the Reaper killer gun.
It's a large mass effect accelerator that fires a giant heavy weight (think mountain size) of dense metal at incredibly fast speeds.
This one is too large to install on ships, but if you built them on planets, it is actually a threat in of itself.
Although no-one knows what happened to the creators of this weapon, the fact that it wasn't destroyed by the Reapers is a hint that the planet it was on was never attacked by them.
The first (and only!) time it was fired, the projectile passed right through a Reaper (killing said Reaper in the process), kept on going and eventually impacted with a planet behind the Reaper, creating a massive crater on the planet's surface.
Cerberus is currently studying this weapon with a view to activating and duplicating it to use against the Reapers.

It looks like several projects are actively being researched, preparing for the Reapers' inevitable return.
Although, so far, only the Rachni (if you saved them (I did!)) and Cerberus are preparing for that encounter.

And the Alliance could have some secret operations in effect, because we see David Anderson speaking with a Cerberus agent, so who knows what information he was acquiring as proof of the Reapers.
Then we also have Kahlee Sanders, who resigned from the Jon Grissom Academy to head up a research project focussing on the Reapers. She could also be working with David, because he mentioned wanting to be with her and what better way then to get involved with the project? He also talks about heading up the military branch of this project or at least, becoming the main military backer.

The Shadow Broker was also aware of the Reapers and he was preparing some undisclosed projects to deal with them when the time comes.
Considering Liara took his position and stated she is using his organization to prepare for the fight, she could be priotioritizing these projects to get ready for the coming battle.

So, in conclusion, I don't think the Reapers are going to have it so easy as they did before.
We have better technologies then their previous victims and are also prepared for the threat, because unlike the others, we know the Reapers are coming.

[MasterofMunchaster]

The way I see it, Shepard will promise salvation to a ghost army which then kills all reapers without a problem

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I have a few ideas what about we lure them too a empty nebula and the geth make the star go supernova, or possibly engineer a part synthetic part organic virus? Maybe Shepard has too discover that rumored race called the creators and convince them too provide assistance? Cant wait too find out!

[spernus]

I think Bioware has written themselves into a corner with the storyline.Whatever route they choose to go with,I expect a lot of disappointment over the conclusion (truth be told,it just doesn't make sense to have rather young species going against a type 4 civilization).There's going to be a retcon or Deus Ex machina in there.

Doesn't really matter as I'm mostly there for what should be the most solid game in the trilogy from a gameplay standpoint.

[Samwell]

1) Activate Citadel Mass Relay.

2) Close Citadel arms.

3) Salvage whatever is left.

4) Run around wearing spare Reaper parts. Spook the **** out of everyone.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I think all of you guys are forgetting that Shepard builds his entire career on performing the impossible.......

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I think you guys are forgetting that Shepard builds his/her entire career on performing the impossible, the collector base raid or the assault on illos, or killing sovergein and saren wasn't exactly doable too anybody else. Sorry for the other post femshep fans!

[Volus Warlord]

RETCON!

I hope it doesn't come to that ^^

[N7Infernox]

1) find a way to bypass reapers shields
2) find critical hit point to drive core
3) amass a giagantic fleet
4)????
5) Profit!

Either that or something related to Normandy tech upgrades, mass relays, indoctrination, Haelstrom's sun, Ardat-Yakshi mating, Cerberus, Kepral's Syndrome, dark energy, the genophage, romance, beings of light, the protheans, or Shepard simply being awesome.

Modifié par N7Infernox, 06 mars 2011 - 04:09 .

[Volus Warlord]

N7Infernox wrote...

1) find a way to bypass reapers shields
2) find critical hit point to drive core
3) amass a giagantic fleet
4)????
5) Profit!

Either that or something related to Normandy tech upgrades, mass relays, Haelstrom's sun, Ardat-Yakshi mating, Kepral's Syndrome, dark energy, the genophage, beings of light, the protheans, or Shepard simply being awesome.

Morinth!

Morinth will nail the Reapers and annihilate them in the process!

[Naughty Bear]

StarGateGod wrote...

Goku could beat the reapers

You can use Goku's pubes as ammo, seeing as his hair goes gold and spiky when he goes super something, im sure his pubes can kill someone.

Pubes should also be used as currency.

[biotic prodigy]

"Mass Relay. Hunk of metal. Right into the Reapers.
The collectors had the IFF that made the Omega Relay really accurate, right? If we can use that, we'll have a weapon that makes the Thanix cannon looks like a pea-shooter."

This.
Pack a ship full of explosives, shoot it through a mass relay and the reapers are gonna be soiling their giant metal pants in no time.

[timj2011]

www.fanfiction.net/s/6204609/46/Awakening 

just read the last 10 chapters of this

[LordShrike]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

"Now see, that's weird, because I've always assumed that the only reason Sovereign possessed Saren was because his Reaper form was in danger of getting its ass handed to it by the Fifth Fleet. Did I miss an explanatory paragraph somewhere?
(oneway to look at it. the other is that was the only way Sov could do anything to Shep in the first place. He was a 2km ship after all, damaging the tower would have damaged the control panel thingy..)
As for the 'no plausible way'... I can think of several ways it might go down

1. The Overwhelming Force option: Not the best option, but I have the feeling that if you collected EVERYbody (Rachni, Krogan, Asari, Turian, Human, ETC) and just threw them bodily at the Reapers, we could actually do a significant amount of damage, maybe even take them all down. The conditions would have to be right -- or maybe you could stage guerilla attacks and pick 'em off one-by-one -- but it could be done.

2. Infiltrations: We already know that Reapers have innards that can be boarded, and that those innards go all the way to the Reaper's Mass Effect core (Remember the 'retrieve the IFF mission?) Gather enough commando units (Salarian STG, Spectres, Asari Commandos, etc) and get them onto the Reapers, and you could conceivably fight your way through to the core and blow them bugs the f*ck up from the inside. This one seems more likely to me since the ME series has always focused on squad-based warfare.

3. Upgraded Technology. We know that Cerberus found a weapon that one-shotted a Reaper (The one we got the IFF from), that could potentially be reverse-engineered or current weapons could be upgraded from what was found there to give the space-faring fleets enough punch to get through a Reaper's shields.

4. EDI goes Skynet on their asses. We know that our friendly Artificial Intelligence is equipped with Reaper anti-viral (and presumably viral) weapons and programs; I could easily see a scenario where EDI links all the ships in your fleets together and uses the combined processing power (which I will now call the 'fleetmind') to brute-force the Reaper's systems and maybe befuddle them enough for the fleets to launch a massive attack."

1st: Lot of bodies is what you get... And not even a single kill. Oh, please.. Guerilla tactics? Reapers were built for supremacy in those kinds of situations

2nd: Living ships... Even the dead one was filled with husks, do you really think they would not have anti boarding deterrents? And getting inside one would be nigh impossible.

3rd: That gun was BIG, not something that could be moved with ease, if at all. And that one shot was pure luck. Upgrading guns don't help if your life expectancy is .3secs for a DN.

4th: ... Yes, a network of VIs is more powerful than networking AIs, Of course. It's the Reapers who brute force EDIs network and put viruses in the Council ships systems.

Supernova'ing a star wont work since it's too obvious trap.(were it even possible in short timescale.)
SR-2 upgrades are too expensive for wide scale use.(and they ain't that helpful.)
Comparing collector vessel to a Reaper is folly. Stop doing it, please.
Deus Ex Machina is something i don't wish to consider, since it requires no actual tought process to think up one more. (magnets.) So s#### DEM.

Tough one to be sure. IF there is even a way to do it. Maybe one or two, but all of them? No way. Not that i particulary mind it... Becoming a 2km DN might even be considered "fun".

[Beerfish]

The Reapers are weakened due to the delay in the last harvest. (Sovereign being blown up and perhaps them having to travel not via their shortcut conduit.)

Shepherd and the known races do the only thing that can defeat them, destory all the mass effect relays thus trapping the reapers from going back to dark space....and of course setting back intergalatic travel.