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[kamal_]

I demand a tarrasque! And a "I brought braces!" dialog option when confronting it!

[Dorateen]

Chaos Wielder wrote...

You wouldn't give a jellyfish a robe and call it an Illithid.

I am so stealing that and using it as a dialogue option for a wise-cracking chaotic alignment PC.

Harumph!

[Dann-J]

The tarrasque is sometimes illustrated as an upright biped. What about taking the wings off one of the demon models, and scaling the crap out of it? At least you would get those characteristic horns.

[Eguintir Eligard]

Do we even have to remove the wings? Most wing models are their own "wing" option in the game, so you simply choose none.

[Dann-J]

Eguintir Eligard wrote...

Do we even have to remove the wings? Most wing models are their own "wing" option in the game, so you simply choose none.

Indeed - but you always have to check there isn't a couple of gaping holes left in the back. I've used a wingless balor model before, and luckily the back has polygons under the wing connection points. I'm not so sure about some of the other demon models though.

The only downside to the balor model is that it lacks a tail. A scaled-down dragon tail might work, but that would involve cloning and rescaling one of the tail models (and hoping that it doesn't screw up the way it animates, which I think it almost certainly would). The MDB Manipulation Tool on the NWVault might do the trick, if someone wants to experiment. The model would probably have to be shifted along one of the axes as well (unless scaling it down also moved it inwards far enough to close the gap, and kiss some balor butt).

Modifié par DannJ, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:09 .

[Eguintir Eligard]

none of the models have "holes" it wouldnt make any sense it takes more work to make them

[The Fred]

Yeah they do. I think the gargoyle does, anyway.

That actually looks like it could work. Without the flames and the giant wings, and maybe with a re-skin (and reskinning is relatively easy compared with modelling) it would look OK. It would probably still be noticable as what it was, though, so it might look a tad cheapskate, but beggars can't be chosers.

Personally I think we should keep going as if Mr T is in, and if it turns out he isn't... well, it'd make a nice plot twist. Wow, after collecting the 729 pieces of the Rod of Tarrasque-slaying, it turns out it was just a Miniature Giant Space Hamster all along...

[nicethugbert]

The dire boar model is entirely in keeping with a burrow sheltering, land based creature that eats everything. Just put a reptilian skin on it, change the height/width/length ratios to something more reptilian(4/2/1 works well), and you have your hibernation, regeneration, and monstrousity angle covered. Then the creature is complete.

The Tarrasque is not a D&D invention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque. D&D merely gave it an interpretation.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:15 .

[The Fred]

According to that, it's more like a dragon than anything else, then.

[Hellfire_RWS]

nicethugbert wrote...

The dire boar model is entirely in keeping with a burrow sheltering, land based creature that eats everything. Just put a reptilian skin on it, change the height/width/length ratios to something more reptilian(4/2/1 works well), and you have your hibernation, regeneration, and monstrousity angle covered. Then the creature is complete.

The Tarrasque is not a D&D invention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque. D&D merely gave it an interpretation.

I did not know that.. very cool

[nicethugbert]

The Fred wrote...

According to that, it's more like a dragon than anything else, then.

Do D&D dragons have six short legs like a bear, an ox-like body, a turtle shell, a scally tail ending in a scorpion's stinger, and a lion's head such as the original "real world" Tarrasque did?

[nicethugbert]

A giant Grey Render could work too and that model is on the vault.

[MokahTGS]

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and from the back:

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Each of these demons look similar enough to the Big T when you take their wings off and scale them. It wouldn't be perfect, like a custom model would, but really people, are you actually holding out hope that this would happen? I'm not...just pick a currently available model and deal with it.

[kamal_]

Basilisk model from the Vault. it has 6 legs and spikes on it's back. Only drawback is it might not look so good since it's relatively low poly.

[nicethugbert]

Out of all hose demons, I think the Hezrou fits the bill the best except it has no tail.

Whatever model is chosen. It goes a long way to change the width/length/height dimensions so it looks less like the original.

That is one reason why I favor the Dire Boar. If you make it low and wide, like the older D&D Tarrasque, the teeth become more visible, more in your face. Also, mentally it fits the Tarrasque ratios, so if you know anything about wild boars, it's easier to suspend disbelief. Real boars eat everything, are voracious, uproot plants, dig holes, and leave a mess everywhere. The bigger they are, the nastier their temperament. They become a real danger. A fifty foot tall wild boar would wipe out civilization, if not everything.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 01 septembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[kevL]

i'm w/ Ntb, the badger ... or the Hezrou

[The Fred]

The Hezrou looks pretty good, it's wide and low despite being humanoid (at first look I thought the Balor but it looks too person-like). A little re-texture might be in order, though.

[Eguintir Eligard]

Models look like S**t when you alter the size disproportionately. It's like watching a Standard definition television signal on a $2000 dollar wide screen TV on stretch mode because the guy is too cheap for HD cable.

No one should be surprised the tarrasque wasnt a D&D invention virtually nothing they do is, it's a collection of things from cultures and periods of time. Even their "nations" are just recycles of earth ones.

As for the models, I am on board with the original concept of don't cheap out on the boss of the campaign. Prefer a model that is what it is supposed to be if we can't modify one decently or make a new one, which means dragon to me. I like the idea of just planning as normal, and throwing the plot twist that it was a dragon after all.

[Lugaid of the Red Stripes]

Could you do a coup d'oeil effect, with the Tarrasque seemingly off in the far distance, stomping a village, but as you approach its just a little monster attacking a village of brownie-smurfs or something?

[nicethugbert]

kevL wrote...

i'm w/ Ntb, the badger ... or the Hezrou

Gigantic gator skin badger, NEAT!

[nicethugbert]

Eguintir Eligard wrote...

Models look like S**t when you alter the size disproportionately. It's like watching a Standard definition television signal on a $2000 dollar wide screen TV on stretch mode because the guy is too cheap for HD cable.

No one should be surprised the tarrasque wasnt a D&D invention virtually nothing they do is, it's a collection of things from cultures and periods of time. Even their "nations" are just recycles of earth ones.

As for the models, I am on board with the original concept of don't cheap out on the boss of the campaign. Prefer a model that is what it is supposed to be if we can't modify one decently or make a new one, which means dragon to me. I like the idea of just planning as normal, and throwing the plot twist that it was a dragon after all.

Making it a dragon would be cheaping out.

[Dann-J]

Here is my suggested solution, and it doesn't involve any customised models - just a bit of 2DA jiggery-pokery.

I made a copy of the Pit Fiend line in Appearance.2DA ('Devil, Pit Fiend') and changed the head reference from c_fiend_head to c_balor_head.




You can then scale it up as far as you want (I used 5,5,5 in those screen shots).

[Eguintir Eligard]

Maybe you should join the team then and show us what to do then bert.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 01 septembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Shaughn78]

I say we keep Mr. T, as he really pulls the game together. Plus there have been too many dragon antagonist. Unless we want to add 13 dwarven henchmen.

We have time before this gets released. Even if we are unable to get the perfect model, DannJ has shown with some creativity we can mix and match some existing models. If we also throwing in some reskinning we do have some options to get a decent looking bad guy.

[Shallina]

If we can't have a tarrask it's better to use an other threat that would tie the campaign the same way.