In the end, just some community people need to "just do it" and forget what people think about it. If they like it, they will use it. Mods like the CPTT should show case such a thing...that way...the next CPTT would just use it as well...and the player would only download the mod and the new stuff.
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#202
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:24
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Lugaid of the Red Stripes wrote...
This might not be the right forum, but I'd like to second what the grumpy strumpet says about a NWN2 CEP. I try to keep custom content down to minimum in my mods because I want to keep everything simple for the end user, and to cut down on bugs from complex installations (2DA conflicts and whatnot).
If there were a single download that I could reasonable expect every player to have, then I could incorporate it into my modules without a second thought. The ADL might resolve most of these issues, but it still leaves me having to make a choice about every piece of custom content; "Is this worth the potential hassle?" So I end up not using custom content unless it's absolutely necessary. For example, I absolutely had to use Escrimator's handaxes, for the tomahawk, but I left out his club and scimitar pack because they were only marginally useful. I'd rather have all the weapons available in a single hak, one that everyone downloads as a normal part of their installation.
Seconded with a feathered hat on
I the same way I use little custom content for the same reasons.
NWN1 has one why can't we.
As for the close date EE, I'm not so hot on reading stuff and taking it in from the screen. I probably misread someones post ... Still given my own project status I'm still thinking October.
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#203
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 07:34
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We have the ADL wich is better.. Just make a little effort to understand how it works.
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#204
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 08:33
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A "CEP" for NWN2 is a whole other issue IMO, though worth talking about. Personally, I think the NWN1 CEP, whilst pretty cool in many respects, had a lot of issues.
To my mind, Pain's Monster Pack is already filling the role of a CEP to some extents, as far as creature models are concerned - the packaging of monsters is one thing, but here we have something where, because it's modular, an update only requires you to re-download a set of stuff, and new stuff can be added to new packages with only the 2das needing to be updated. If you're only using a few monsters, you only need to use one or two of the haks, and people only need to download one or two at once - if they play a lot of modules they will eventually accumulate them all, but while they can get the lot in one go, they needn't.
The ADL I need to read up on, I get the principle but I still haven't gotten around to sussing it out fully. From what I gather, though, it gives us a lot of power to do stuff without a lot of the hassle we had in NWN1.
Lugaid mentioned using Escrimator's Hand Axes in his module. Well, I just recently downloaded both, and with Escrimator's being an addition, not an override, I just stuck it in my override folder (somewhat ironic, I guess) without any worry about it messing up my other stuff, and would now be able to use it in other modules. I'd be able to do just the same if it were a hak pak. Personally, I don't see why having multiple such packs need be bad... it's just when you get numbering issues and so forth that things start to get messy.
Anway, not wanting to sidetrack the thread, is it worth putting the link to the blog somewhere more prominent? Perhaps in the first post, since at least it's easy to find? I've never really used Blogger before this but it is good for a "press release"-type thing and it'd be better if it were easy for people to find. :-)
To my mind, Pain's Monster Pack is already filling the role of a CEP to some extents, as far as creature models are concerned - the packaging of monsters is one thing, but here we have something where, because it's modular, an update only requires you to re-download a set of stuff, and new stuff can be added to new packages with only the 2das needing to be updated. If you're only using a few monsters, you only need to use one or two of the haks, and people only need to download one or two at once - if they play a lot of modules they will eventually accumulate them all, but while they can get the lot in one go, they needn't.
The ADL I need to read up on, I get the principle but I still haven't gotten around to sussing it out fully. From what I gather, though, it gives us a lot of power to do stuff without a lot of the hassle we had in NWN1.
Lugaid mentioned using Escrimator's Hand Axes in his module. Well, I just recently downloaded both, and with Escrimator's being an addition, not an override, I just stuck it in my override folder (somewhat ironic, I guess) without any worry about it messing up my other stuff, and would now be able to use it in other modules. I'd be able to do just the same if it were a hak pak. Personally, I don't see why having multiple such packs need be bad... it's just when you get numbering issues and so forth that things start to get messy.
Anway, not wanting to sidetrack the thread, is it worth putting the link to the blog somewhere more prominent? Perhaps in the first post, since at least it's easy to find? I've never really used Blogger before this but it is good for a "press release"-type thing and it'd be better if it were easy for people to find. :-)
#205
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 03:31
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sounds like a whole bunch of horse hockey. 1 hak pak, with everything, download once, its done.
Then maybe CC will actually be used. To this day there is still way more CC than actual adventures to play and considering I rarely notice more than 1 or 2 CC in use in a game (and in the pre 2008 era, none) I'd say its underused.
Make a hak everyone has and we can all use it and not have to nitpick "am I going to use this feature enough to include it" and new users wont have to install our own custom haks repeatedly and most importantly I wont have to ever touch 2das which I hate despise and am loath to even doing.
Then maybe CC will actually be used. To this day there is still way more CC than actual adventures to play and considering I rarely notice more than 1 or 2 CC in use in a game (and in the pre 2008 era, none) I'd say its underused.
Make a hak everyone has and we can all use it and not have to nitpick "am I going to use this feature enough to include it" and new users wont have to install our own custom haks repeatedly and most importantly I wont have to ever touch 2das which I hate despise and am loath to even doing.
#206
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 12:01
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Yeah until someone makes something new or something gets changed.
Anyway, like I say, this probably isn't the thread for such a discussion.
Anyway, like I say, this probably isn't the thread for such a discussion.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 05:31
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I've redone the layout. Tell me if this is easier to read. I disliked the other one, but it had a certain flavor I liked.
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Link added to the top of the main post and, importantly(!), my signature.
A NWN2 CEP is lovely, but this isn't particularly the thread to talk about it in(methinks). That said, if *anyone* wants to take it upon themselves to do it, I would be more than happy to provide the hak I am currently using.
I've redone the layout. Tell me if this is easier to read. I disliked the other one, but it had a certain flavor I liked.
@ Fred
Link added to the top of the main post and, importantly(!), my signature.
A NWN2 CEP is lovely, but this isn't particularly the thread to talk about it in(methinks). That said, if *anyone* wants to take it upon themselves to do it, I would be more than happy to provide the hak I am currently using.
#210
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 08:02
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When it was loading, I was like COOL.
And then when it finished loading the book background (twas white or gray, I can't remember)... I was like BUMMER.
And then when it finished loading the book background (twas white or gray, I can't remember)... I was like BUMMER.
#211
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 09:59
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I actually liked the parchment we had. The only things was it wasn't so nice for reading the text - this white box on the book background is better for that, and the coloured books are cheery. I'm kind of in two minds about it myself, but it's a matter of taste I guess. ;-)
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:30
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The parchment was fine, but it didn't scroll down very well(is there a pun in there?)
Anyways, I think it looks good for the desired role and I'm glad to see the cool updates for it.
Anyways, I think it looks good for the desired role and I'm glad to see the cool updates for it.
#213
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 06:50
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meh...can someone tell me how to get picture thumbnails inserted so they are links to pictures in blogger...it is not working for some reason...I can get the thumbnails to show up but they don't link to anything.
Did I mention I hate blogger...
Did I mention I hate blogger...
#214
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:55
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Mine just seem to have done it by themselves...
#215
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 09:29
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use imageshack.us and who cares what pictures u have in blogger. You dont even have to sign up.
#216
Posté 28 juin 2011 - 10:09
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The background you use for conversations looks really nice, is that on the vault? I couldn't find it.
Nice work with those rooms and blocking the PCs from seeing them before opening the doors. They really should have implemented that from the infinity engines into NWN2.
Nice work with those rooms and blocking the PCs from seeing them before opening the doors. They really should have implemented that from the infinity engines into NWN2.
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Posté 28 juin 2011 - 09:35
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Its not its just a parchment background.
Btw for those who had trouble seeing the parchment background of the team blog (or any background for that matter) its simply a matter of turning down the contrast of the background image, to the point where it is less loud and the variation is limited enough that it more or less appears as one shade of brightness, see my blog for effect.
Btw for those who had trouble seeing the parchment background of the team blog (or any background for that matter) its simply a matter of turning down the contrast of the background image, to the point where it is less loud and the variation is limited enough that it more or less appears as one shade of brightness, see my blog for effect.
#219
Posté 30 août 2011 - 04:39
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I'm trying to finish up the area I've been wroking on. Hoping to get a lot done this weekend.
Pretty much finishing up convos and journal entries.
The last I heard, we were planning to put everything together sometime in October. Maybe this could be like the 3 year anniversary of the community Halloween mod. That would be awesome.
Harumph!
Pretty much finishing up convos and journal entries.
The last I heard, we were planning to put everything together sometime in October. Maybe this could be like the 3 year anniversary of the community Halloween mod. That would be awesome.
Harumph!
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#220
Posté 30 août 2011 - 04:58
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The section I volunteed for which I am co-writing with M.Reider is coming along well. We are finishing of the last areas and bringing the whole thing together. perhaps not too far behind Dorateen.
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#221
Posté 30 août 2011 - 05:18
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Well, I've put some stuff up on the blog. I've been kinda busy recently, and I've not really gotten back into the toolset just yet, so alas I haven't really done any work on this for a while. It shouldn't take me long to finish up, my part is only small, but I just need to get my act together and get on with it. ;-)
#222
Posté 30 août 2011 - 10:10
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I was about to ask since summer is over and I don't mind being inside a bit now what is going on. Nobody has posted anything to the project forum. And that's fine. But you better post your items on the spreadsheet we got going, it takes no effort and would be very courteous to everyone else whos making an effort to inject at least some cohesion.
Or even if you won't do that at least post your level and experience gain in your module, as we have to occupy other levels with our work when there is overlap. I think everyone here has seen the 2 spreadsheets from the forum if not message me for the sheet links.
Or even if you won't do that at least post your level and experience gain in your module, as we have to occupy other levels with our work when there is overlap. I think everyone here has seen the 2 spreadsheets from the forum if not message me for the sheet links.
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#223
Posté 31 août 2011 - 01:22
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PS is anyone working on it right now?
What haks do I need to make it work? I have the main hak from chaos which had the hak and a 2da.hak butt half the stuff is missing if I use both in the module. But he also had links to xp1.hak and a second 2da.hak ... ?
What haks do I need to make it work? I have the main hak from chaos which had the hak and a 2da.hak butt half the stuff is missing if I use both in the module. But he also had links to xp1.hak and a second 2da.hak ... ?
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Posté 31 août 2011 - 01:27
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Eguintir Eligard wrote...
PS is anyone working on it right now?
What haks do I need to make it work? I have the main hak from chaos which had the hak and a 2da.hak butt half the stuff is missing if I use both in the module. But he also had links to xp1.hak and a second 2da.hak ... ?
You need all the haks and the 2da hak on top of them all.
2da
xp1
main
I believe that's the order, too.
As far as the project goes, I've been slow on a numerous updates(Shagret and this) due to personal things(getting a place with the GF).
#225
Posté 31 août 2011 - 02:10
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I shall mourn thy passing then. Still tho, no posts in the forum since june but I hear people say they are working on it so thats concerning that nobody is sharing what levels they are doing etc. For now Im sticking to my areas as planned in hopes that the vallidity of the 90 day old spreadsheet holds up more or less.
