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[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

rma2110 wrote...

I fear this obsession graphic is what will ruin the video game industry. Game shave become very expensive to make. We are talking movie budgets and AAA titles approaching the price tag of blockbusters. With this kind of money on the line publishers will take less and less risks and all we'll get is is more of the same.

Personally, I play games for the GAMEplay and not the graphics. That's why some of my favorite games are indie titles. Now you know why the industry has to rely on DLC to keep the money flowing. It's the pretty, pretty graphics.

As do I, but it's obvious people like us are in the minority of the target audience publishers are going after. 

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 06 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Rawgrim]

Maria Caliban wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I fear this obsession graphic is what will ruin the video game industry.

I doubt it.

Firstly, more and more games aren't being made exclusively for the PC. The stagger of console generations slows down the hardware rush associated with gaming. Moreover, the big selling games have to aim as mid-range PCs.

Not to mention platforms like the Wii, Nintendo DS, browser based games, and IPods. EA isn't making as much money as the publishers of Farmville. In the next few decades, 'gamers' are going to have to recognize that they're the minority of gamers.

Secondly, while there will always be a push for better looking, at some point, we'll reach a plateau where 'better-looking' is more stylistic than technological. To some extent, Dragon Age II is a product of this.

Quite right.

[randName]

Maria Caliban wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I fear this obsession graphic is what will ruin the video game industry.

I doubt it.

Firstly, more and more games aren't being made exclusively for the PC. The stagger of console generations slows down the hardware rush associated with gaming. Moreover, the big selling games have to aim as mid-range PCs.

Not to mention platforms like the Wii, Nintendo DS, browser based games, and IPods. EA isn't making as much money as the publishers of Farmville. In the next few decades, 'gamers' are going to have to recognize that they're the minority of gamers.

Secondly, while there will always be a push for better looking, at some point, we'll reach a plateau where 'better-looking' is more stylistic than technological. To some extent, Dragon Age II is a product of this.

I just want to +1 this one, but I fear that this is frowned upon, and in truth should be, but this is truly what we are seeing today when it comes to graphics.

So here is some extra fluff, you can skip over this if you want.

Graphics is not the issue, rather that as a developer you want a sleek production, that produced a product that will sell well; your co-workers salaries, and their husbands/wives and children depend on your stability and foresight. & Games are expensive, so we get stable, secure products that appeases as many potential buyers as possible; and suddenly you get into the issue that its usually best to find the lowest common denominator; and that's me when it comes to FPS, someone else when it comes to RPGs, and suddenly everything gets dumbed down until you get to a point where making it any easier and simpler would mean a loss of sales.

[Duncaaaaaan]

I thought the face models look fantastic. They look as good as Mass Effect. Clothing and environment, not so much... but they look good at a distance.

[lovgreno]

I don't mind if DA2 is on the technical standard of DAO. Some imagination and artistic talent can make it more than good enough anyway.

[Icinix]

Meh. The graphics art direction certainly isnt my cup of tea, but there are two huge stand out things which totally make up for it.
1) Animation : just top notch. Its beautiful.
2) High resolution textures. When running at 2560x1600 textures normally stretch and blur but with DA2 they're crisp and sharp. This makes me very, very happy. It also exceeds a huge number of other games in this regard.

So although the graphics arent photo realistic, they are still a great step in the right direction.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

Wrong genre to look for great graphics.

Witcher 2, Skyrim would like to have a word with you, hell let's throw in Diablo 3

DAII looks better than what I've seen of Diablo III and Witcher 2, and Skyrim is a different genre.

I never laughed so hard in my entire life thank you.. there are stores that sell glasses try it out and you might see the world a bit different

[Anathemic]

Marhkus wrote...

Looks great, did you get that in game? On your PC? Cuz mine came from ingame, on my PC. Or did you just find a nice Projekt Screenshot of the internet... Hmm.

'Course not, but I did get this from TW1 in-game from my PC, I say it looks better but that's my subjective opinion.

Modifié par Anathemic, 06 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[RavenStorm]

I thought you retired Anathemic? At any rate the First Witcher had decent Graphics. Doesn't look as good DA:O. Just my subjective opinion. I think POP 2008 and Borderlands look better than any of these games. For that same reason I'm proclaiming the Darkness 2. As having better Graphics then The Witcher 2.

So back on topic. What is it that people don't like about Dragon Age 2's graphics. Just the low res textures, Or What?

Modifié par RavenStorm, 06 mars 2011 - 06:09 .

[Anathemic]

RavenStorm wrote...

I thought you retired Anathemic? At any rate the First Witcher had decent Graphics. Doesn't look as good DA:O. Just my subjective opinion. I think POP 2008 and Borderlands look better than any of these games. For that same reason I'm proclaiming the Darkness 2. As having better Graphics then The Witcher 2.

So back on topic. What is it that people don't like about Dragon Age 2's graphics. Just the low res textures, Or What?

For me it's not the high-res textures at all, its the art style. It looks nothing like dark fantasy.

[Nutermunger]

 I don't understand why we are debating games like Skyrim here.

This is my understanding of it, and I have already read many of you that agree.

The games are different!  If a game is fun I will play it and that's that.  Now Dragon Age, as we all know does not have the greatest graphics.  It's a shame, but you know what, it really doesn't matter.  The game will still be great and we will all still play it. And as for Skyrim, you have to seriously be hatin to not agree that its new graphics engine looks fantanstic!

I mean come on guys
Have you seen this!?


Anyways, my point being.  Quit arguing about graphics, because a game is a game.  I am not siding with anyone, I am defending EVERYONE.  If you don't like a game don't play it!

[IronVanguard]

I was just fine with Origins graphics, though updates are nice.
So far, it's been less the graphics from me so much as I'm still not that fond of the style. Maybe a few hours in I'll get it.

[Night Prowler76]

I dont mind that you disagree, Ive seen a boatload of screens and gameplay at this point, its just not that impressive in the graphics department to me, especially on the console.

Im not flaming anybody, just stating that Bioware has said its an Action RPG, but there are people on here clinging to what they "thought" the game was going to be. Just because you can pause the game and cue up attacks doesnt mean its an indepth tactical RPG. You can just set up your party's tactics and play the game as an action game the whole way through as well btw.

Again, Bioware BUILT this game with the INTENT of making a great ACTION RPG, and Im sure with their sales, they will have accomplished that goal.

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 06 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[Lady Bibble]

Sure, the graphics aren't top notch, but honestly, seeing how even the most beautiful graphics can fail at making a game good *Glares at FFXIII*, I'm looking more at gameplay.

There's a reason people still play old school games, and it aint for the graphics.

[flexxdk]

http://t0.gstatic.co...-1QG3FfRxTM&t=1

Seriously, can't you guys just drop the "DA2 vs The Witcher 2 vs Diablo 3" discussions for a moment thank you very much?! It's getting really annoying! And such discussions mostly tend to result in flame wars. >_>

On-Topic:
The graphics are good enough for me.

Sure, sure. Good graphics add to the immersion of the game. But I like good stories as well. And I don't pay much attention to the graphics anyway. As long as they're good, I'm fine with it.

Modifié par Whacka, 06 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[RavenStorm]

Anathemic wrote...
For me it's not the high-res textures at all, its the art style. It looks nothing like dark fantasy.

 Does that have definitive look? Or is that more about Story,  Choices, Setting, and a Feeling/Emotional Response it gives?

Look to the real life art styles of People whom were known for their Warriors:

Scythians 

Sarmatians
 
 You can't logically say there isn't room for stylized art in the Realm of Fantasy or Dark Fantasy. The game Doesn't look like the Care Bears after All. Another thing I'll throw it just because it's stylized and looks beautiful :
Secret Of Kells - Personally I would love to see fantasy or Dark fantasy as stylized and as expressive as that. Instead of We're trying to be a movie or photorealistic(yet never really there) type of graphics. Not that modern movies aren't highly stylized now.

Modifié par RavenStorm, 06 mars 2011 - 06:30 .

[Anathemic]

RavenStorm wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
For me it's not the high-res textures at all, its the art style. It looks nothing like dark fantasy.

 Does that have definitive look? Or is that more about Story,  Choices, Setting, and a Feeling/Emotional Response it gives?

Look to the real life art styles of People whom were known for their Warriors:

Scythians 

Sarmatians
 
 You can't logically say there isn't room for stylized art in the Realm of Fantasy or Dark Fantasy. The game Doesn't look like the Care Bears after All. Another thing I'll throw it just because it's stylized and looks beautiful :
Secret Of Kells - Personally I would love to see fantasy or Dark fantasy as stylized and as expressive as that. instead of We're trying to be a movie or photorealistic(yet never really there) type of graphics. Not that modern movies aren't highly stylized now.

Its more of the emotional feeling but the general look comes into play to. Whenerver Hawke is addorning that stupid set of spiked armor (piece of metal sticking out of chest, spiked pauldrons) I immediatly register in my mind: JRPG.

[merak43]

"great" graphic short game
"good" graphic longer game
basically if they want flashy graphic it will need to come from somewhere that is more money that could go into a game that last longer,
i would guess that you guys cant find any game regardless of genre that has good graphic and a long playing time.

EDIT: that said i have a hard time finding anything wrong with the graphic on DA2

Modifié par merak43, 06 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[RavenStorm]

Anathemic wrote...

Its more of the emotional feeling but the general look comes into play to. Whenerver Hawke is addorning that stupid set of spiked armor (piece of metal sticking out of chest, spiked pauldrons) I immediatly register in my mind: JRPG.

 Looks more like something out of European Heavy Metal video. But hey that might just be me.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Considering the short development time maybe they couldn't do much better. The Game looks fine IMO, the character models do look much improved und more detailed (pores, wrinkles and teeth, etc) in the demo already, the environments,oth, not at all.
What I don't understand is why they can't manage to make the console versions (at least PS3, haven't seen it on the Xbox) look as good as the PC version, when some PS3 games like Final Fantasy XIII or Uncharted 2 make the PC Version look like it was made 10 years ago. Does it have something to do with the engine being primarily developed for the PC ?

[Khayness]

Thread summary:

Dragon Age ][ will be the bestest game ever, it will even foreshadow the second coming of Christ, you are just haters!

Modifié par Khayness, 06 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[Morbo]

Pfft, I don't really mind the graphics. But then again I'd probably still play the game it was text-based....unless I was likely to be eaten by a grue. *shudder*

[TwistedComplex]

Metalunatic wrote...

Beren082 wrote...

DX11

'nuff said

And I suppose you think that every PC gamer and consoles can run DX11?

If they can't then the graphics would be ****e anyway