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[Emzamination]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

This is the Dragon Age 2 forum. Let's keep it to that, k?

Once the conversation starts to pick up steam nothing short of an uber mod can stop that run away train 

[Persephone]

Lemme put it this way:

Oblivion: EYE CANDY when it came out. Never finished it because it bored me.

Morrowind: Not eye candy but one story wise it beats Oblivion to a pulp. And the Mods......oooooh....the Mods.

Bioware has never disappointed me truly and what I've seen of DA2 on YT is gorgeous. Guess that's just me though.

[FringeOfChaos]

Pechvogel wrote...

FringeOfChaos wrote...

Anyone with further complaints about Bioware's take on graphics can create a portfolio, apply to Bioware's graphics department, and improve it themselves. If you're unwilling to do so, shut up and stop complaining.

Pechvogel wrote...

We base our expectation on the fact that Bioware designers are experienced professionals.
Saying that their job is difficult, doesn't cut it. Stop making excuses for them.

Your turn.

If you honestly believe they are experienced professionals, then you must admit that they are doing the best job they can under whatever constraints have been placed on them.

If you don't believe they are experienced professionals, you have to have a reason for it. If it's because "the graphics/art style is crappy", then you must be speaking from a height of skill or experience in such a field that is greater than theirs. In which case, apply to Bioware and fix the mistakes you think they're making.

If you don't believe they are experienced professionals, due to the "bad graphics/art", and you aren't speaking from such a height and cannot in fact do their jobs under their constraints, then your complaints against them are either petty or spiteful, but either way full of entitlement. And worst of all, you're insulting those professionals with those complaints.

I choose to believe the first. Even if the graphics aren't so real it looks like I could reach into the screen and actually feel the world inside, I can play the game with the knowledge that it's as good as they could get it. And that's good enough for any game, now matter how it looks.

[Marhkus]

I think I've pinpointed what annoys people about DA2 graphics: The lighting/reflection/gloom effects. There's almost none of it in the Demo and possibly very little also on the Dx11/High rez version ((Not sure about this. Did not play the Extreme High rez Dx11 version)).

That's the only big dif I could find between the games people say have better graphics. I tend to agree then, DA2 is missing this touch ((If it's what you like)). Myself, I think many games could use less of the 'GLEAM' effect.

DA2 demo with Dx10 on HIGH graphics, really looks nice. The cloud shadows and the spell effect reflection are sweet. So, sub par... I think it is not. I think it is On Par but it does not exceed the par.

[darklordpocky-san]

are graphics the most important thing? No, overall I had no issue with the lousy graphics in DA:O.

That being said, I was expecting some improvement, and I've yet to really see it. You've got games like Valkyria Chronicles that use a stylized cellshaded look, and still play fantastically, and transitioned pretty well to handhelds. So why can't a AAA title like DA2 look half as good? I'd simply chalk it up to advertisement vs production costs.

VC wasn't advertised well; East and West (at least not until VCII and III), and the development was the thing that ate up most of the funds. DA2 looks like it was conceived with graphics as an after thought, and marketing as a forefront. Those ads DO make the game look better, and that's because they were made to.

Will DA3 look any better? Probably not, especially if this trend continues. Will it matter in the end? Only if you can't stand the visuals, and trust me, I'm someone who doesn't care about graphics, and DA2 still kinda bothers me. . . perhaps it will fade, once I get a better look at it. . . or not. . .

Modifié par darklordpocky-san, 07 mars 2011 - 06:17 .

[astrallite]

Metalunatic wrote...

Fatex3 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

DAII looks better than what I've seen of Diablo III and Witcher 2, and Skyrim is a different genre.

I love Bioware games also, but you sir, are blind or trying to brown-nose. Also Skyrim is a RPG, just like DA][

Skyrim is an open-world RPG while DAII is a tactical RPG. (I think) The point is, they are a different subgenre. For example, you can focus more on the graphics in a open-world game, whereas in a tactial RPG they focus more on the story and characters.

There's quite a large contingent of characters on this forum that believe the entire RPG genre is defined by Ultima and anything created by Bioware. Every other game that came out in the last 30 years on any platform claims to be an RPG are not RPGs. "And if you disagree, please go back to the Bethesda forums or go play a JRPG."

Lovely crowd.

[mesmerizedish]

astrallite wrote...

There's quite a large contingent of characters on this forum that believe the entire RPG genre is defined by Ultima and anything created by Bioware. Every other game that came out in the last 30 years on any platform claims to be an RPG are not RPGs. "And if you disagree, please go back to the Bethesda forums or go play a JRPG."

Lovely crowd.

No one actually says "go back to the Bethesda forums" do they? For the record, the Bethsoft boards are WAY nicer, but I think that's because the mods are way stricter.

[finalbox328]

personally i love the look of da2 - looks fantastic on hdmi

[hangmans tree]

astrallite wrote...
There's quite a large contingent of characters on this forum that believe the entire RPG genre is defined by [PLACE FAV GAME HERE] and anything created by Bioware. Every other game that came out in the last 30 years on any platform claims to be an RPG are not RPGs. "And if you disagree, please go back to the Bethesda/The Witcher/Blizzard/Sims forums or go play a JRPG/whatever they find derogatory."

Lovely crowd.

Heh, so true.

[LT RADCZEK]

OP is prolly a casual who only buys games for the graphics and/or the most popular ones.

Also why is this thread almost 10 pages?

[Hellosanta]

Edit: I'm not some Bioware fanatic, I must say. I love TW2 and AC series also, and I already pre-ordered them - waiting for more information on skyrim. I think 2011 is good year for a gamer like me who has a broad taste in rpg/action genre. 

Modifié par Hellosanta, 07 mars 2011 - 07:44 .

[mesmerizedish]

Hellosanta wrote...

*snipped for awesome*




Edit: I'm not some Bioware fanatic, I must say. I love TW2 and AC series also, and I already pre-ordered them - waiting for more information on skyrim. I think 2011 is good year for a gamer like me who has a broad taste in rpg/action genre. 

Those screenshots look amazing.

[AnathamaDye]

I love the graphics, sure they aren't the best but for RPGs don't expect that.  Look at the Fallout series, great games but not the best graphics.

[Tennessee88]

I don't feel its as much the graphics as how poorly made the environments are. Would I prefer better graphics... yes, but they aren't a must have. However if the lighting, textures, physics, etc are going to dated... then why can't they at least try to make the most with what they have. I would say that much of what I have seen almost appears randomly generated... but that would be an insult to randomly generated environments.

[Gvaz]

The second to last one is bad.

Brown, with blurring and more brown, surrounded by brown. Awesome.

[Nutermunger]

Hellosanta wrote...
















Edit: I'm not some Bioware fanatic, I must say. I love TW2 and AC series also, and I already pre-ordered them - waiting for more information on skyrim. I think 2011 is good year for a gamer like me who has a broad taste in rpg/action genre. 

These Screenshots really make me like the art direction!

[AnathamaDye]

Nutermunger wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
















Edit: I'm not some Bioware fanatic, I must say. I love TW2 and AC series also, and I already pre-ordered them - waiting for more information on skyrim. I think 2011 is good year for a gamer like me who has a broad taste in rpg/action genre. 

These Screenshots really make me like the art direction!

I agree ♥

[Shallina]

DA2 graphic are subpar next to recent games, they cut the number of polygone from DAO. But they got a better lightning than in the first.

Even if they are clearly behind they still get the job done and seems not to dated for an action RPG.

But having the console as primary platform hurt DA2 graphic a lot.

Modifié par Shallina, 07 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[randName]

Personally I think the sensible views in here are these.

1. DA2 got a wonderful/decent/neutral/soso/bad art-style.
2. Game X got a better, or worse art-style.

Since style is rather personal, what ever you feel is usually right for you, so discuss away.

3. DA2 got a good, decent, or ok render; or here nothing points to DA2 having a world leading light engine, nor that the light and the render is any worse than a decent game of today (While DA:O had problems).

4. What can we keep/improve

& then you have most of the rest, that is either of topic, pointless, or just bad form. What good graphics is, is relative to all other; or other games and media, and life as we know it, should, and will be compared. This is about DA2, but there is nothing wrong in comparing it to anything else, unless its obviously inflammatory (turds) or omniscient praise of some holy perfect maker (DA2 isn't perfect, no game is; if you believe it is, seek a doctor).

& I'm liking the style, and I'm ok with the engine; both points are for me big improvements from DA:O. I understand if someone want DA:O or the Witcher 2, or anything else really.

& Lastly for those that tell people to go away because they don't hold DA2 in the same high-regard as you, esp. if you are of the idea that DA2 is the holy-grail of visual standard, please stop, you are making me ashamed to be apart of the same species.

Also that was a general list, I'm certain there are worthwhile discussions in here that I've missed as I've at best slummed through this discussion, but the constant attempt at banishing people that only want a debate was too tiresome, and this is solely directed at them; not at anyone trying to make a decent point of their own view of things.

Also those screens from DA2 are nice.

Shallina wrote...

DA2 graphic are subpar next to recent
games, they cut the number of polygone from DAO. But they got a better
lightning than in the first.

Even if they are clearly behind they still get the job done and seems not to dated for an action RPG.

But having the console as primary platform hurt DA2 graphic a lot.

Compared to recent PC games then? or compared to FPS games? Or just compared to all the Unreal tech games? (with additions of CryEngine). I think the issue there is that you either pick up one of the big engines, or maybe something like what Battlefield 3 will be using; and thus have to use an external engine, with the pros and cons that bring.

The 3rd party light solution that  that BF3 (as is other games) is using in their Frostbite engine could be a decent solution, or just working with Unreal as with ME1/2.

But for an internal engine Lycium looks better than decent in my mind (but compared to Frostbite, id Tech, Unreal, CryEngine and a few others its so so, or maybe even sub-par light and renderwise) .

Modifié par randName, 07 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Camilladilla]

DA2 demo had a rather cartoony/spiky stylized look to it at the beginning when you were running from Lothering. Games are a visual medium and I really appreciate it when scenes/settings are visually stunning or impressive. I like what DA2 has presented so far in terms of style, but I have to admit sometimes I wince at how poor the texturing or structures are and I reeeally hate those giant/blocky chins some male characters have.

What DOES get to me is Bioware's inability to create atmosphere (save for ME2, Omega had wonderful atmosphere!). Kirkwall is supposed to be this grand city, right? And yet from what I've seen, it's so damn empty. It's like logging into a main city in an MMORPG after a server reset and there's no one around. Even that feeling of desolation at the beginning of the demo is just barely there.

[didymos1120]

GvazElite wrote...

The second to last one is bad.

Brown, with blurring and more brown, surrounded by brown. Awesome.

You apparently failed to notice the very easily noticed green, orange, yellow, gray, etc. 

[TallBearNC]

Canned Bullets wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

Now how did you get your game so early that you can find them sub-par?

The demo obviously, hopefully the story is good and the missions don't get repetitive.

The demo was lacking full DX11 graphics AND missing the high rez textures... you should read forums before opening mouth

[wrdnshprd]

dunno what game you looked at, but i thought the graphics were a major step up (minus the darkspawn.. didnt like them so much)

[Loc'n'lol]

Hellosanta wrote...
*pics*

Booo, there's a N64 skeleton in the bottom left corner. Game is ruined. Cancelling pre-order.

[Hellosanta]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...
*pics*

Booo, there's a N64 skeleton in the bottom left corner. Game is ruined. Cancelling pre-order.

 HA-HA-Ha "I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you." 
.... umm, sorry I just want to speak out one of Warden's line that I've liked a lot.