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[themikefest]

The Warden. My femwarden can be an Arcane Warrior whereas Hawke can't therefore femWarden would kick femHawke's a**

[Sir DeLoria]

Templar-Champion Warden vs Templar-Champion Hawke

Good question, whoever has the more powerful holy smite.

[Toastbrot]

My warden uses Mana Clash..

 

.... aaaaand Hawke is gone

[Pateu]

The Warden beats him.

 

He fought way stronger enemies than Hawke did not to mention he has a superior arsenal in the form of much better weapons ( legendary weapons, compared to Hawke's rather mundane tools ) and armor.

[BronzTrooper]

Cousland was able to at least AVENGE her entire family, harden Alistair and became Queen of Ferelden. Plus she hunt down and killed Morrigan because she thought that Darkspawn become sapient due the child she had with Alistair... Hawke... just try to be in Hawke's shoes:
you are a twin of your also warrior brother and live with 2 apostates, why the **** will you go to serve the chantry all the game? why Hawke had not the guts to say no to them and side with the qunari people to drive away the chantry from Kirkwall? I have played all origins, but Hawke is so pathetic that i can't either remember his/her gender, just the fact (s)he was a warrior and had sex with Merrill... all what (s)he achieved.
Heck even Oghren achieved more, he BREED, hawke, instead had 7 years of sex with Merill and that's all. In the end (s)he escapes with her and so his/her "adventures" ended. Hawke serves no purpose: can't save the mages because blood magic autotriggers abominations in Kirkwall (oh wait, even non mages became abominations here), can't either be a good cupid letting pathetic Aveline to butch her own romance, can't even say **** OFF I'M GOING without being tossed again into the battlefield, all (s)he did was forgiving an imposter who calls himself Anders, nuff said.

 

I will quote the city elf graywarden: "it is just me, or did you think you ever had a chance?" then hawke dies in the hands of an asassin, ranger, deep road scout elf.

 

... 

 

So you're going on what you did in your playthrough(s) and assuming it's canon?

 

Look, I agree that Hawke had less choices than the Warden, but that's due to DA2 being rushed out in a year and a half as opposed to DA:O's 3 years.  You can't blame something like that on Hawke.  That's like blaming Shepard for the horror that is the ending of ME3.  It makes no sense.  Plus:  Hawke is the oldest sibling.  Carver and Bethany are twins.  Besides, Hawke can be a mage too.

 

As for the Chantry comment: personally, I'd be more confused if Hawke sided with the Templars.  Think about it like this: the vast majority of humans in Thedas believe in the Maker and listen to what the Chantry says for the most part.  Besides, the Qunari are far from the best people to handle mages.

 

Overall, I think you should just calm down.  I agree that Hawke has got nothing on the Warden, but that doesn't mean that you should say that Hawke is completely useless.  You're just going to start a flame war, and I'm pretty sure that no one wants that.  It never turns out well.

[blaidfiste]

I'd say cannon Garrett Hawke will win against cannon Malcolm Warden.

 

Hawke Fighter/Blood mage

 

 

Malcolm Darkspawn Killer

 

[Ryzaki]

Warden. Stunlocking ftw.

[dekarserverbot]

... 

 

So you're going on what you did in your playthrough(s) and assuming it's canon?

 

Look, I agree that Hawke had less choices than the Warden, but that's due to DA2 being rushed out in a year and a half as opposed to DA:O's 3 years.  You can't blame something like that on Hawke.  That's like blaming Shepard for the horror that is the ending of ME3.  It makes no sense.  Plus:  Hawke is the oldest sibling.  Carver and Bethany are twins.  Besides, Hawke can be a mage too.

 

As for the Chantry comment: personally, I'd be more confused if Hawke sided with the Templars.  Think about it like this: the vast majority of humans in Thedas believe in the Maker and listen to what the Chantry says for the most part.  Besides, the Qunari are far from the best people to handle mages.

 

Overall, I think you should just calm down.  I agree that Hawke has got nothing on the Warden, but that doesn't mean that you should say that Hawke is completely useless.  You're just going to start a flame war, and I'm pretty sure that no one wants that.  It never turns out well.

sorry don't mean offense this time, i took everything out of my chest in two other unrelated forums.

Also don't mean to take my own playthroughs as cannon, specially since only lady "easygoing" Aeduncan, martyr dalish elf and evil mr Cousland are cannon. Everybody said their own wardens vs Hawke (who is just a genderbending human who switches between warrior and mage, let's face it nobody of us play him/her as rouge). And about ME i feel it so unrelated, i have the trilogy for xbox and i hate ME3 because it's end... but comparing Hawke and Shephard based on my own statement is a crime: Shephard is even more than warden.

 

But yours is a good point, i trend to relate templars and chantry as one (and that lead me to a bad relationship with Lelianna until i emptied my gift inventory with her making her to aproach me to kill her ex) and maybe is not that way in the shoes of Hawke.

[BronzTrooper]

sorry don't mean offense this time, i took everything out of my chest in two other unrelated forums.

Also don't mean to take my own playthroughs as cannon, specially since only lady "easygoing" Aeduncan, martyr dalish elf and evil mr Cousland are cannon. Everybody said their own wardens vs Hawke (who is just a genderbending human who switches between warrior and mage, let's face it nobody of us play him/her as rouge). And about ME i feel it so unrelated, i have the trilogy for xbox and i hate ME3 because it's end... but comparing Hawke and Shephard based on my own statement is a crime: Shephard is even more than warden.

 

But yours is a good point, i trend to relate templars and chantry as one (and that lead me to a bad relationship with Lelianna until i emptied my gift inventory with her making her to aproach me to kill her ex) and maybe is not that way in the shoes of Hawke.

 

You mixed up the canon Cousland and Aeducan.  Cousland was the goodie-2-shoes and Aeducan was the douche.

 

You are wrong about your 'nobody plays rogue Hawke' comment.  Plenty of people play as a rogue (the dps is absolutely insane) and it is definitely my favorite class.

 

As for Hawke and Shep, I wasn't comparing the 2.  I just said that saying Hawke was useless was like blaming Shep for the ending of ME3.  You can't blame it on the character when things were rushed (as was the case with ME3 and DA2).  If DA2 was given the same amount of time DA:O had and you still said that, fine.  but don't say Hawke was useless because the game itself was rushed.  That's all I'm saying.

 

As for the 'Shepard is even more than the Warden' comment, that isn't exactly fair considering the enormous technological gap between the ME universe, and the DA universe.  If you were comparing the Warden to another fantasy-RPG protagonist, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but what you're doing is like comparing the Jedi in Star Wars to the Companions in Skyrim.  Don't compare a sci-fi-RPG protangonist to a fantasy-RPG protagonist.  The latter will always end up losing due to being technologically out-matched.  (sorry for the mini-rant, it was just something that bugged me)

[KaiserShep]

What is this nonsense about nobody playing a rogue Hawke? Madness and poppycock I say. I find rogue Hawke infinitely better than warrior. I only cycle between rogue and mage.

[Ozzy]

My first Hawke was a rogue! 

 

In any case, I think my Hawke and Warden would get along. They'd have a pint or two at The Hanged Man and share war stories.  

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Let's see... Mahariel: (1) can call upon animals to assist him; (2) learned master-assassin skills from BFF Zevran; (3) has the strength/stamina of a Legion of the Dead scout; (3) has the power of dragon-blood and (4) Avernus's potion in his veins.

 

Ilda Hawke is an assassin. She's elite in her craft, but my Warden is just stoopid powerful.

[Eternal Phoenix]

I'd say cannon Garrett Hawke will win against cannon Malcolm Warden.

 

Hawke Fighter/Blood mage

 

 

Malcolm Darkspawn Killer

 

 

None of them are cannon. They are the "default" Hawke and Warden, or at least Malcolm would have been but he was just for marketing and the actual default human noble looks nothing like him and doesn't even have his name. So there isn't really a "default" Warden and the pre-world states for DA2 allow you to choose from three different default characters if you so desire.

 

The default Hawke in that trailer is just a blood mage who is using his staff to melee attack as you can do in the game.

 

Considering that default Hawke has trouble against one Qunari (I don't care if he's the Arishock) and Malcolm effortlessly kills multiple darkspawn before felling a dragon with the help of his companions, I'd say Malcolm would win. That blood mage Hawke could only gain a victory if he started casting straight away but if we want to go by the destiny trailer where he charges into melee, he would be slaughtered instantly by Malcolm who would just block his melee attacks with his shield and finish him straight away unlike the Arishock who decided to pick Hawke up by the throat allowing for a magical counter attack.

 

Rogue Hawke would be slaughtered by Malcolm and so would warrior Hawke. Malcolm as the noble warden (whether a fighter or rogue) is a person who has been training in combat since childhood and participating in duels and tournaments. All Hawke classes are self-taught with their combat abilities so there's no comparison. You have someone with less martial knowledge and combat experience always going up against someone with far more knowledge and experience in combat. Even warrior Hawke (who served in the army at Ostagar, therefore having more combat experience than a rogue/mage Hawke) wouldn't be able to compare.

[BronzTrooper]

Rogue Hawke would be slaughtered by Malcolm and so would warrior Hawke. Malcolm as the noble warden (whether a fighter or rogue) is a person who has been training in combat since childhood and participating in duels and tournaments. All Hawke classes are self-taught with their combat abilities so there's no comparison. You have someone with less martial knowledge and combat experience always going up against someone with far more knowledge and experience in combat. Even warrior Hawke (who served in the army at Ostagar, therefore having more combat experience than a rogue/mage Hawke) wouldn't be able to compare.

 

Not really.  Mage Hawke was taught how control his/her magic by Malcolm Hawke alongside Bethany (Malcolm was a former Circle mage, so very few, if any, of the spells are self-taught).  Rogue and Warrior Hawke were loosely taught by Malcolm in melee combat (Carver mentions being taught by Malcolm in basic melee in Legacy), but eventually learned how to fight from a group of soldiers that passed through Lothering at one point (again, Carver mentions this in Legacy).  Plus: Rogue Hawke goes to Ostagar too, so saying that Warrior Hawke had more experience than Rogue Hawke makes no sense.  Actually, all 3 classes have a similar amount of training, so saying that all Hawke's abilities/spells are self-taught is just wrong.

 

I do agree with you on the Warden having trained since childhood (Dalish elf was trained as a hunter, human noble was trained by their parents/castle knights, city elf was trained by their mother, human and elf mages were trained in the Circle, dwarf noble was trained by House Aeducan's warriors, and dwarf commoner was trained by Beraht/Jarvia), so yeah, Hawke is definitely out-classed.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

its a draw

[Sir DeLoria]

What is this nonsense about nobody playing a rogue Hawke? Madness and poppycock I say. I find rogue Hawke infinitely better than warrior. I only cycle between rogue and mage.

Agreed, my favorite Hawke is a duellist-assassin melee rogue.

[dekarserverbot]

You mixed up the canon Cousland and Aeducan.  Cousland was the goodie-2-shoes and Aeducan was the douche.

 

You are wrong about your 'nobody plays rogue Hawke' comment.  Plenty of people play as a rogue (the dps is absolutely insane) and it is definitely my favorite class.

 

As for Hawke and Shep, I wasn't comparing the 2.  I just said that saying Hawke was useless was like blaming Shep for the ending of ME3.  You can't blame it on the character when things were rushed (as was the case with ME3 and DA2).  If DA2 was given the same amount of time DA:O had and you still said that, fine.  but don't say Hawke was useless because the game itself was rushed.  That's all I'm saying.

 

As for the 'Shepard is even more than the Warden' comment, that isn't exactly fair considering the enormous technological gap between the ME universe, and the DA universe.  If you were comparing the Warden to another fantasy-RPG protagonist, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but what you're doing is like comparing the Jedi in Star Wars to the Companions in Skyrim.  Don't compare a sci-fi-RPG protangonist to a fantasy-RPG protagonist.  The latter will always end up losing due to being technologically out-matched.  (sorry for the mini-rant, it was just something that bugged me)

 

sorry about that, was a mistake, i had the need of electroshock terapies to forget Dragon Age 2, but it only worked partially (sorry, Andersfeldian humor). I correct myself: Only canons are Tyranical demi-queen Aeduncan, martyr Dalish elf and good guy Cousland.

 

I'm not comparing them in terms of power, obviously any saiyan will lose a battle against any Kryptonian if there is at least one yellow star nearby, i'm talking about character development, in that case your argument only will be valid if we take in count that Shepherd had 3 games to do her best and Warden had just 1 game + expansion + possible epilogue if ritual performed AND planned for Morrigan finding... otherwise only 1 game.

It seems like i have stabbed myself. But the point is clear, even if Mass Effect was based on Stone Age instead of Sci Fi Shephard will be more than Warden.

 

And if it was given the same time amount i guess that due the script of the game every npc will still think "What Hawke's thinks, says or likes is not important"

 

*EDIT: great another mistake... Paragon Shephard traded names with Good Guy Cousland, it was not my day

Modifié par dekarserverbot, 26 juillet 2014 - 06:08 .

[Sidney]

Agreed, my favorite Hawke is a duellist-assassin melee rogue.

 

 

That combo borders on unfair it can output so much damage especially if you get Anders along to cast Haste.

[Sidney]

My "cannon" Warden and Hawke are both mages. The Warden knows mana clash.....game over for Hawke.

[Sir DeLoria]

That combo borders on unfair it can output so much damage especially if you get Anders along to cast Haste.

Yeah, Throw the Gauntlet(with all upgrades) + Assassinate equals in tremendous amounts of damage. Especially if you can follow up with four other offensive special attacks.

I like your Francis Bacon avatar btw

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Warden obviously.

 

Hawke is too much of a passsive idiot hero to get anything done in the fight.

[Milan92]

"And then the warden thrusted her blade into the archdemon's skull, defeating it once and for all!"

 

 

 

Meanwhile in Kirkwall.

 

[ObserverStatus]

Hakwe would win because he's mroe awesome.

[Nashimura]

My warden was more of a team player, My rouge Hawke would wipe the floor with him one one one. Still like my warden more though.

[KaiserShep]

 

 

Meanwhile in Kirkwall.

 

 

You know, the Warden would probably be just as much a victim of this crazy combat design. I mean, what human-level enemy has the Warden ever faced that was so immune to being attacked head-on?