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[caballero_oscuro]

Lennonkun wrote...

Silence peasant. Baldur's Gate 2 and PS:T had good graphics for their time and clearly they are too advanced for your peasant mind.

You all complain about character choice lack of customization and only 1 race for DA2...
And your beloved PST don't even give you the option to play a Female char... Lack of choice and sexism ftw.
Also you seem to be thinking you are some kind of feudal lord and you clearly live in the middle ages my Lord.

Modifié par caballero_oscuro, 08 mars 2011 - 12:13 .

[Bhatair]

I'm trying to keep an open mind.
Origins is probably my favorite RPG in recent memory, and I'm pretty much buying this one based solely on that fact. I haven't been following any of the news since it was announced (other than playing the demo) I've been keeping a pretty solid information blackout going.

But, yeah, I know it's going to be different from Origins so I'm just going to try to appreciate it for what it is and try (try. . .) not to compare it too much.

[JalenTigh]

For me, its that every bioware sequel I have ever played has been a disappointment compared to the original. Thats not to say they have been bad, just not as good.

[Lennonkun]

caballero_oscuro wrote...
You all complain about character choice lack of customization and only 1 race for DA2...
And your beloved PST don't even give you the option to play a Female char... Lack of choice and sexism ftw.
Also you seem to be thinking you are some kind of feudal lord and you clearly live in the middle ages my Lord.

PS:T makes up for it through the ability to completely sculpt TNO. The entire game is ABOUT TNO. The way he speaks, his mental state, bloody nearly everything that could be choice and conversation related you can modify. If you make TNO stupid, he WILL be stupid in his conversations.

"What can change the nature of a man?"
The entire game is finding that question and it is 100% centered upon the player and his choices. PS:T you may only be playing TNO, but it is extremely personal and I'll tell you flat out, DA2 has NOTHING on PS:T for that reason.

[AkiKishi]

JalenTigh wrote...

For me, its that every bioware sequel I have ever played has been a disappointment compared to the original. Thats not to say they have been bad, just not as good.

Including Baldurs Gate?

[Lennonkun]

JalenTigh wrote...

For me, its that every bioware sequel I have ever played has been a disappointment compared to the original. Thats not to say they have been bad, just not as good.

I love Baldur's Gate but even I'll admit BG2 is much superior. It also has one of my favorite openings ever.

LEARN FROM THE OPENING TO BG2 BIOWARE! You did correct once before! Do it again!

[poisonoustea]

DA2 looks like Devil May Cry to me. It completely lost that 'gritty' feel DA:O gave me, and the dialogue in the demo was downright horrible. Just my impression of course.

And your beloved PST don't even give you the option to play a Female char... Lack of choice and sexism ftw.

Have you ever played PS:T?

Modifié par poisonoustea, 08 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[Nuruhuine]

caballero_oscuro wrote...

Like i said before Badur's Gate is a 2D game, but yeah vinyl>cd and Beta>Blueray...
The story of Baldur's Gate was better blah blah blah... I'd better read a book.
Those PST pics look like a Visual Novel with MS-DOS graphics, how can that be better?

DA:O was a horrible, dull and boring game, if you watch the trailers and the martketing videos they were so much better, visceral and fun than the actual game.
DA2 is closer to that vision, the vision they sold us, so DA:O is not a Dragon Age game... DA2 is.

And stop comparing it videogames from the 2D era. We all know you think life was better in the medieval age but luckily for the rest of us, we live in 2011.
You are like my granma when you talk about those old games and how cool they were, "that computer thing is horrible, when i was young we used to have fun in the street and it was so much better, and toys made of wood were better than pixels".

Are you idiot? No, don't bother answering this, I already know the answer.
When did I say I thought life was better back in the middle age? Why not compare 2 games, one in 2D and one 3D if they belong to the same genre?
That you can't get into a game with outdated graphic, I can understand. But are graphics all that matters to you? Don't you actually care about the gameplay? The story? No, don't bother answering this either... Instead go buy a FFXIV account, I think it might suit you just fine.

As for old games being better, you have absolutely no clue about the games I like. Yet you throw all that crap at me like it matters. Oh the idiocy... There, just to prove you wrong and prove myself right when I said you were an idiot: I love Dead Space 1 & 2, The Witcher, Dragon Age, Crysis, Batman Arkham Asylum, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Mafia 2, Starcraft 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and the list goes on....

So yeah, my all time favorite remain BG1 & 2, but someone like you wouldn't even start to comprehend why. Let me enlight you; incredibly Epic story (and I mean it), near total freedom, great interactions between characters, lots of ways to play the game, 7 playable races, more than 40 classes (subclasses inculded), hundreds and hundreds of items, spells and different monsters (litteraly), all the AD&D most famous places to explore and famous characters to meet (Elminster, Volo, Drizzt, etc), incredibly well written dialogues and banters, lots of possible romances that even lead to having your own child, possibility to have your very own stronghold  completely different depending on the class you play, hundreds of hours of gameplay litteraly, completely unexpected twists, tons and tons of interesting subquests, incredibly charismatic companions, NPC and vilains that you hate and love at the same time, and the list goes on and on....
Give me one RPG beside Planescape Torment that can surpass that amount of quality and content?
So yes sir, graphics aren't everything in a game. I feel for you that you can't play such a game only because of graphics. A pity...

And let us be totally honest here. I well know that at the end of the day, it bowls down to personal preference when it comes down to graphics, but BG series graphics, even though they're 10 years old, always feel sharp and well drawn, especially for a game that old. They will always look that good to me, even in 10 years from here. 
In comparison, DA2 graphics will probably look like s*** in 10 years. They've nothing special about them really.
This being said, I also love crazy 3D graphics that can (try to) put my high end rig on its knees...

Oh well, I feel like I'm losing my time with you though so I'm gonna stop now. Some people, no matter how hard we try to explain, remain oblivious to the obvious.
Just wanted to make a point.

Modifié par Nuruhuine, 08 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Grunk]

OP kinda reads like a troll.

Anyways, people see stuff they dislike. I don't understand the point of talking about stuff they dislike on the forum. I mean, I guess on some level it means they're still invested and want the game to be good, but I just don't really understand going to the forum for a thing to air out my complaints; it'd be like if I walked into church and complained that God isn't real. Seems like I'm just setting myself up to meet resistance, you know?

In any case, if everyone liked the game, it'd mean that Bioware is controlling minds and gonna take over the world, so I'm glad that's not happening. Some grievances I can dig, like anger at the lack of auto-attack at launch, and some strikes me a little more like it's directed more at what's seen as a symptom of the true problem (folks who are mad they can't put armor on their companions are really mad because they feel like they're losing control and the game is more on rails, for example).

Personally, I feel like as long as Bioware doesn't make something as boring and stereotypical as Jade Empire was, I'll probably be OK with it. I think the internet just encourages hyperbole for whatever reason, and the argument has gone from "I lack confidence/have confidence in DA2," to "I HATE/LOVE BIOWARE SO MUCH OMG."

And frankly, what we all need to do is just crackdown on the people in the romance threads that are creeping on fictional characters. And by crackdown, I mean like the video game, not the phrase "crack down." That was a joke, Talimancers.

[caballero_oscuro]

Gameplay? Story?, a DND ripoff in terms of mechanics and story vs a whole new original Bioware IP, DA2 wins hands down.

Now just graphics, DA2 have full Voice overs, you can feel how the character reacts, and it's so much better than wall of text after wall of text.

FFV is a jrpg and bioware stated they are inferior so no surprise about it being bad.

DA2 is a better game, and in 10 years Bioware will still be around and make another game that will redefine the genre and evolve it.

About 2d vs 3d it's much easier to make a 100 hour wall text with 2d paint pictures than an impressive, 3d, beautifully crafted enviroment with voice overs, it's not even realistic to ask for same quantity of content when it's harder to make and more costly, the quality is so much better but i guess you don't care about that.

Seems like you want another AD&D ripoff and originality is not you thing.

About the middle age... i was refering to people like Lennonkun who goes around calling other people "peasant".

How you can say DA2 is worse than some old oudated copied junk and the horrible DAO beats me. I honestly think DA2 is a wonder of wonders.

[Curlain]

caballero_oscuro wrote...

Gameplay? Story?, a DND ripoff in terms of mechanics and story vs a whole new original Bioware IP, DA2 wins hands down.

Now just graphics, DA2 have full Voice overs, you can feel how the character reacts, and it's so much better than wall of text after wall of text.

FFV is a jrpg and bioware stated they are inferior so no surprise about it being bad.

DA2 is a better game, and in 10 years Bioware will still be around and make another game that will redefine the genre and evolve it.

About 2d vs 3d it's much easier to make a 100 hour wall text with 2d paint pictures than an impressive, 3d, beautifully crafted enviroment with voice overs, it's not even realistic to ask for same quantity of content when it's harder to make and more costly, the quality is so much better but i guess you don't care about that.

Seems like you want another AD&D ripoff and originality is not you thing.

About the middle age... i was refering to people like Lennonkun who goes around calling other people "peasant".

How you can say DA2 is worse than some old oudated copied junk and the horrible DAO beats me. I honestly think DA2 is a wonder of wonders.

To say PS:T was an AD&D ripoff, and had no originality, wow, just wow.  Try and plan the game before making comments like that please, because it does a true cRPG masterpiece no justice

[caballero_oscuro]

PS:T was a Black Isle game, i was talking about BG.

[HailTheQueen]

Personally, I believe Dragon Age 2 will not disappoint. (me, at least)
Yes, maybe the combat has been 'streamlined', or as some would call it 'dumbed down', but honestly, I didn't play Dragon Age for the combat, nor the graphics. I played for the story and the characters, and whether the art style is simple 2-d or crazy cool 3-d doesn't matter to me.

I was born not so many years ago, brought up in my early teens on yes... Halo and Gears of War. I'll admit it. But then I made the switch to BG, NWN, and PS:T. Even though the graphics were, compared to what was used to, cruddy, they became my favorite games.
Graphics aren't as big a deal as some are making it out to be... it's the CONTENT that makes a game great.

And from what I've seen so far, DA2 is ripe with complicated, interesting characters and great storytelling. So despite all the changes being made from DA:O to DA2, I'm withholding all judgement until I sit in front of the game and begin to play.

[jjbens]

i think its hard to tell but i still think its going to be amazing.

[Salaciouschicken]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

     The environments in 2D (BG series) looked so much better than anything Bioware has done recently. Yeah the little blurbs for characters was pretty funny (I can see her swords! i swear) but the environments looked great.

If anyone grew up playing games like BG2 they would know why people are so upset with DA2. That game was incredibly creative, and the world was so ****ing alive it was an achievement that I haven't seen replicated ever. The only thing that comes close (and some may hate me for this) is The Witcher.
     With a bigger budget, and more time, The Witcher 2 should be perfect. Dragon Age: Origins is the next one on my list, but there was a kind of seperation between the game and the lore, and the combat was lacking, but it's heart was in the right place. DA2...looks like they just said "**** it, lets focus on combat, throw out everything we learned from DAO and focus on the 'let me hop in and smash everything I can for 40 minutes before work' crowd." This game isn't geared to hardcore rpgers, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I am both a casual and hardcore gamer at times. The thing is for someone like me, who is mostly a part time gamer, a game where I can spend hours completely drawn in is hard to find, and Bioware is no longer the last bastion for truly creative gaming.

[Nuruhuine]

Ok, so I got to play the game.
How long did I play it exactly? About 15 hours or so.

If I had to give it a score, I'd say it would be around 6/10 or 7/10 at best.
The game has been "consolized" to boot. A shame.

I already knew about some of the following changes, but I was REALLY disappointed nonetheless when I started playing:

- No race choice... which is understandable considering it tells Hawke tale and the main character is fully voiced. But it brings another issue: you can't get inside the character as if YOU were the main character of the story like in DA.O. You just follow the story of a guy named Hawke and that's about it... (excellent voice acting by the way)
- The story is unfocused and incredibly linear. The questing is still decent, but the story is somewhat boring, it lacks the epic feel of DA.O.
- No tactical view is complete let down. I just can't figure out why, for the life of me, Bioware decided to take that off the PC version. It had a purpose, everyone loved it. It frustated me to no end while I was playing. Inconciously, I was rolling the mouse wheel, but all in vain. Such a disappointment.
- There's no spell combo like there used to be. Instead you have skill combos between two classes, so to speak. I don't think it's a bad thing, but why remove the spell combos that made DA.O such an awesome game? I wouldn't know.
- Speaking of the spells, I can safely say that about 95% of them are identical to their DA.O counterparts. They can be improved by putting points into upgrades, but they're the same... With the rest of the stuff they oversimplified or completely removed, I'd say it drags the game down more than anything else.
- The inventory management has been simplified to suit a 4 years old kid... The only things you can manage for the companions are the accessories (rings, belt and necklace) and the weapons.
You can't touch their boots, gloves, chest piece / robe, helm (which they don't wear btw). It really frustrate me to have such a promising franchise dumbed down in such a way. Items are very few, especially when you go visit the vendors.... They have like less than a dozen of items that you can choose from total.
- The crafting has been oversimplified as well...
- The game plays mostly in the huge city of Kirkwall... I say huge, but at the same time, there are like 8 big areas that you can explore in that town... Yes, I'm serious. If you count in the places where your companions live, you have about 12. And outside of Kirkwall, you have that mountain where you get the occasional subquest with about 3 or 4 big areas to explore...
So if you count the big areas (similar in size to the Dalish forest in DA.O), you have just above 10. Except that they are much smaller than in DA.O, and that the caves, and other similar smaller places all have the EXACT SAME map that you get to visit countless times to complete all the subquests... what a joke.


A couple days ago, a moderator of this forum gave me some BS stating that the devs decide what the game should be like. I don't like the devs trying to hold my hand and help me decide what my companions should wear when it comes to inventory management. I don't live the devs inexplicably replacing all the good features of DA.O with crap or removing them altogether. I don't like the devs making a completely linear story that I just can't care about. I don't live the devs being complacent and making a handful of maps for the entirety of the game, I don't like the devs keeping almost half the musics from DA.O in DA2 (a couple, I could understand), I don't like the devs telling me which race I should play, and the list goes on and on....


So is the game all bad? Of course not.
As I said above, the voice acting is fantastic, the banters between characters are somewhat funny.
The combat feels frantic if a bit over the top. The new animations, especially for casters, are nice to look at. The new musical score is not bad, but forgetable in my opinion. The graphics have improved over DA.O and the spell effects are nice, but let's be franc, it's nothing to be amazed at, even with DX11 very high settings and all the options cranked up to the max.

Overall, this sequel is a HUGE let down. All the good stuff that made DA.O such an amazing experience has been either changed for the worst, or removed completely. I feel very frustrated, even more so because I was expecting that game since a long time.

Remember how people used to joke about Fallout 3, saying that it would be like Oblivion, but with guns? Well, I can safely say that DA2 is a ME game, but with a medieval setting...  Don't get me wrong, I love the ME series, I finished both the 1 and 2 multiple times, but why trying to transform DA into a ME game? It just doesn't fit. It makes no sense whatsoever, especially because DA.O was hugely successful.


Something I'm sure of: not only will I not buy this game, but I will also recommend all my friends as well as some other people I know not to buy it. There is no other way to show Bioware my frustration, and to teach them not to mess up their franchise again simply to sell more to console players.

A pity really.

Modifié par Nuruhuine, 09 mars 2011 - 07:46 .

[Nuruhuine]

Edit: double post.

Modifié par Nuruhuine, 09 mars 2011 - 07:36 .

[BillyDeeWilliams]

I hear you bro, why try to make DA like ME?

I love both but they're two separate styles of games one is a tactical party based strategy rpg and one is a action shooter rpg. The tactical party based strategy rpg just doesn't translate well to consoles they need to just accept this and work on making the best crpg possible and worry about the port to consoles later.

[jjbens]

i was wrong i have no faith in the game its just bad

[Kusy]

I laughed a little.

[Lotto]

jjbens wrote...

i was wrong i have no faith in the game its just bad

hahaha