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[Hunter-Wolf]

Merced652 wrote...

Hunter-Wolf wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there are people who don't think his VO sounds "badass" or that people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Having characters with no voices in any modern RPG game is an atrocity really

Do you always torpedo your own arguments like this?

Yeah .. i guess so

[ArcanistLibram]

People assume that because DAO came out first, it's a perfect game and every other Dragon Age game must be exactly like it.

[Hekynn]

TJPags wrote...

Some people simply don't like the changes that were made.

It's that simple.

Agreed! I like the changes they did and plus we get DX11 so that makes the game look even better!

[Bryy_Miller]

Merced652 wrote...
 people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Hey. That's completely uncalled for. 

[Sparda Stonerule]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
 people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Hey. That's completely uncalled for. 

Well if you look at the thread the people who don't like the changes are the ones being the most rude. Like the guy who said Learn to (explative deleted) and stop being a (explative deleted). They also deride any changes made as selective choices made to alienate them. They also say some things are less sophisticated. Even though the talent tree is a lot more nuanced than the talent progression from Origins. 

All I know is the people in the dissapointed camp tend to mock people who like the game and tend to insult and disregarde the people who happen to like the game. So what he said as being completely uncalled for was, but they don't care because they know they are right and this game isn't as good as previous Bioware titles.

So I guess we'll just enjoy the game for what it is and have fun even if we don't like everything.

[Merced652]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
 people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Hey. That's completely uncalled for. 

Given the context and the person i was quoting? No, i'd say it was appropriate.

Modifié par Merced652, 07 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Sabariel]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
 people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Hey. That's completely uncalled for. 

Well if you look at the thread the people who don't like the changes are the ones being the most rude. Like the guy who said Learn to (explative deleted) and stop being a (explative deleted). They also deride any changes made as selective choices made to alienate them. They also say some things are less sophisticated. Even though the talent tree is a lot more nuanced than the talent progression from Origins. 

All I know is the people in the dissapointed camp tend to mock people who like the game and tend to insult and disregarde the people who happen to like the game. So what he said as being completely uncalled for was, but they don't care because they know they are right and this game isn't as good as previous Bioware titles.

So I guess we'll just enjoy the game for what it is and have fun even if we don't like everything.

Rudeness is rampant on both sides. To suggest otherwise is silly.

[Merced652]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
 people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Hey. That's completely uncalled for. 

Well if you look at the thread the people who don't like the changes are the ones being the most rude. Like the guy who said Learn to (explative deleted) and stop being a (explative deleted). They also deride any changes made as selective choices made to alienate them. They also say some things are less sophisticated. Even though the talent tree is a lot more nuanced than the talent progression from Origins. 

All I know is the people in the dissapointed camp tend to mock people who like the game and tend to insult and disregarde the people who happen to like the game. So what he said as being completely uncalled for was, but they don't care because they know they are right and this game isn't as good as previous Bioware titles.

So I guess we'll just enjoy the game for what it is and have fun even if we don't like everything.

lol wut?

Doomsayers trying to get some attention.
There's a reason why game designers get paid, and wannabes go to the forums.

Get over it. The dialogue wheel looks awesome and is just like the ME series.

Are you a mute? If not then why would you not enjoy your character having a badass voice that trumps your own by comparision?

Yea bro.

[N0touchi]

sassperella wrote...

People don't like change. They loved DA:O and want this one to be identical. I'll wait til I play it before judgement, though I enjoyed the demo.

[TJPags]

Hunter-Wolf wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there are people who don't think his VO sounds "badass" or that people might prefer to read(i know this is hard) a line with their own inflection?

Having characters with no voices in any modern game is an atrocity really .. unless you have a very damn good reason (simple game that needs no voice acting .. i.e puzzle platrofmer / no money to get Voice Actor.. etc etc) ...  it just isn't excusable anymore ... and i played lots of silent RPGs .. but at least they were consistent .. all characters had no voices (most old JRPGs) and it usually for saving disk space or just following JRPG tradition ... but having the main character silent and everyone else and their grandmother speakng out loud and replying to your eternal silence by reading your mind  was absolutely silly (didn't know all DA inhabitants were psychics) ... and no it doesn't make me feel like i'm the character like some people say .. having control over the characters looks and actions does .. not making it mute.

And if i want to read that badly i can read the codex entries .. or better .. go read a book.

You must have really depised DAO then, huh? 

Hunter-Wolf wrote...

TJPags wrote...
So stop being such a hater.

Coming from a hater (who hates a game for attmpeting something fresh) i won't take that advice seriously 

See, there's the thing.  I don't hate the game.  Haven't played it yet.  See, I wait to play a game before deciding if I hate it.

However, I do know that I dislike certain of the wonderful (according to most people here) features it has.  I still have hopes that it has a redeeming storyline.

[Layn]

TJPags wrote...

Is it so hard for people to accept that some people simply do not like the changes made?

Why must it be a "People fear change?" or a "it's not exactly like Origins" thing.

As an example, I don't like the paraphrase system/dialogue wheel, don't like the carthwheeling rogue combat and the leaping warrior combat. These two things have NOTHING to do with DA2 not being like DAO, except for the fact that DAO didn't have these things. Fallout New Vegas doesn't have them either. Does that mean I dislike DA2 because it's not like FNV?

No, it simply means I don't like dialogue wheels/paraphrase covnersation systems, and I don't like combat that looks like a circus. I don't like them in ANY game.

Please, it's not always a "they changed DA:O!! Those ****s!!" issue. And I wish people would stop acting like it was.

this. this, a thousand times this.

although... well... in my case it's "they changed DA:O!" (one exclamation mark), since i actually like and/or don't mind those things. But i've got other games and game franchises that do those things and i like them less, so i'd like the Dragon Age series to stay as it was and improve what it had, instead of changing most of it completely (at least the main one. i'd actually love if there was an action spinoff). yesyes the combat in a way is better, but imho they went too speed crazy. as for using tactic in combat... it seems like it's no longer a big element, but we'll see further into the game.
So yeah "they changed DA:O! Those ... whatever-swearword-TJPags-used! i will never have an experience like that again... *sigh* oh well, i'll make the best of it. DA2 should be some fun regardless. oh heck someone on the forum is saying that my opinion is wrong and DA2 is for a fact better than DA:O in every way without considering that other people might like other things, i have to reply! oh no! i'm locked in an angry discussion where both sides sound like whiners, even though i'm not really angry at Bioware for the changes! Oh it's a vicious cycle! if only i knew a way to stop pressing F5 and close somehow my web browser!"

[Travie]

For some weird reason this makes me want to play it more, to at least see how must I end up liking--or hating--the new system.

As long as it doesn't hurt my immersion or replay value I'm gellin.

[Forsakerr]

So they called the ME2 team and asked them for tips on how to remove more RPG in the game so we'd have more action and less RPG stuff like no more equipping your team mates and all ? I did not follow DA2 at all but enough to pre order to get the limited edition, so i just found out with this thread that we can't equip our party members and it's a big let down as it was in ME2 , i'm fine with the voiced over hero though but cant equip our dudes? (party members) Man, i'm disappointed are we getting more of EA's taint into Bioware so their game will get less quality with time ? Next thing i'll know DA2 or sequels are gonna turn out as hack and slash with little to no story in it ...

[da0Xeffect]

Obviously the hate comes from all the changes. If they made the game exactly like DA:O I'd still be playing the sequel. One thing that is consistent is the world that Bioware created which I love and will continue to follow.

[AlexXIV]

jjbens wrote...

After watching the trailers and playing the demo for DA2 i dont see why everyone thinks the games going suck i know its a major change from the first game. I loved the way the first game was but i still like the new game i think they made risky changes but changes that best help the game thats jsut my thoughts anyway.

I don't think it will suck, but it is obvious that they only do as much RPG as necessary. So it is kinda a story based action game with RPG elements.

So since I mostly only play RPGs I am not sure how long I will follow if Bioware is gonna keep going this direction. I'll probably see the DA franchise through since I started and want to see how it ends. But if they come up with something new in the future I'll have some thinking to do about Bioware and what they represent.

[hankscorpio21]

Demo was enough for me to know the game will be mediocre. Cancelled my pre-order right after playing it.

[Hunter-Wolf]

hankscorpio21 wrote...

Demo was enough for me to know the game will be mediocre. Cancelled my pre-order right after playing it.

Game is far from medicore (according to my own experiance with the demo and the few reviews already out there .. i.e PC Gamer) ... it had responsive well choreograhped combat and lots of tactics avalible (specially enjoyed setting up tactics for the entrie team and seeing how effective it is in the heat of battle) .. and reading the sheets that explain the dialog/alignment system and rival/friend system made me certain they are a sure improvment over the old systems in DA:O .. well .. but for each his own .. your loss .. you could still get it from the bargin bin later when its cheaper .. i know you will 

TJPags wrote...
You must have really depised DAO then, huh?

Not really .. it just felt very awkward and rough around the edges in many aspects (Overly time consuming menu/item management / Unresponsive combat / No voice for main character !!? / Generic fantasy art style)..  and while i admit DA:O is an excellent game these things turned me off .. that's why i appreciate the changes made in DA2 a lot ... eventhough i have to admit i'll miss being able to play all races and exploring a large world (maybe in DA3 we get the best of both DA1 and DA2)

Modifié par Hunter-Wolf, 07 mars 2011 - 06:46 .

[sonofalich]

i'm excited but after playing the demo the game feels very awkward.

[The_Wonder_of_Thedas]

Malja wrote...

My only issue with this game ever? Around the time we figured out the Warden was finished.

Spoiler much?

[Buffy-Summers]

The mage nerfs

The healing nerfs

The changes to companions

The changes to combat

The change to the Protagonist

The game makes DAO look like The Bard's Tales

And by that i mean a real rpg

[Seblin]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Mellakim]

The fact that you have to buy the expansion to finish the main quest is pretty ****ty by any standards

[The Greye Hawke]

I haven't lost faith. I loved DA:O and everything about it. And DA2 looks just as good even with changes. Its a different game, not Dragon Age Origins 2 but Dragon Age 2. I feel its good to see this world from another view, one you can change the way they look.

Modifié par The Greye Hawke, 07 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[Dharren]

sassperella wrote...

People don't like change. They loved DA:O and want this one to be identical. I'll wait til I play it before judgement, though I enjoyed the demo.

Actually, they just wanted to see DAII build on it's strengths. Instead, it reduced those values and appears to have moved toward a more generic mass model.

Disagree with it if you will. But let's be honest, it has little to do with "change", but more to do with the *type* of changes.

DAO was wildly successful, and that wasn't because of all the hype, but because word got out that underneath that hype was a fairly solid and deep RPG.

Sure, change the story, change the engine, change the locations, whatever... mix it up for variety..But why move away from the core components when it was successful and move it toward another niche (action/adventure) and alienate many of your customers?

[-Zorph-]

I personally found the combat in DA:O a tad stale.

When playing the DA2 demo I was pleasantly surprised by the changes, and while I will admit; as a previous poster has said it does kind of look a bit over-the-top 'circus-y'.

But that doesn't institute a game breaker by any means, it just is a change I will have to get used to. One thing about it is it does spice up the combat a bit with the flashier animations and faster paced feel. I just absolutely love how it feels in combat now, and in DA:O I sometimes found combat boring and repetitive. Granted, after awhile DA2 combat will probably feel repetitive, that is generally the case in games you play for long periods of time.

I am so excited for DA2, and I am having a hard time keeping myself sane these next 24-36 hours.
I know changes are generally viewed upon negatively, especially to something that is conceived as perfect or successful to start. However, change is not always bad. Change can be a fresh spin on a franchise that revives your drive to play and inspires you to play again and again.

Without change, we would be playing (hate myself for this reference but...) something along the lines of CoD where it's rehashed exact same gameplay year after year. If there isn't change, the sequel is pointless as it isn't a sequel but just a series of expansions that would become bitter, repetitive, and downright boring to play.

DA2 change may be viewed bad by some, but while they are on these forums complaining about how Rogues roll and jump more in combat, I will be experiencing a fabulous time taking Darkspawn heads and marching onwards in the world of Dragon Age that I have quite simply fallen in love with.

DA2 is not for everyone, but neither was DA:O. There are always going to be people who dislike certain changes, and to contrast that; there are those who are in love with those changes.

I am the latter.

Modifié par -Zorph-, 07 mars 2011 - 07:19 .