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[potatooverdose]

It's not the fact that there is change that worries people, its what was changed that worries people.
Let me give an analogy for the more "casual" part of the bioware community: Lets make a "streamlined" mass effect 3. Imagine, for a moment that the following changes happened in ME3:

Only 3 classes, Soldier, Adept, and Infiltrator. The other three (vanguard, sentinel, engineer) were "streamlined". Furthermore, soldiers could only use Assault rifles and shotguns (no sniper rifles allowed) and there was no way to receive further weapons training.

What? These changes seem completely unnecessary and ridiculous? Hold on to that feeling. That's how much of the DA:O user base feels atm. Look at some of the changes in DA:2: No origins, so only 3 playable characters. Warriors no longer have access to Archery (which with arrow of slaying WAS sniping in DA:O and awakening) or Dual Weapons.

I'm not going to compare/list all of the changes that were made in DA2 that are looked upon unfavorably by some, others have done that before me, and still others will do that after me.

I just imposed the changes made on the available selection of character choices and changes made to a single class onto another game with which the "casual" part of the community is more familliar to make a simple point: change for the sake of change is not a good thing. Especially when marketing people call it "streamlining" (nine times out of ten streamlining == cutting out features and selling the end product for the same price).

Modifié par potatooverdose, 07 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[Lennonkun]

Zeroed55 wrote...
Pfft. Misinformed posts like this make me sick.

We all know Dragon Age 3 will be a puzzle game.

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"

[Zeroed55]

Lennonkun wrote...
"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"

I'd buy it.

[MonkeyLungs]

People don't like change. People don't like change. Blah blah blah. Have all of you people attended the same Bioboards Response Seiminar or something?

People deal with change all the time. Gamers especially have adaptabilities towards change, in specific regards to gaming systems. Games and gaming systems change all the time. It is not the CHANGE itself that is the issue. It is the 'quality of lack thereof' that is being questioned.

Streamline = dumbdown = more accessable.

[the_darkness]

Well the fact is that self proclaimed hardcore rpg players have to show how hardcore they are and most of their soultions involve crying like little children, go figure.

[pezit]

Shiroukai wrote...

I hope DA3 will a fighting game, or better yet a race game! So then I can tell all the people who believe DA2 the awesomeness of the galaxy, to just accept the changes, that they shouldnt be afraid of it.

I was gonna type something similar, but seriously those who brings up the "afraid of change" argument are so stupid i don't think they can wrap their head around the word subjective.

[Curlain]

Lennonkun wrote...

Zeroed55 wrote...
Pfft. Misinformed posts like this make me sick.

We all know Dragon Age 3 will be a puzzle game.

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"

What bonuses will this Maid outfit give?  Maybe it could improve backstabs due to the distraction effect 

[Guitar-Hero]

the_darkness wrote...

Well the fact is that self proclaimed hardcore rpg players have to show how hardcore they are and most of their soultions involve crying like little children, go figure.

This^

[Lennonkun]

Curlain wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

Zeroed55 wrote...
Pfft. Misinformed posts like this make me sick.

We all know Dragon Age 3 will be a puzzle game.

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"

What bonuses will this Maid outfit give?  Maybe it could improve backstabs due to the distraction effect 

No no no no, There is no combat. That was streamlined. You just have a selection of 3 choices now that indicate your action.

[MonkeyLungs]

the_darkness wrote...

Well the fact is that self proclaimed hardcore rpg players have to show how hardcore they are and most of their soultions involve crying like little children, go figure.

You sir, make absolutely no sense. Are you crying about people crying?

[graciegrace]

haters gonna hate
lovers gonna love

can't please everyone

Bioware made it a certain way, if someone hates it, it REALLY doesn't matter because it won't change how the game was made nor will it change the opinion of those who don't like it. If you don't like it, it's really your perogative.

*flame shield up* From the demo, I honestly thought it was a lot better than DAO, which had a great story but like, the worst gameplay I have ever experienced.

[Curlain]

[quote]Lennonkun wrote...

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"
[/quote]

What bonuses will this Maid outfit give?  Maybe it could improve backstabs due to the distraction effect 

[/quote]

No no no no, There is no combat. That was streamlined. You just have a selection of 3 choices now that indicate your action.
[/quote]

so 
1 - pretend to strip, but backstab them instead
2 - actually strip then backstab them
3 - strip, sleep with them, then backstab them afterwards

Hmm would look kinda funny on my male rogues, but it could be amusing 

[keginkc]

This is the internet. If it wasn't for people going batpoop crazy about how everything sucks, there wouldn't be anything going on at all.

[AkiKishi]

Lennonkun wrote...
You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"

They already have fellatio won't be long before it's just like eroge.

[Lennonkun]

graciegrace wrote...
From the demo, I honestly thought it was a lot better than DAO, which had a great story but like, the worst gameplay I have ever experienced.

You clearly have never played a real RPG.

[MonkeyLungs]

graciegrace wrote...

haters gonna hate
lovers gonna love

can't please everyone

Bioware made it a certain way, if someone hates it, it REALLY doesn't matter because it won't change how the game was made nor will it change the opinion of those who don't like it. If you don't like it, it's really your perogative.

*flame shield up* From the demo, I honestly thought it was a lot better than DAO, which had a great story but like, the worst gameplay I have ever experienced.

The gameplay in the demo is exactly what made me NOT pre-order. I found it quite rubbish, very spasmatic and nowhere near as cool as DAO.  To each their own I 'spose.

[Lennonkun]

[quote]Curlain wrote...

[quote]Lennonkun wrote...

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"
[/quote]

What bonuses will this Maid outfit give?  Maybe it could improve backstabs due to the distraction effect 

[/quote]

No no no no, There is no combat. That was streamlined. You just have a selection of 3 choices now that indicate your action.
[/quote]

so 
1 - pretend to strip, but backstab them instead
2 - actually strip then backstab them
3 - strip, sleep with them, then backstab them afterwards

Hmm would look kinda funny on my male rogues, but it could be amusing 

[/quote]

You still aren't getting it. These chocies are much too complicated. Remember! STREAMLINE! Gotta make things simple!

1. Ask on date
2. Act awkward
3. Rape

The Maid outfit also is of course for dressing up the love interests after you have already completed their route.

[graciegrace]

Lennonkun wrote...

graciegrace wrote...
From the demo, I honestly thought it was a lot better than DAO, which had a great story but like, the worst gameplay I have ever experienced.

You clearly have never played a real RPG.

you're right, and from DAO, it's not really for me.  Although, I pretty much generally suck at video games and only play for the stories.

[Curlain]

[quote]Lennonkun wrote...

[quote]Curlain wrote...

[quote]Lennonkun wrote...

You're all wrong. It'll be a dating sim.

"Since so many fans like the romances, we have decided to streamline the game by removing everything except for the romances! Romance virginal girl next door types and more! Preorder now and get a special DLC Maid outfit!"
[/quote]

What bonuses will this Maid outfit give?  Maybe it could improve backstabs due to the distraction effect 

[/quote]

No no no no, There is no combat. That was streamlined. You just have a selection of 3 choices now that indicate your action.
[/quote]

so 
1 - pretend to strip, but backstab them instead
2 - actually strip then backstab them
3 - strip, sleep with them, then backstab them afterwards

Hmm would look kinda funny on my male rogues, but it could be amusing 

[/quote]

You still aren't getting it. These chocies are much too complicated. Remember! STREAMLINE! Gotta make things simple!

1. Ask on date
2. Act awkward
3. Rape

The Maid outfit also is of course for dressing up the love interests after you have already completed their route.
[/quote]

But we still get a backstab somewhere right?  *thinks* hmmm I guess we might at that, nvm then this streamlined sim has made this Maid outfit seem much less interesting 

[kaidran]

Biotic Budah wrote...

I think that with all the changes they've made in for DA2 it's almost like it's not a true sequel. You have a framed narrative, Qunari have horns, you don't have your Warden nor can you play as another race. Those are just a few of the big changes. DA:O was RPG of the year, and many are going to be of the opinion "Why fix what ain't broke?".

I think if you approach this game not as a sequel, but as a game based on the Dragon Age Universe you will appreciate it more. That way when things are not familiar it's no big deal, and when they are it's a pleasant surprise. Bioware has always had great writers, so I am looking forward to the story if anything.

The changes seem similar to the streamlining done between Mass Effect and ME2. ME2 got game of the year. Why shoot for just RPG of the year?

[Well]

Well I am going to wait to play the game.The demo didn't impress me but it is just a demo.So it really doesn't make sense to judge the game by it.DAO was the best RPG I have played in years.I hope that DA2 isn't way off the mark in the RPG aspect.I wont know till I play it.

[LucyferInfinity]

To be honest i expected way more from the sequel.
Baldurs Gate was awesome game and when sequel was released we got bigger world (+), more gameplay time(+), more items(+), more dialogues(+), better graphics (higher res)(+), more clases and races to choose from(+) etc. and people were happy about it. Thats how a sequel should look like in my opinion.
Dragon Age Origins was awesome game but now sequel is coming and we get smaller world(-), less gameplay time(-), less items(-), less dialogues(-), slightly improved graphics(+), less races to choose from(-) etc. Thats definatelly not how a proper sequel should be in my opinion.
I believe thats why some people including myself are unhappy and lack faith in DA2.

Modifié par LucyferInfinity, 07 mars 2011 - 05:07 .

[Beaynid]

my main annoyance with the game is pretty much the conversation wheel. if the character actually said what you selected, i wouldnt care if its voiced or not. but instead, you select something and he says another line similar but still not what you choose. it feels more like im a director dealing with an actor that likes to adlib, instead of being the character in the story. And that definately reduces my immersion level into the story from being the character out to being behind the character trying to get them to say what i want.

The combat is a bit flashy but i can get used to that. not being able to change armors on my companions i dont really mind(in a way i like it because they are their own people and are just tagging along with me for the ride). darkspawn reskins i can deal with although i keep expecting them to start shouting 'dead by dawn, dead by dawn!'. The skill trees look better to me.

So i like or can live with alot of the changes, but the voiced protagonist that says what it wants with me cutting cues lowers the immersion level instead of increasing it. I know in the new tech age, people are supposed to have 0 imagination or creativity(just look at hollywood who has an original thought only once or twice in the last 6 years( down from 3-4 ot in the 6 years before that)
But for people who actually still have an imagination and hear the protagonists voice in threir heads given with non-game vo protagonist chat selections, the convo wheel cue cards are a bad design choice.

Thank you for your time and have fun

[TJPags]

Well wrote...

Well I am going to wait to play the game.The demo didn't impress me but it is just a demo.So it really doesn't make sense to judge the game by it.DAO was the best RPG I have played in years.I hope that DA2 isn't way off the mark in the RPG aspect.I wont know till I play it.

I understand what you're saying, and clearly most of us are waiting for the game to make a final decision.

But the point of the demo - any demo - is to give you an idea of what you're getting.  So while you're correct that you maybe can't judge the whole game by the demo, you should be able to make a preliminary decision.  At least, that's my opinion on it.

[Wolfy2449]

removing rpg elements and making more simple so a 5 year old can play it DEGRADES GAMEPLAY.. not that many ppl care since they mostly go omg cool graphicz, omgz mage attackz cooooooolz