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[Avilan II]

I fully understand those who can articulate and argue their case. Taste is individual after all.

What I can't stand is two things.
The first is the pure bile that some that are disappointed spew over those of us who are excited. To repeatedly claim that we are (mildly put) intellectually sub-par is a mild summarize of those "arguments".
The second is the tinfoilers who refuse to believe that these were Bioware's own decisions and EA was not holding a gun to the lead designer's head.

[thrashmental]

Am I the only one who's bored with DA:O and are really looking forward to DA2.

I can't manage to play though DAO anymore.

[Chob]

thrashmental wrote...

Am I the only one who's bored with DA:O and are really looking forward to DA2.

I can't manage to play though DAO anymore.

Well... in DAO I was like : zzz....
In DA2 demo after the first fight : WOOHOO!

[thrashmental]

Chob wrote...

thrashmental wrote...

Am I the only one who's bored with DA:O and are really looking forward to DA2.

I can't manage to play though DAO anymore.

Well... in DAO I was like : zzz....
In DA2 demo after the first fight : WOOHOO!

Yea exacly...I loved the story in DAO but the combats... maaaan it was slow and boring.
And of course there are alot of other flaws.

I had way more fun with the demo of DA2. As long as the story is great I will love the game.

[JEMEDAOME2]

Just for continuity's sake I recently finished a Dalish elf playthough I started about 2 months ago (I got caught up playing Battlefield Bad Company 2) I then immediately went and played the DA2 Demo and as far I'm concerned the pros far outweigh the cons.

Better map check, Voiced PC check, quicker combat check, nicer visuals check. You get the idea, No matter many people whine about losing the warden he/she was never a complete character, Hell sandal had more character than my best wardens as did most of the DAO co cast

Modifié par JEMEDAOME2, 07 mars 2011 - 09:42 .

[AriftaRockas]

The only people who don't have confidence in this game are idiots and/or fanboys.
Enough said

[TJPags]

Avilan II wrote...

I fully understand those who can articulate and argue their case. Taste is individual after all.

What I can't stand is two things.
The first is the pure bile that some that are disappointed spew over those of us who are excited. To repeatedly claim that we are (mildly put) intellectually sub-par is a mild summarize of those "arguments".
The second is the tinfoilers who refuse to believe that these were Bioware's own decisions and EA was not holding a gun to the lead designer's head.

You know, that's completely fair.  People screaming that the sky is falling over DA2 bother me also, and I often agree with their complaints.  It's as bad to me as the people who attack all complaints as haters and trolls.

I think we can agree that civil discourse is best, even when we have differing points of view.

That in mind, this thread has been remarkably civil, for the most part, and for that, I think we all deserve some credit.

Or cake.  One of the two. 

[Nuruhuine]

(Just in case I get flammed about the grammar or else, I'm not an English native speaker)

Alright, so this is where I'm supposed to post if I'm disappointed about DA2 since my thread just got closed.

My complaints are:

- No race selection, only human.
- Almost no world exploration as most of the story unfolds in Kirkwall...
(except a couple of trips to the Deep Roads and to a Dailish Camp). And with the lack of different areas to explore comes a lot of linearity.
- No Tactical PoV, which makes for a more action oriented way to play...
- Close to no gear management for companions. Just incredible, and not in a good way.
- Dialogue selection made via a ME wheel kind of thing, complete with all the little faces and whatnot...
- The game has a strong action RPG feel to it, it doesn't feel like an RPG anymore. Rogues
disappear like ninjas to instantly reappear behind their opponents... Mages do their basic combo in a fancy way, much like a monk would with a stick in martial arts, very unlikely if you think of them as library rats, studying arcanes all day their asses stuck on a chair...
- The graphics. They just barely improved upon that of DA.O. Nothing to boast about really.


According to Bioware, I'm "a few month late to the party". Maybe so. But unlike Bioware employees, I can't spend my days my ass riveted on a chair in front of a screen, surfing the internet. That is why I just learned about most of these changes to the franchise like a couple of days ago.

Again according to Bioware employees, What the franchise should be like is up to the designers and developpers, which makes sense, in a way... It just saddens me because with DA.O,  they created my second favorite RPG of all time (the 1st being the Baldur's Gate franchise) and according to me, they butchered the franchise with DA2.
Let the truth be told here, as a company you need to make money, and that's it. That is the **real** bottom line. All the changes listed above are there to make DA2 a more streamlined experience. To please the most people possible. You can say whatever you want about this, that the devs decide and whatnot... But at the end of the day, you've just made a water downed version of DA.O. Not worthy to be called a sequel. Even less worthy to be called a Dragon Age game.


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So yeah, maybe the devs decided to make these changes, but only because the company share holders yanked on their leash a bit too hard. Money, money, money....
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2 things I know for sure:
I still think Bioware capable of making excellent RPG games. They just missed out on this one.... Too bad.
I won't be sitting at the edge of my seat waiting for the IGN or gamespot review of the game. I won't be buying DA2. Instead, I'll borrow it. It just isn't worth my cash.

This being said, yes it is my opinion and I'm entitled to it, as you all are.
All of you out there thinking that this is the (so called) RPG of the decade, be my guest, go get your fun.

Personnally, and as funny as it might sound, I reinstalled BG2+ToB and just started a new game. For having made that game alone, Bioware still remains one of my favorite gaming company today.

Modifié par Nuruhuine, 07 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[thrashmental]

That's good keep playing the games you like and good luck finding a new one like it

[IronVanguard]

When, since other people have got all the other points.

Is it bad I didn't really mind DAO's combat, or what? Seemed fine to me.

Got to agree about Alpha Protocol too, very nice game. Shame about the problems that Reviewers dug into.

[Nuruhuine]

There's no game like Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II, trash.
DA.O is an excellent game, but it still can't compete in my opinion.
DA2 is.... well... I don't really know. However, I know what it's not: a Dragon Age game.

Modifié par Nuruhuine, 07 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[thrashmental]

Nuruhuine wrote...

There's no game like Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II, trash.
DA.O is an excellent game, but it still can't compete in my opinion.
DA2 is.... well... I don't really know. However, I know what it's not: a Dragon Age game.

I was too young to get into BG and BGII I played some but didn't get hooked. But I agree that's a great game certainly in that time.
I disagree about it not being a dragon age game...it's set in that world, it's developed by bioware. They say if it's a dragon age game of not.
Me myself never play games of old. They bore me, always seem out of date and I always miss all the improvments that has been made over the years in all the different genres

Modifié par thrashmental, 07 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[TJPags]

IronVanguard wrote...

When, since other people have got all the other points.

Is it bad I didn't really mind DAO's combat, or what? Seemed fine to me.

Got to agree about Alpha Protocol too, very nice game. Shame about the problems that Reviewers dug into.

I didn't mind it either.  Might be part of the issue I have with DA2, I dunno.

Can I add, as a reason for lack of faith, the fact that they forgot to put the auto-attack codes into the console versions?  Forgot.  smh

[thrashmental]

TJPags wrote...

IronVanguard wrote...

When, since other people have got all the other points.

Is it bad I didn't really mind DAO's combat, or what? Seemed fine to me.

Got to agree about Alpha Protocol too, very nice game. Shame about the problems that Reviewers dug into.

I didn't mind it either.  Might be part of the issue I have with DA2, I dunno.

Can I add, as a reason for lack of faith, the fact that they forgot to put the auto-attack codes into the console versions?  Forgot.  smh

That is quite the blunder I must say. Why would someone prefer to button mash over click and attack...

[Nuruhuine]

I totally respect your PoV trash.
I've played video games for as long as they've existed, so perhaps I have a high tolerance towards games with outdated graphics. I understand however, that other, younger people don't.
As for DA2 not **really** being a Dragon Age game, it is my opinion. It pains me to say so though.

[IronVanguard]

As far as I've heard, they will patch it back in. They have it, just it was made late and they forgot it in the production version that was printed.

[Naitaka]

Ahh why does this remind me of Hellgate London magical internal build where everything works perfectly?

[thrashmental]

Nuruhuine wrote...

I totally respect your PoV trash.
I've played video games for as long as they've existed, so perhaps I have a high tolerance towards games with outdated graphics. I understand however, that other, younger people don't.
As for DA2 not **really** being a Dragon Age game, it is my opinion. It pains me to say so though.

I've played games all my life as well, and sure...I do play older console games from time to time but for some reason I can't do it with PC games. It's just a thing I have always following technology and keeping up with the latest hardware and software and games.

But of course I respect your opinion. DA2 won't be for everyone and I'm sad you're disappointed

[thrashmental]

IronVanguard wrote...

As far as I've heard, they will patch it back in. They have it, just it was made late and they forgot it in the production version that was printed.

Yea that's true. Silly thing to miss though

[AngelicMachinery]

thrashmental wrote...

TJPags wrote...

IronVanguard wrote...

When, since other people have got all the other points.

Is it bad I didn't really mind DAO's combat, or what? Seemed fine to me.

Got to agree about Alpha Protocol too, very nice game. Shame about the problems that Reviewers dug into.

I didn't mind it either.  Might be part of the issue I have with DA2, I dunno.

Can I add, as a reason for lack of faith, the fact that they forgot to put the auto-attack codes into the console versions?  Forgot.  smh

That is quite the blunder I must say. Why would someone prefer to button mash over click and attack...

 I like the constant button pressing to attack,  I'm not sure why...  but I like it.  

[thrashmental]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

thrashmental wrote...

TJPags wrote...

IronVanguard wrote...

When, since other people have got all the other points.

Is it bad I didn't really mind DAO's combat, or what? Seemed fine to me.

Got to agree about Alpha Protocol too, very nice game. Shame about the problems that Reviewers dug into.

I didn't mind it either.  Might be part of the issue I have with DA2, I dunno.

Can I add, as a reason for lack of faith, the fact that they forgot to put the auto-attack codes into the console versions?  Forgot.  smh

That is quite the blunder I must say. Why would someone prefer to button mash over click and attack...

 I like the constant button pressing to attack,  I'm not sure why...  but I like it.  

Keeps you alert? haha

[TJPags]

IronVanguard wrote...

As far as I've heard, they will patch it back in. They have it, just it was made late and they forgot it in the production version that was printed.

Wait a second.  Let's be real here.

It was supposed to be in the game.  They forgot to put it in the game before it went gold.

They had to have known about this since the game went gold . . .hell, they had to have known before that, that the feature was not yet implemented.

Yet at this point, there is still no patch.  They are "looking into it".

I can fully understand if you don't care about this.  I play on console, and while I find this funny as hell, it's not a big deal to me.

But let's not just say "oh, well, they'll fix it, no big deal".  Lets call it a collosal blunder, like it is.

[Rake21]

There are the "THEY ****ED IT ALL UP!" kind of people that everyone dislikes. But there are plenty of people who have legitimate, defendable gripes against the game, because, hey, it's not perfect by everyone's standards.

Example: I'm gonna miss my dual wielding warrior.

[Aidunno]

Here we go again...

- No race selection, only human.

Doesn't fit into the story being told. I have had lots of PnP games where the DM made a decision like that for the sake of the story they wanted us to play.

- Almost no world exploration as most of the story unfolds in Kirkwall...

A focused detailed environment or less detailed larger environment... I know which I would prefer.

-No Tactical PoV, which makes for a more action oriented way to play...

You mean no isometric/top down view.. agree I would have liked this. You don't have to play it as an action game.

- Close to no gear management for companions. Just incredible, and not in a good way.

Lots of people for and against... Personally I don't care. You can still customise them. I believe other than Varric's weapon the only thing you can't change is the main armor. Even that you can enhance. Varric's weapon was due to other bows looking silly on him.

- Dialogue selection made via a ME wheel kind of thing, complete with all the little faces and whatnot

Contents are the same as DAO although the main complaint isn't the wheel itself, or the icons but the fact you don't know exactly what is going to be said. 

The game has a strong action RPG feel to it, it doesn't feel like an RPG anymore.

Art direction has changed and it "seems" different but the core is still there. You can still play tactically, especially if you raise the difficulty. I will say Normal on the PC is supposed to be controlling mainly your character, not needing to worry about the party. Hard upwards you will need to use the party together. My impression is that most PC DAO users are likely to start on Hard or above. There are also "cross class combinations" to take advantage of, not just shattering iced up enemies.

The graphics. They just barely improved upon that of DA.O. Nothing to boast about really.

Haven't been aware of boasting but have you checked out the DX11 pictures?

But at the end of the day, you've just made a water downed version of DA.O. Not worthy to be called a sequel. Even less worthy to be called a Dragon Age game.

People playing the full game at the moment seem to disagree. I don't know. Could be I end up disliking it but from what I have seen, everything points to it being a fun and interesting game.

[-Zorph-]

Quite honestly with all I know so far, DA2 improves on everything that I can possibly think of when comparing to DA:O, other than the art style change is a bit to get used to; but it's not bad by any means.

I think in DA:O the reason I quit playing for months after buying it, is because the combat was quite simply tedious and boring. It was like a pain to play the game.  I LOVED the story, and that is why I picked it up again recently to finish off my save.

I can't wait for the story of BioWare, specifically Dragon Age; and the completely improved total package especially combat that DA2 is bringing!

In my eyes, it trumps DA:O again and again, and the arguments against this are generally such minor things that people complain about.

Such as Mages being more 'involved' such as moving in combat.  Is that a bad thing? I'd think that fighting for your life each fight wouldn't generally result in you just standing - rooted in one place firing spells off like DA:O. It gets your adrenaline going, just as we can assume the characters adrenaline would be up.

DA:O was, to me not as great as people made it seem. Ok, don't take what I just said the wrong way. I loved the game and everything, and played the crap out of it (After taking a 6 month break after release...) but really the combat was sub-par to me.  Also, the whole dialogue system is vastly improved in that you essentially get praphrased dialogue choices that show you the just of what will be said and the tone used, and now your character says them with a VO.

Really, I don't understand how you can think the cons outweigh the pros. I am not trying to be a fanboy but lets just be realistic.

If you think every RPG should remain a cRPG-like RPG forever, it seems to me they would start getting boring because there is no change.  Just because a genre was established a certain way doesn't mean entries into the genre must be exactly like predecessors 15 years ago. That's like having rifles issued to your army's regiments and then deciding that it was more "fun" to line them up and slowly volley each other so give them some ball-wizzing muskets instead.

That is to say, how is going back in time repeatedly a good thing; and new ideas/executions of the RPG genre automatically labeled bad because they are different?

I just don't understand the thought process behind this whatsoever. It's like saying that black and white TVs were better because they were the original kind, so color is dumb. Or even beyond that, that TVs are dumb because the radio worked fine.  It's like wanting to get rid of improvements, it doesn't even make any sense to.

If you think nothing was wrong with DA:O and that it was 100% perfect, particularly gameplay-wise you clearly need to reevaluate the whole thing because you may be delusional. (no offense intended by that last statement)

*editted* before I had the same thing twice, copy + paste fail on my part; sorry.

Modifié par -Zorph-, 07 mars 2011 - 10:47 .