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[omgodzilla]

I am talking extremly horribe. Something that makes Hitler and Stalin look like Barney. Would you be glad that it was an option or be appalled? Would you even care?

[Lunatic LK47]

A lot of the Renegade choices hit the "Stupid Evil" category, which *SHOULD NOT* have been the case, so I wouldn't be too surprised.

[CroGamer002]

Hmh, no?

[Mulluns]

Someone posted it here awhile ago, but he/she said for ME3, after you beat the Reapers or whatever, TIM tells Shepard to wipe out the other races's fleet so humanity could take complete control.

If that was in ME3, it would be the ultimate middle finger to practically.... EVERYONE who was not under TIM.

[Tennessee88]

I wouldn't be surprised, but just like the other stupid I AM EVILZ MUWAHAHAHAZERZ options it wouldn't make a lick of sense.

[CroGamer002]

Renegade≠Evil

Modifié par Mesina2, 07 mars 2011 - 09:14 .

[Mulluns]

Mesina2 wrote...

Renegade≠Evil

Not technically, just more ruthless, uncaring and just plain mean.

If you had evil options, I imagine you'd have options to help the Reapers sorta how Saren did.

[Tennessee88]

Mesina2 wrote...

Renegade≠Evil

Exactly. Why renegade some people believe renegade=evil is beyond me. 

[Moiaussi]

Tennessee88 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Renegade≠Evil

Exactly. Why renegade some people believe renegade=evil is beyond me. 

Renegade is not neccessarily evil, but evil is really about as renegade as you can get.

If such an option was the only renegade option made available, I would cry foul, but to have such a thing as one of multiple renegade options isn't horrible

[Moiaussi]

omgodzilla wrote...

I am talking extremly horribe. Something that makes Hitler and Stalin look like Barney. Would you be glad that it was an option or be appalled? Would you even care?

So something that makes Hitler and Stalin look even worse??????  lol jk

[Lunatic LK47]

Mulluns wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Renegade≠Evil

Not technically, just more ruthless, uncaring and just plain mean.

If you had evil options, I imagine you'd have options to help the Reapers sorta how Saren did.

Still doesn't explain how half of the Renegade options just went into the "Stupid-Evil" territory. You have a Shepard that is a racist, punches everything that moves for the LOLZ or unwanted frustration, and shoves guns into people's faces at the most inappropriate times. If Renegade is supposed to be the "Jack Bauer" way, I feel that BioWare's aim was 90% off. The only time the Renegade options worked within the context of BioWare's goal were the Interrupts in Garrus's recruitment mission, Miranda's loyalty mission, Samara's recruitment mission, and Mordin's, as far as I played the game.

[YamiSnuffles]

I can't see this happening. I mean, sure, some of the Renegade interrupts and such makes Shepard look like a jerk, but he's always supposed to be a hero. Maybe not a hero everyone likes/understands/etc. but a hero. I think if he ever ended up doing something really evil, there would have to be a logical lead up and some sort of justification. For really big choices, there is always justification one way or another in the games. Not always for the little choices, but the big ones, sure.

This is coming from a player who usually leans Paragon or at most Paragade. I think there are some select choices I would consider bordering on evil, but they at least have justification and they're nowhere near Hitler level. I think all of the big Renegade choices can be logically defended. I see no reason for BW to suddenly derp out on that.

[Undertone]

This isn't Star Wars. Nor it is light side or dark side.

If this action is plausible, realistic, logical and it serves a tactical purpose go ahead. If it's just for the lolz, just to be evil, purely sadistic then 'Hell no.

[JediNg]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

That is not a renegade option... that is an insane option.

Come to think of it, Hitler seems like a crazy Paragon. He was doing the best for his people, and I believe he truly thought he was doing the best.

Yet he was totally crazy... 

I have no idea about Stalin, though. Russia is too big to be bad at keeping secrets, so not much genocide info came to my attention. But I do know there were some really bad things.

I'd just steer clear from those options. They both were some top sort weird people from the abyss of hell and destruction.

Oh here we go lol.

[KhaysunDei]

That would be awesome... 

[Icinix]

Hehehe.

I can see it now...the Reapers and the United Galaxy are about to go head to head...Shep sides with the Reapers believing them to be the right course for the future....thus causing genocide on the entire galaxy...Renegade + Elleventy Billion. Darth Revan would run screaming like a stuck pig.

[LordShrike]

Reaction: DOOOO IIIIIT!
Just to see it, them reload and go to the forums and Post a thread about it.
Am'rite?

[Mulluns]

Undertone wrote...

This isn't Star Wars. Nor it is light side or dark side.

If this action is plausible, realistic, logical and it serves a tactical purpose go ahead. If it's just for the lolz, just to be evil, purely sadistic then 'Hell no.

This. You're fighting to save the galaxy from The Reapers. You ultimately decide if you're a good person or a mean person.

Paragon: Kind, will solve a problem without fighting if possible, but will fight if needed.
Renegade: Quick, ruthless and to the point. Add in some snide and rudeness into it.

So far, no renegade choices Shepard have ever really made him/her seem evil, just ruthlessly efficent/ snide, and nearly all of his/her companions know this. He's/She's more anti-hero then a real hero.

Modifié par Mulluns, 07 mars 2011 - 12:28 .

[Netzach]

I'll chose it. No regrets.

Whatever it takes.

[jbblue05]

Renegade= dark hero,  for the greater good
Paragon= paladin knight in shining armor  an individual is just as important as the greater whole.


Calling Renegades evil is Facepalm worthy.
Renegade is an alternative to Paragon and vice-versa.  Paragons try to be perfect, politically correct, super-nice, highly optimistic.  Being a renegade is almost completely opposite of this.

A lot of Paragon players believe
Paragon= Good and Pure
Renegade- EVULZ!!

While Renegade players believe
Paragon= Naive
Renegade- Realist

I mean, really as I recall we are trying to save the galaxy too.

[AdmiralCheez]

Renegades are no more evil than paragons are stupid. A downright "evil" choice would break the system.

Screwing over the aliens for the sake of humanity? You could call it "evil," I suppose, but it seems more like "extreme nationalism" to me. Personally, I'd never do it, but I know some people who would.

But honestly, I doubt we'd get anything as extreme as creating alien death camps where we march turians into gas chambers and whatnot. That's just, pardon the pun, overkill. Cerberus is looking to dominate, not exterminate. TIM's not, you know, Hitl--***POST INTERRUPTED BY GODWIN'S LAW***

[Tooneyman]

I would say "Awesome!" and hope bioware makes it with an easter egg involved. =D

[Smeelia]

There are the occasional moments where decisions that are available don't really make sense but they're not that common and Renegades aren't the only ones that suffer from it (although they do seem to have it worse than the Paragons).

The biggest problem would be if the option is one of only two choices and the persuasion system is the same as in ME2 (where deviating from Paragon/Renegade can stop you using persuasion).  I don't really think that truly evil options have a place in Mass Effect since Shepard is supposed to be a hero either way and awarding Renegade points for doing something that is destructive and unhelpful doesn't seem appropriate (a Renegade wouldn't waste time being evil for fun).

[JG The Gamer]

Select it with a Shepard I've made to be evil, let the plot play itself out and carry on. Probably think to myself that I'm a complete jerk for doing it, but that's the beauty of role-playing.