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[Ravensword]

Other than hanging out in intergalactic space as they are known to do, where do you think they came from? There's no way they originated from the space in between galaxies. Despite what Sovereign might say, Reapers had to evolve from a simple organism, but the fact that they're large space ships is not natural. My guess would be that Reapers were once a technologically advanced sentient race , maybe the first beings in the universe to achieve sentience. It could be that through excessive use of technology to enhance their bodies with cybernetics as a means to improve themselves. Nothing wrong with that but sometimes things tend to get out of control and the next thing you know you're uploading your entire consciousness into a giant space ship. Or maybe the Reapers were created by a race and the Reapers revolted like the Geth revolted against the Quarians.

I refuse to believe that Reapers simply are. They must've come from somewhere. I think that the Reapers simply forgot of their origins but they couldn't have existed since the Big Bang.

What do you people think?

[bbbbbb]

i also think about this....for example dark space is the space between galaxys and reapers need a relay to get out of there and into the milky way....soooooo this means they are clearly incapable of inter-galactic travel so someone had to get them there.....and as you said someone had to make them

[Shelondias]

Machines are built, there's no way around that. I think they were AI controlled warships that decided their foe programming included the guys who made them.

[Ravensword]

It can also be that the Reapers are the result of a highly advanced civilization doing crazy cybernetic modifications to themselves, interfacing computer systems and AIs with their own minds and building many large spacecraft and individually integrating themselves permanently to each spacecraft.

Also why is it that they choose to cull all the sentient spacefaring species in the Milky Galaxy? What about the other galaxies? Why not harass the beings in the Large Magellanic Cloud, Andromeda or NGC 185?

[TobyHasEyes]

Potential SPOILERs I guess

Seeing as the last two times they have done their harvest, they have tried to collect the 'best' spacefaring species and turn them into a Reaper (first Protheans and now humans), unifying the whole species as one conscious, it seems likely to assume that was their origins.. a collective unified in one ship. 'We are Legion'. As the geth have expressed a similar desire, it seems to me most likely that either the first reapers were either an organic race that turned itself into a conscious collective (maybe an experiment?) or a rebellious synthetic race

[TobyHasEyes]

too many eithers :s

[cpt. awsome]

a yes. the meaning of life. you can give up ion this one. we cant even figure out our own origin let alone fictional super machines

[Tennessee88]

I always believed that an advanced species was faced with extinction so they convinced their people that salvation resided in Ascension. The result was the first line of Reapers, which unfortunately held onto that belief leading to the beginning of the cycle... Ascension became a religion.

Would make the origin of the Reapers somewhat tragic, which seems to fit Bioware's style.

[Ravensword]

Either way logic prevails. Impossible for them to be around since the Big Bang and for some few billion years afterwards. I don't know. Maybe some of the astrophysicists can be able to tell approximately how long after the Big Bang did life start to evolve and then we can surmise as to when the Reapers were created. They might've been the first species to achieve sentience in the universe or created by the first species to achieve sentience in the universe.

[iAmLegion2183]

Tennessee88 wrote...

I always believed that an advanced species was faced with extinction so they convinced their people that salvation resided in Ascension. The result was the first line of Reapers, which unfortunately held onto that belief leading to the beginning of the cycle... Ascension became a religion.

Would make the origin of the Reapers somewhat tragic, which seems to fit Bioware's style.

I've come to the same conclusion.  I also think the Reapers are life boats for the universe's inevitable heat death.  They ascend only the best species to be saved for extinction.

Modifié par iAmLegion2183, 09 mars 2011 - 08:28 .

[Mr.Vakarian666]

All you need is one to start the process.

[The Fan]

 Maybe they caused the big bang...

[Ravensword]

If they did cause the Big Bang then they would be indestructible gods but they are not invulnerable nor do they seem that high tech for a species that's been around for tens of millions of years to maybe even billions. All they have is mass effect technology that is more powerful than those of the races in the Milky Way but the Reapers aren't doing any sort of R&D to make newer technological discoveries, they kind that would blow your mind. They just hibernate while the Collectors go around abducting various species to perform experiments on.

I get the feeling that the Reapers have forgotten their origin and are simply looking for a way to perfect themselves or the culling of spacefaring intelligent life is the way they reproduce.

[88mphSlayer]

i'm just going to guess but something like the Quarians?

a species loses its footing and has to live in space

eventually they lose the ability to sustain their populations there as well for whatever reason

so they construct an "ark" that carries their genetic bloodline and can survive anything without having to sustain populations of individuals... this first "ark" - built to survive and preserve - discovers that alone it is vulnerable so it searches for thousands of years and finds more species on the brink of destruction who embrace the concept of the ark, eventually this cycle continues until there are so many "arks" that species that are powerful and aren't on the brink become threats, so the cycle expands and the "arks" learn the necessity of "reaping"

dozens of millions of years later, and the "arks" still remember why they do what they do - preservation - but they no longer have the context of that first "spark" because it was organics that thought it up - not the artificial constructs that run the "arks" - there's a missing gap - except it's such that reasoning away this process isn't an option because the "arks" have processed so many species they view themselves as gods - no longer about "preservation of a species" but rather "preservation of themselves" much like how we as humans don't really care about bacteria - even finding ways to purge ourselves of it - despite the fact that we started out as single celled organisms

that's my take on it

defeating the reapers then isn't about destroying every reaper, it's about breaking the cycle - if you can break the cycle - you break their purpose

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 09 mars 2011 - 11:59 .

[Zelnik]

Look, all things considered, i doubt we will ever find out what their true origins are, but this is what I can bet.

Each reaper is basically a "condensed race puree". the majority of an intelligent species rendered down and processed into a reaper. The collective memories of the entire race are (somehow) maintained, and within the reaper body, the collective intelligence of the species exists.

This explains a few things.
1. How each part of the entity is both unified, and independent

2. Why each reaper looks different, sounds different, and possibly acts different.

Each "entity" inside the being is given the name of it's original race. This is why the Geth, who view the reapers on a very different level, had a chance to view it as it's true self.. "Nazara"

"Nazara" is probably the name of the race Sovereign originally was bred from. Inside it, it retained the characteristics of it's people.

[Mandalore242]

I dont want my Reaper name to be Human.

It should be Scrambles The Death Dealer.

[33percent]

I'm laughing in tears of people who believe in the fairy tale of the big bang. It is by far the most laughable thing I've read. Hell they don't even put THEORY right next to it in the science books. So someone farted, and created the Big Bang out of nothing. Who knows maybe our universe is one giant cell that divides no differently from the cells in our body.

They came some where, and their orgins are no different from how humanity came into existence or any other race for that matter. Now little shepard has ruined their buffet on feasting on us. They are the predator, and we are the pray. I bet they we're created no differently from like the geth but from something, and maybe they destroyed their creator. Thinking their Gods, and now their going to be put in their place by one single human named shepard. Who can ever think one puny human can stop their feasting cycle. Now it's our turn to kicka##, and could care less about their orgins because its matter of out with the old in with the new.

[Ravensword]

Mandalore242 wrote...

I dont want my Reaper name to be Human.

It should be Scrambles The Death Dealer.

Mr. Wiggles FTW

[oldag07]

Ravensword wrote...

It can also be that the Reapers are the result of a highly advanced civilization doing crazy cybernetic modifications to themselves, interfacing computer systems and AIs with their own minds and building many large spacecraft and individually integrating themselves permanently to each spacecraft.

Also why is it that they choose to cull all the sentient spacefaring species in the Milky Galaxy? What about the other galaxies? Why not harass the beings in the Large Magellanic Cloud, Andromeda or NGC 185?

There is no evidence that they don't invade these galaxies.  (double negative intended)

[Kandid001]

Reapers didn't just appear from thin air or created by "God" or some ****. That would be super disappointing.

Instead they were created by an ancient race like today's (I mean when ME trilogy takes place, not 2011) humans, in appearance and in behavior. Reapers were sentient semi-organic ships which were supposed to serve as, guess what, ships. Like today's humans, the ancient humans were also an enthusiastic and greedy race, trying to monopolize the galaxy's resources, maybe rule the other races, or whatever. After long (decades, centuries, millenia) research and study, they created these abominations. The rest is the typical Frankenstein story where the creation "wakes up" and revolts against its creator. As in the Matrix - Terminator cliche, after they became self aware they didn't want to perish, so they systematically allowed and harvested organic life in the galaxy, used organisms as nutrients whenever technology was advanced, when relays were discovered and used, and when those little bugs (i.e. us) were a potential threat to them. The whole galaxy is a farm.

Since a human-like race created them, they are obsessed with humans (making the new reaper in ME2, targeting Earth in ME3, etc.) and they want to exploit the physical and mental structure of human beings for their benefit.

(please excuse the typos/inconsistencies)

Modifié par Kandid001, 10 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[Ravensword]

oldag07 wrote...

There is no evidence that they don't invade these galaxies.  (double negative intended)

So, maybe they hit up everyone at the Andromeda galaxy on their free time when they're not culling all the spacefaring races in the Milky Way. Or maybe there are several large groups of Reapers that each has a specific nearby galaxy that they travel to.

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 mars 2011 - 01:19 .

[Zelnik]

Hey, how about we DO NOT make this a religious argument thread!

Also, big bang theory deniers are ignorant putzes who prey for a six thousand year old earth. (take THAT, Old kingdom egypt!)

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

The Fan wrote...

 Maybe they caused the big bang...

they farted.... obviously.

[Ravensword]

Well, we just came up w/ a new theory of how the universe got started.

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

The Fan wrote...

 Maybe they caused the big bang...

they farted.... obviously.

This.