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[Tarek]

Ravensword wrote...

It can also be that the Reapers are the result of a highly advanced civilization doing crazy cybernetic modifications to themselves, interfacing computer systems and AIs with their own minds and building many large spacecraft and individually integrating themselves permanently to each spacecraft.

Also why is it that they choose to cull all the sentient spacefaring species in the Milky Galaxy? What about the other galaxies? Why not harass the beings in the Large Magellanic Cloud, Andromeda or NGC 185?

maybe becuase they don't know whats out there, maybe a united federation of planets equvilant exists in the andromida galaxy thus they will get thier butts handed to them if they go and try to kill them!!

Reaper:we have come to destroy you.

UFP: Oh really, rasie shield fire at will.

Reaper:you can not stop us.

(photons, phasors, distruptors fired)

Reaper: Oh F.......

[Tazzmission]

bbbbbb wrote...

i also think about this....for example dark space is the space between galaxys and reapers need a relay to get out of there and into the milky way....soooooo this means they are clearly incapable of inter-galactic travel so someone had to get them there.....and as you said someone had to make them

 im betting the collectors are the ones who formed the relays in fact i wouldnt be shocked if they made the reapers as well. keep in mind that the collectors do have very advanced tech and they are seen rairly

[Volus Warlord]

Probably something of similar nature to that of the Geth.

[MadCat221]

Tazzmission wrote...

bbbbbb wrote...

i also think about this....for example dark space is the space between galaxys and reapers need a relay to get out of there and into the milky way....soooooo this means they are clearly incapable of inter-galactic travel so someone had to get them there.....and as you said someone had to make them

 im betting the collectors are the ones who formed the relays in fact i wouldnt be shocked if they made the reapers as well. keep in mind that the collectors do have very advanced tech and they are seen rairly

Ummmm, did you play through to the end of Mass Effect 2?  Did you chat up your squaddies (specifically Mordin) between missions?

The Collectors are the Protheans, so massively twisted and bent to the Reapers' will that they don't even resemble them anymore.

[Tazzmission]

MadCat221 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

bbbbbb wrote...

i also think about this....for example dark space is the space between galaxys and reapers need a relay to get out of there and into the milky way....soooooo this means they are clearly incapable of inter-galactic travel so someone had to get them there.....and as you said someone had to make them

 im betting the collectors are the ones who formed the relays in fact i wouldnt be shocked if they made the reapers as well. keep in mind that the collectors do have very advanced tech and they are seen rairly

Ummmm, did you play through to the end of Mass Effect 2?  Did you chat up your squaddies (specifically Mordin) between missions?

The Collectors are the Protheans, so massively twisted and bent to the Reapers' will that they don't even resemble them anymore.

um im on my 33rd playthrough . they said only some have the genetic trait of  prothean were found . that dosent mean the whole species are all collectors. harbinger could be the oldest  living being who couldve indoctrinated the protheans by geneticly rewritting them. picture gene splicing wich involves mixing 2 diffrent dnas together the end result is basicly a new creepy thing. for all we know harbinger is the puppet master and the prothean/collector soilders are the puppets.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 24 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[ADelusiveMan]

Ravensword wrote...

Other than hanging out in intergalactic space as they are known to do, where do you think they came from? There's no way they originated from the space in between galaxies. Despite what Sovereign might say, Reapers had to evolve from a simple organism, but the fact that they're large space ships is not natural. My guess would be that Reapers were once a technologically advanced sentient race , maybe the first beings in the universe to achieve sentience. It could be that through excessive use of technology to enhance their bodies with cybernetics as a means to improve themselves. Nothing wrong with that but sometimes things tend to get out of control and the next thing you know you're uploading your entire consciousness into a giant space ship. Or maybe the Reapers were created by a race and the Reapers revolted like the Geth revolted against the Quarians.

I refuse to believe that Reapers simply are. They must've come from somewhere. I think that the Reapers simply forgot of their origins but they couldn't have existed since the Big Bang.

What do you people think?

Well, rumor has it that Chuck Norris created them millions of years ago.


That was a joke. (unintended EDI Reference there...)

Anyway, I bet this is something Bioware will touch on in ME3. I think both of your theories are good, and both make sense. But I'm really interested in finding out what their motives are. Why do they choose to wipe out all life in the galaxy every so many million years?

[Kane-Corr]

They are either stuck in our galaxy...amassing resources to escape back to wherever they came from once again...like...they might be building a HUGE Mass Relay again.

OR...they may be collecting resources to build life in their own image/vision.

Either way...there IS a daddy Reaper...and it's not Harbinger. Think about this my friends...

Indoctrination is a Reaper tool....Reaper uses Indoctrination to gain control over unwilling host.

SO...first Reaper= Controlling all the rest. Yes, "We are each independent, a nation unto itself."
What Sovereign said was true...in the physical manifestation of WHAT the reapers are.

But...really THINK about it. The head honcho HAD to have indoctrinated all of the other Reapers at some point. Because clearly, it seduced other races...experimented on them...and created them into other Reapers.

SO...kill the head...sever the body. Final boss is the First Reaper...

[Dem_B]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
different species who co-developed into one entity - The host and the Parasite.

Imagine this on some world long ago there was this race of parasites who invaded the minds of another species and utilizing them as host, Now this was beneficial to both species, The host had creativity and mobility while the parasite had rational thinking and ambition, From a point of view one could even argue that they had no beginning because where did the parasite start and the host end, they had for all intent of purpose become one.

Over time this union mastered technology and gradually the host body became more and more cybernetic and so did the parasite(reaper larvae), But something vent wrong, The more they developed the host body though technology the less creative they became (like Mordins ramblings about the collectors) - in the end the reapers who now looked like the huge ships we know and love completely lost the ability to progress so what to do, Hell just harvest the creativity of other races(they are parasites after all) - evolve that way and maybe down the line some new perfect "host" race will show up, somebody diverse and creative enough to push the reapers to the next level.

This idea makes sense, it is connected up with the idea that the Reapers were living beings .
@Anacronian Stryx cited as an argument to the phrase of Sovereign, who said that the Reapers have no beginning and have no end.

Also supports this idea, the Reapers that are in the shape of insects - parasites.

Parasites must be destroyed, without hesitation, without pity.
And I do not support this, for me is much more interesting to see in the Reapers, something more than ancient monsters which need be crushed.

My theory, explains the Reapers as beings who attempted to escape death. My theory about the beings who wanted to find a way to be free. My theory about the beings that have become monsters, but their motives were good. 

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

JoeClose wrote...
I don't necessarily want to have a full understanding of the Reapers. I find them so compelling because they are unknowable...

I want them to be entities of evil and unknowable motives.

If the motives of the Reapers remain unknown, the story makes no sense.

I don't play in usual game, I am involved in the great story.
If the story does not make sense, if I need to just kill the parasites, I'll be disappointed.

I hope that Mass Effect 3 will be a revelation, the meaning of all story, not the battle with the cockroaches.

[XzorshTheConqueror]

I wonder if they are connected to the species that the Thorian belongs to. Many of the Reapers that we've seen bear a superficial resemblance to the Thorian, such as the squid-like tentacles. There are some other similarities between them: husks/creepers, indoctrination, and hibernating for long periods of time followed by brief periods of activity.

[Archontor]

I have an idea, In 2007 V. N. Tsytovich and colleagues proposed that life-like behaviors could be exhibited by dust particles suspended in a plasma, under conditions that might exist in space. Computer models showed that when the dust became charged the particles could self-organize into microscopic helical structures capable of replicating themselves, interacting with other neighboring structures, and evolving into more stable forms. Similar forms of life were described in Fred Hoyle's classic novel The Black Cloud. Thus they could always have been space based and seeing as dust and plasma aren't tied to any particular planets they could have evolved anywhere, and anywhen.

[Ravensword]

I saw that on wikipedia.

So basically the Reapers could've formed in intergalactic space from dust and plasma and not have been been created by an advanced race or by extensive modification top themselves.

Modifié par Ravensword, 27 mars 2011 - 04:00 .

[Coach]

The origin of the Reapers can best be described by referencing the children's game of "telephone." In this game, a group of children gather in a circle and pass along a single message by whispering it one-by-one until it has reached the end of the cycle... at which time it is revealed to be a very different message from its initial intent.

Put simply, a long time ago an ancient scientist ordered his computer to defrag its hard drive every 50 hours.

Let's just say that message has become a bit blurry; a "my bad" moment of epic proportions, if you will.

[Tarek]

I have the answer at last....

they are giant alien sex toys

[BlackAdder117]

To probably fight the Reapers, me thinks that Shepard will have to travel to Dark Space. Yes I said travel to the deep blackness.

The reasoning I came up with this is that I thought about how people get around with mass relays and I thought: "If people require the relays to get 'round, then the Reapers must too. Therefore, there must be a HUGE black colourless mass relay out in Dark Space so as to aid the Reapers in their conquest; which also got me to think that to stop the Reaper threat, Shepard and Co. might have to travel out there to defeat them: Kinda like the Omega 4 but in 'The Last Train to Memphis' kind of way.

And in the sense of their origins, I was thinking like that their originals creators looked like cuttlefish of some sort - just as the Collectors/semi-Protheans were like beetles, and that their desire to avoid death and conquer it but liquifying themselves into a paste, then using pre-programmed machines to transfer the liquid matter into the structure of a single ship, forming a consciousness, and then setiing about extending that immortality by harvesting or 'reaping' other races to exist for eternity by creating duplicates of them/it self/selves but with other desirable traits from other extinct races.

That's my theory anyway...

[Powgow]

If i would make up lore for such a thing, I can think of 1 story that would be plausible.

Lets imagine that we humans created the reapers (intentionally) as a machine, just for the sake of the story. At this present time, our machines are still dumber then ourselves, we design them, we understand them because they are made by our hand. Technology is going in the direction of more appliances in one box, a computer being the most versatile. But there will be a point when it will be less time consuming to ask a machine to generate a more capable and efficient next generation. Hence, you would free the computer from Artificial Intelligence, to Virtual Intelligence. The later meaning that a computer can alter its own code, aka "learning". Advancement would go in exponential steps from then; too fast for our own comprehension. We can't understand the machines that serve us.

We went from believing that we are made by Gods, to playing God, to creating our own Gods. Übersmart machines.

The reapers are a type of machine similar of the black monolith of 2001: A space oddysee. They are made to scout the galaxies for resources or viable areas for their masters. They do this by going into a random direction, and once they find resources, they create new reapers, which in turn spread again. Once they find something, they build a mass relay. This creates  a direct link to large amount of resources, in the case of mass effect its organics.

The reapers wait till their crops are ripe for the picking, harvesting that, transport obtained resources back, prepair their harvesting fields again (being the citadel and relays) and repeating the process ad infinitum.

*snaps out of daydream*

Modifié par Powgow, 27 mars 2011 - 12:53 .

[Coach]

Powgow wrote...

If i would make up lore for such a thing, I can think of 1 story that would be plausible.

Lets imagine that we humans created the reapers (intentionally) as a machine, just for the sake of the story. At this present time, our machines are still dumber then ourselves, we design them, we understand them because they are made by our hand. Technology is going in the direction of more appliances in one box, a computer being the most versatile. But there will be a point when it will be less time consuming to ask a machine to generate a more capable and efficient next generation. Hence, you would free the computer from Artificial Intelligence, to Virtual Intelligence. The later meaning that a computer can alter its own code, aka "learning". Advancement would go in exponential steps from then; too fast for our own comprehension. We can't understand the machines that serve us.

We went from believing that we are made by Gods, to playing God, to creating our own Gods. Übersmart machines.

The reapers are a type of machine similar of the black monolith of 2001: A space oddysee. They are made to scout the galaxies for resources or viable areas for their masters. They do this by going into a random direction, and once they find resources, they create new reapers, which in turn spread again. Once they find something, they build a mass relay. Creating a link to large amount of resources, in the case of mass effect, the resource is for reasons unknown, other organics.

*snaps out of daydream*

1) God creates dinosaurs.
2) God destroys dinosaurs.
3) God creates man.
4) Man destroys God.
5) Man creates Reapers.

[Powgow]

something like that!

[Paulinius]

bbbbbb wrote...

i also think about this....for example dark space is the space between galaxys and reapers need a relay to get out of there and into the milky way....soooooo this means they are clearly incapable of inter-galactic travel so someone had to get them there.....and as you said someone had to make them

I hope Arrival and ME3 sheds more light on this. If they are capable of intergalactic travel, then they don't really need the Mass Relays.

Personally, I think the Reapers are native to the Milky Way Galaxy, and as other have said, were created by an ancient species, then something went wrong and the cycle began.

I think they just go to the Mass Relay that leads to a system closest to the edge of the galaxy and dark space, then just FTL for a few weeks, months, whatever, and hibernante. No other sentient species would really bother to look out there, especially when there's no resources to refuel their ships. If the Reapers have some super-fast FTL then there's no real way to stop them when they arrive. If you cut off a relay, they'll just FTL to the closest system with another relay.

[Paulinius]

And I forgot to add:

What are the Reapers made of?

The relays are apparently almost indestructible (although ramming it with an asteroid will destroy it but a super nova wont, lol wut?) so why aren't the Reapers made of the same material? Once its shields were down in ME1, a single shot from the Normandy destroyed it.

[jojon2se]

The 2001 monoliths are multi-purpose tools. The one on Io serves as... a mass relay - kinda.
Bowman is sluiced through a hyperspace network in a rather familiar way and along the way he spots the abandoned hulls of massive "spaceships", from a time when an ancient race extended themselves by uploading their consciousness into these - also rather familiar. They have since moved on and now live as matrices of "frozen light". In the end, Bowman is scanned and rebuilt as such a being of light.

[Tarek]

Paulinius wrote...

And I forgot to add:

What are the Reapers made of?

The relays are apparently almost indestructible (although ramming it with an asteroid will destroy it but a super nova wont, lol wut?) so why aren't the Reapers made of the same material? Once its shields were down in ME1, a single shot from the Normandy destroyed it.

they are not from the same stuff, and I imagine the relays don't have to move/shot/open/close/load/unload so they have little structural weakness, however a reaper HAS to have such weakness in order to be effective, so it can't be industructable even if its made from the same stuff (which i doubt) it will have structural weakness (guns, mass drive, engines, cargo bay, windows) so a well placed shot will still destroy it no matter how tough it is, it will be as strong as it's weakest part.

BUT I still think the reapers are full of crap and they did not make the relays, they just use them.

[P1NG]

You need to realize Sovereign told you where he came from, we will most likely never know the exact name of the race... but who really cares? "We are the next step in evolution" -Agent Smith Maxtrix 1. That is what the reapers are... The next step. They rely on organic life because it is unpredictable, clueless, purposeless, emotional <---. However when you remove all of those, you become incapable of creativity, the fuel that drives advancement. The reaper let the civilizations do what they cannot, create, Once said civilization near the point to where they might be a threat. They click the reset button.

All aside, think of it as skynet from terminator. A bunch of random geeks made it for some earmarked defense spending (no one will remember them as the "creators of skynet" and they ended up as collateral damage. The same applies to the reapers, whoever made them basically killed themselves, and until the reapers allow the next step for evolution, they are at the "top of the food chain" until then.

[Darth Death]

Someone had to have built the first reaper, and from then on they started to create more of themselves.

[MikeNoBrake]

Ravensword wrote...

It can also be that the Reapers are the result of a highly advanced civilization doing crazy cybernetic modifications to themselves, interfacing computer systems and AIs with their own minds and building many large spacecraft and individually integrating themselves permanently to each spacecraft.

Also why is it that they choose to cull all the sentient spacefaring species in the Milky Galaxy? What about the other galaxies? Why not harass the beings in the Large Magellanic Cloud, Andromeda or NGC 185?

You had my same idea.
I think this "aincent race who created the reapers" developed the fanatic idea that the way to improve themselves is to integrate with the best of the future sentient species and so they had found a way to do it.

[LisuPL]

Since there are bilions of galaxies...and Milky Way is just one of them.....
It might be possible, that a spiece from other galaxy build Reapers, they went rouge and decided to go after not only their creators, but also beings in other galaxies aswell.
They use mass relays only to navigate throughout particular galaxy, but in the deep dark space they can bedoing anything....it might just be so, that they constantly attack galaxies in a cycle of ~50,000 years.
They go after one galaxy and after they are done they leave and start wih other one, and so on ....until they revisit the previous ones again every 50,000 years, when new sentient technology-capable spieces arise to get whiped out like their predicesors.

And most important part - everything has a beginning - that includes the Reapers. It's only a matter of finding out what was that beginning. 

BioWare please tell us in ME3 !

Modifié par LisuPL, 27 mars 2011 - 08:31 .