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[steg87]

i think the reapers were created by some race outside of the milky way, this unknown race sent the reapers into dark space to keep an eye on the other species evolving and getting more technologically advanced, up until the point there is a chance of being discovered and have through the keepers on the citadel and the vanguard open up the gateway to take their technology and resources and destroy any existence of organic lifeforms,the reapers then proceed to reproduce by melting down the organic lifeforms to create more reapers so to make their numbers greater, so each time they come out of hibernation they have more chance of destroying the most advanced of the new organic lifesform  with little resistance i.e the protheans last time around, so they can go back into dark space and lay dormant whilst the unknown race gain more and more knowlege of all possible technology that ever existed in the nearer galaxys.

also the reapers have no memory beyond that they obey orders but do not see themselves as pawns but more like enforcers and extermintators hence why they are so full of themselves telling shepard that humans could not comphrehend their existence.

this is just my opinion cant wait for me3

Modifié par steg87, 05 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[sympathy4saren]

Why is it unplausable for Reapers to come out of the Big Bang, but perfectly plausable for the Big Bang to come out of nothing?

[Stick668]

I lean towards the Post-Singularity origin. As in, organic species immortalized by cybernetics and consciousness upload.

I do sort of suspect they've gone senile, though. The whole "WE ARE BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION" shtick is a bit Protesting Too Much. I kind of hear it as "uh, yeah, we're fuzzy on the details ourselves BUT SHUT UP WE HAVE BIG GUNS".

Ravensword wrote...

What about the other galaxies? Why not harass the beings in the Large Magellanic Cloud, Andromeda or NGC 185?

Tarek wrote...

maybe because they don't know whats out there, maybe a united federation of planets equivalent exists in the andromeda galaxy, thus they will get their butts handed to them if they go and try to kill them

Heh. I wrote this a ways back:

Dear Reapers: Don't %&#! With The Culture

(Referencing Iain M. Banks' Culture series. If you haven't read it, well... you should! Those guys have all the best-named spaceships. Also, the spaceships are the coolest characters.)

The Reapers do seem to behave a bit like discriminating Von Neumann Probes. I.e, they use stuff to make more of themselves, but they're not trying to assimilate all available matter in the universe. (Wiki entry actually includes a ME reference.)

Not buying any meta-universal origin, simply because they're not really on that tech level. Well, not from what we've seen. If they were, we'd be screwed. And currently applicable narrative logic demands we not be entirely screwed, just facing bog-standard impossible odds.

 

Modifié par Stick668, 05 avril 2011 - 06:02 .

[Dem_B]

Always when the aliens arrive, them needed only our resources.
When Shepard asked about slaves and resources, Sovereign has said that their motives are beyond our comprehension.
Why would he lie?
But this does not mean that we can never understand.
You can understand when you're ready for it.
Knowledge does not come immediately, knowledge must be gradual.

I'm not interested will find that Reapers are the mechanisms that are gone mad.
I see the Reapers as living beings in the form of the machine, I wrote about this earlier.
Because if they were living beings, they have lived lives, they saw something which we do not know, what made them become so.

I hope for a philosophical explanation of motives and origins of the Reapers.
I hope Mass Effect 3 will not be just a dumb battle powerful guns, I'm waiting something that will make me think, the revelation.

[Akizora]

Sometimes I wonder if the reapers are actually a naturally evolved mechanical construct based on eezo and dark energy, composed of metallic alloy and enhanced by organic compound.

[Commander Shepard453]

I think the keepers made the Reapers thats maybe the reason why they just build things like the Citadel how would they know how build parts of the citadel without leaving any damage spots from Saren's attack, I think the Keepers transfer there knowledge to Reapers bodies.

[The BS Police]

"The Reapers have no beggining", and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way! Explaining their origins and reasons for what they do makes them less threatning!

[Dem_B]

The BS Police wrote...

"The Reapers have no beggining", and as far as I'm concerned it should stay that way! Explaining their origins and reasons for what they do makes them less threatning!

Earlier, in one of the others threads I've debated with @ Bamboozalist about the need explanation of motives and origin of the Reapers.
This debate struck me as interesting, I'll give you a quotes.

Bamboozalist wrote...

It doesn't really need to be explained. The Reapers are "beyond our comprehension" by them having actions that don't necessarily make sense it makes them more alien and foreign to us. Some times it's good to not spoon feed every detail about your big mysterious death race of intergalactic gods.

Dem_B wrote...

I'm involved in the story, I am interested in the motives and origins of the Reapers. That's why I play Mass Effect, to get an answer.

If I wanted to play a shooter, I would have played in Call of duty

If the motives of the Reapers remain unknown, the story makes no sense.

I don't play in usual game, I am involved in the great story.
If the story does not make sense, if I need to just kill universe villains, I'll be disappointed.

I hope that Mass Effect 3 will be a revelation, the meaning of all story.

@I have support my view.

Valmarn wrote...

Same here. If the devs don't have a damned good explanation prepared, I will be gravely disappointed.

The Reapers created the Citadel and the Mass Relays so that civilazations will develop along the paths that they desire, but to what end? They come back from Dark Space every 50,000 yearsand wipe the galaxy clean again, killing or enslaving its inhabitants...but to what end?

Much like I'm sure you feel, I don't care what Vigil said about our survival depending on killing them, and not  on understanding them. Shepard may not care how little sense it makes, but I, the player, do care.

Bamboozalist wrote...

The story would be better if Bioware didn't try to explain it.

What would you rather face? A serial killer who is killing for no apparent reason who you can't reason with and can't understand or a serial killer who is killing for some sort of logical reason, that while you won't agree with it, you can understand it?

Not everything has to be explained, whatever happened to viewer imagination? And people wonder why things get more and more dumbed down.

Dem_B wrote...

You led a good analogy with a serial killer, but ...
Imagine the situation.
Serial maniac killed your loved one, he is found, and sentenced to forced medical treatment because he was crazy and had no motive. 
Your loved one is dead, but his killer will live.
Are you satisfied? This is true?
But if he was not crazy, if he has reasonable motives, he will receive his punishment.
You'll know that the killer punished.

We see what we want to see.

But imagine that the Reapers are not serial killers.

All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.

Perhaps in the distant past Reapers did not wanted to die and have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.

What is the meaning of our life?
Accumulate wealth and live happily?
Create a family and raise children?
Prepare your soul to heaven?

We all live in, because we were born and we die because the time has come.
We can not change it.
We all want something else to do, something else to see, but nobody lives forever, and nobody wants to die.

What if the Reapers can show us a different life.
Life free of all weakness.

Dem_B wrote...

I and @Valmarn hope for the authors.
@Bamboozalist sure that it is not possible to come up with an explanation that will suit everyone.
Yes, he's right. But can come up with something that will be interesting to most people, because if will not explanation, then many people will be disappointed.
Many worried about the motives and origins of the Reapers.
Created on many topics.

Sovereign has said that their motives are beyond our comprehension.

But this does not mean that we can never understand.
You can understand when you're ready for it.
Knowledge does not come immediately, knowledge must be gradual.

[Zkyire]

Ravensword wrote...

Mandalore242 wrote...

I dont want my Reaper name to be Human.

It should be Scrambles The Death Dealer.

Mr. Wiggles FTW

There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it..

I.. am beyond your comprehension...

I.. am Mr. Wiggles.

[steg87]

lawl

[dill72]

How do reapers get energy solar power or what?

[Ravensword]

Well, it won't work out so well if the Reapers have to be killed off in a
real simple fashion will cause much facepalming worldwide.



Bob: Hey Bill? Remember those Reapers that were beyond our comprehension?

Bill: Yeah. What about them?

Bob: Totally kicked their asses, man.

dill72 wrote...

How do reapers get energy solar power or what?

They have element zero cores.

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[x-wrentaile]

steg87 wrote...

i think the reapers were created by some race outside of the milky way, this unknown race sent the reapers into dark space to keep an eye on the other species evolving and getting more technologically advanced, up until the point there is a chance of being discovered and have through the keepers on the citadel and the vanguard open up the gateway to take their technology and resources and destroy any existence of organic lifeforms,the reapers then proceed to reproduce by melting down the organic lifeforms to create more reapers so to make their numbers greater, so each time they come out of hibernation they have more chance of destroying the most advanced of the new organic lifesform  with little resistance i.e the protheans last time around, so they can go back into dark space and lay dormant whilst the unknown race gain more and more knowlege of all possible technology that ever existed in the nearer galaxys.

also the reapers have no memory beyond that they obey orders but do not see themselves as pawns but more like enforcers and extermintators hence why they are so full of themselves telling shepard that humans could not comphrehend their existence.

this is just my opinion cant wait for me3

Originally, I thought the opposite, that the 'first humans' created the Reapers to defend them from invaders from another galaxy.  But after the Reapers got done with the 'enemies' they came back (hundreds of thousands of years later) to find their masters gone (ascended or perhaps killed in a plague or other disaster) and other senients living in their place.  Assuming based on their programming that the other lifeforms killed their masters, and destroyed them.  And then they started repeating the process.  And the reason they are so hot and bothered this time is because humans look like their creators.

But I've been thinking about this version instead, because then once the Reapers are gone, we could have an intergalactic war against their creators.

[Ravensword]

That is if their creators haven't become extinct, which could've been for a number of reasons, possibly one being that the Reapers they created destroyed them. Also, it could be that the original creators of the Reapers "became one" with the Reapers.

Someone here suggested here that Reapers are self-replicating probes known as berserkers that seek out all sentient life in the Milky Way galaxy and destroy it. Funny thing is that Reapers themselves seem incapable of replicating themselves directly, and have to enslave and extensively modify a conquered race to do that for them like turning the Protheans into Collectors. Keepers as well.

[AlphaScrewySam]

My theory is that their creators were levo-amino based, like Humans and Asari, which is why they altered the Protheans instead of building a Reaper out of them: the DNA type is incompatible.

[Ravensword]

I think the main questions are: who created them, why they were created and why they specifically target the people of the Milky Way when there are tens of billions of galaxies in the observable universe.

Also, a lot of people seem to like to perceive the Reapers as these mysterious and incomprehensible or whatever. They're no deities, they're machines and machines can be broken. They're just giant metroid-looking squid.





Cuttlefish

Modifié par Ravensword, 26 août 2011 - 08:53 .

[Black Raptor]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Why is it unplausable for Reapers to come out of the Big Bang, but perfectly plausable for the Big Bang to come out of nothing?

Clearly you have not understood the HBB theory.



I think the Reapers were created to guard the Milky Way from rampent organic species. Their creators realised that, left unchecked, organic life would cause more harm to the Galaxy. Thus they created the Reapers who made the Citadel and the Mass Relays to control the organic races that arose. 

When the organic life advanced far enough they were Reaped, but their genetic information was kept by the Reapers so that they weren't truely forgotten. 
Why else would they have been making a Human Reaper when it would be so much easier to build one without any DNA.