squee913 wrote...
I think it is weird that a lot of you criticize us for "Making up narrative" when the people who cry plot hole make up narrative when ever they want.
Shepard fell to the planet!!
Really? I don't remember seeing or hearing about that. Last I saw he was floating away in space (might have been burning in an atmosphere might not)
The last we see Shepard, he's falling towards the planet. Later, his helmet is recovered from the planet along with the wreckage of the Normandy. Extrapolating from the available data, it's fairly obvious how A led to B. I believe there may even be a log entry somewhere either on the Lazarus Base or perhaps the Shadow Broker's base stating matter of factly that Shepard's physical remains were recovered from the surface of Alchera, but I can't point to one specifically from memory and my Xbox isn't hooked up at the moment.
What data can we extrapolate that indicates that the planet was hollow? Or that Shepard's kinetic barrier's preserved him when, according to the codex,
they don't operate that way and failed previously to pretect him from the relatively low-speed impact with a bulkhead earlier in the scene?
squee913 wrote...
The Collectors have been processing people for 2 years!!!!
Really? I don't remember the story saying that. They could have started yesterday for all we know.
Others have already covered this, but we're told in point of fact by the Illusive Man that the abductions have been going on "while you slept."
squee913 wrote...
TIM never even tried anything else to get information!!!
Really? When did the story ever say he never tried anything? You are just assuming that because he never said he did.
So now the burden of proof is on the defense? I suppose Bigfoot also exists until someone proves that he
doesn't?squee913 wrote...
Wilson is going to be famous in Cerberus, and had no reason to betray them!!!
Really? where was that ever stated? All we saw was that he was very unhappy about his current place in things.
Not one of smudboy's stronger (or more relevant) arguments and I'm perfectly happy to concede that it has no merrit one way or the other. I certainly don't agree with every point smudboy chooses to raise, and you'll note that Wilson's betrayal of Cerberus wasn't referrenced anywhere in my own list of major issues with ME2's plot (and the fact is, it's explained rather nicely in LotSB).
If you want to accuse smudboy of inventing narrative there, then by all means do it. I'd be interested to see how smudboy defends himself from what appears to be hypocricy on his own part. But don't lump everything he says together with everything I say like we share some collective argument.
squee913 wrote...
Reapers are made and then put into ships!! That's why they all look alike!
Really? When was this ever talked about? (unless there is something someone said outside of the game, which is possible) All we were ever told was that they take the form of the species used to reproduce. I remember going into the very core of a reaper ship. I never saw some reaper within a reaper...
I've never subscribed to this theory myself. I'm perfectly happy (unhappy?) to consider the Human Reaper some isolated and inconsistent aberration. Of course, that raises questions about how such a form would be at all practical in space combat and why every other Reaper shares roughly the same cuttlefish-like physical structure as opposed to there being the odd bipedal mamalian, avian or snake-like forms depicted. Questions, I should note, that were originally
answered by those
defending ME2's plot in the early days by raising the argument that the Human Reaper could simply be housed inside a larger Reaper exoskeleton.
I'm not sure why smudboy seems to run with this theory, especially when it seems like he's
ridiculing it in his first analysis. Maybe because
you decided to run with it, he decided to follow suit rather than just pointing out that it was ridiculous and moving on because even if it were true it still makes no sense? Maybe he brought it up to criticisize the prodominant theory explaining the Human Reaper's bipedal form and decided to run with it because people were trying to prove that it
wasn't ridiculous? I don't know. You'd have to ask him.
squee913 wrote...
All of these arguments are made by following what you think are logical conclusions. What I did was no different.
No. My arguments are based on extrapolation of the data available to us. Many of your arguments seem to be based on nothing more than what you
think could've happened with no data to support it; Is Alchera hollow? I don't know. Is it? Nothing in-game leads us to believe it would be so what are you basing this theory on? Did Shepard's kinetic barriers save him from the impact? I don't see how since that's not how kinetic barriers are described to work in the codex, his kinetic barriers don't seem to provide any protection from his impact with the bulkhead earlier and even the Normandy SR-2's larger kinetic barriers aren't even stated to be sufficient to protect against debris impacts in the Tartarus Field let alone a hardsuit's barriers deflecting the impact of an entire
planet.
IF the VS had been fighting Cerberus in the 2 years you had been unconscious, or
IF the VS knew something that Shepard didn't, or
IF they were just on the rag and having a bad day, etc, etc, etc... none of which is supported in the narrative. It's just supposition.
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