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[Bassline204]

ok this thread really is a result of another thread.

i was looking on the tech support forums and i saw a thread that stated "post your specs here if your not having problems at all with this game"

upon looking through all those threads i noticed most of the machines not having problems had one thing in common.

windows 7.

i was going to upgrade to windows 7 anyway at somepoint. so i thought what the heck why not do it now.
i did (after about 6 hours mainly spent backing up files). the result on the game was thus.

the game still crashs occanially. either during a cutscence or the graphics get corrupted. This happens after a few hours (maybe 2 or 3) of gameplay.

But here's the new thing.

Upon reloading. the error that caused the crash is gone. and you can carry on playing for another 7 or 8 hours.


i just wanted to put this out there so people knew about it.

[zacrobmer]

I must say that I have nothing but success with Win 7 Ultimate.



If you coming from Vista it is not much of a change other then it works 100% better.





However if you come from an XP build it will be a drastic change, especially knowing that you need to install games and such with the "run as administrator" command.



I've not had a single problem installing and running a game so far (Win 7 related).

[pavachan]

regarding the graphics getting corrupted, i read on this forum that if you have an nvidia card, Disabling PhysX from the nvidia control panel solves that.

[mufuti7]

Bassline204 wrote...

ok this thread really is a result of another thread.

i was looking on the tech support forums and i saw a thread that stated "post your specs here if your not having problems at all with this game"

upon looking through all those threads i noticed most of the machines not having problems had one thing in common.

windows 7.

first of all a thread about not having any issues in the tech forums is not saying much. People without any issues are not likely to check these forums often, if at all.

But I also cant agree with your observation at all.Sure a lot of people try to run this game on hardware that was old 5 years ago but most issues, crashing and other severe issues, which are posted using current hardware that should be more than able to run the game, both here and on the bioware tech forum, are from users of Windows 7 and Vista 64 bit.

Better check which OS people are running that DO have issues before jumping to the converse argument.

Dont get me wrong - Windows 7 Ultimate has been nothing but great for me, but Dragon Age was clearly not tested properly if you look at how many diverse issues people have on these systems.

example: http://daforums.biow...orum=146&sp=300
26 pages and counting

Modifié par mufuti7, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:01 .

[Bassline204]

actually i believe you to be incorrect. A thread about not having any issues is very informative indeed. in science it is often better to have a perfectly working model beside the experiment you have on hand. The reason being is that you can compare the simiarities and differences between what's working and what is not. Having spoted the simiarites between alot of the people whose games was working it was likely that windows 7 had a better time handling the game since alot of people's os system which was running the game was windows 7.



having switched to windows 7 i have had much better performance from the game. like i stated i still get memory leaks but once the game crashs i can restart and play on.



my second point is that your statment that people who don't have problems with the game won't come here is just a huge assumption on your part. there are lots of bioware fans who just generally like reading about the game and come on here to find out what other people's experiences are like. Bioware has been encourging this kind of community correspondance for quite some time now.



Also it should be pointed out that the whole point of this forum section. "the tech support section" is for players to help other players it's not the offical tech support forum. so ofc lots of players who don't have problems will come here to help others.



if you think about it my point makes sense.



this is a very modern game, probably made with direct x 10 in mind. mircosoft has just realease windows 7. most likely this game will have better performance on the newest operating system cos i bet you the developers has that system in mind when making the game. XP however is a relativly old operating system and probably doesn't handle memory as effiectly as this game requires. this being a very memory instensive game that would make a huge difference.



look at the cpu affinity fix. it's about cutting down the available processors so there are less paths for memory usuage i.e the code doesn't handle memory effiectiantly so there is less chance for data streams to be corrupted.



window 7 however has be sold as being able to allocate memory much better than it's predessors. hence the result of getting much better performance on windows7 is probably right.

[mufuti7]

Bassline204 wrote...

actually i believe you to be
incorrect. A thread about not having any issues is very informative
indeed. in science it is often better to have a perfectly working model
beside the experiment you have on hand. The reason being is that you
can compare the simiarities and differences between what's working and
what is not. Having spoted the simiarites between alot of the people
whose games was working it was likely that windows 7 had a better time
handling the game since alot of people's os system which was running
the game was windows 7.

That was just a wild guess. Saw 1 thread with 3 pages of people having no issues and130+ forum pages filled with problem topics. Jumped to conclusion.
I understand what you mean about "troubleshooting" . But there are many people with almost identical system configurations, one can play the game fine, one cannot.
The problem lies with the game. Of course the differences between these systems play a role but if this users system is able to handle everything else you throw at it the error that needs to be fixed lies with the game.

this is a very modern game,
probably made with direct x 10 in mind. mircosoft has just realease
windows 7. most likely this game will have better performance on the
newest operating system cos i bet you the developers has that system in
mind when making the game. XP however is a relativly old operating
system and probably doesn't handle memory as effiectly as this game
requires. this being a very memory instensive game that would make a
huge difference.

The game has been in development for several years. It was almost finished when Windows 7 was released.
It is pretty certain the game was tested for compatibility mostly on XP and Vista.
Otherwise most users with Windows 7 x64 would not have so many problems.
One of the official "fixes" from Bioware posted on the boards is to try letting the game run in Windows XP compatibility mode...

window
7 however has be sold as being able to allocate memory much better than
it's predessors. hence the result of getting much better performance on
windows7 is probably right.

I agree, Windows 7 has been great for me so far, a lot better than Vista which was not too difficult though. Dragon Age however has obvious issues with it.
I am not saying Windows 7 is not the greatest Windows OS available - because it is. It is just not true that Dragon Age runs better on Windows 7 or Vista, at least not the 64 bit versions because, again, these are the most common OS for people with ingame issues. Check out the thread I linked above. I have yet to see an almost-30-page thread about Windows XP 32 bit ...

Essentially what I was trying to tell you:

upon looking through all those threads i noticed most of the machines not having problems had one thing in common.

windows 7.

This is just completely false. The handful of people posting in this thread maybe. But for everyone of them there are 20 people with windows 7 creating a new topic here every day. You need to look at those topics about problems to really draw a conclusion, there are a lot more problems with Windows 7 than XP or even Vista.

Also you are not writing which version of windows you are using, the real problem seems to lie with 64 bit systems.

Modifié par mufuti7, 15 novembre 2009 - 09:00 .

[JironGhrad]

mufuti7 wrote...

I understand what you mean about "troubleshooting" . But there are many people with almost identical system configurations, one can play the game fine, one cannot.
The problem lies with the game. Of course the differences between these systems play a role but if this users system is able to handle everything else you throw at it the error that needs to be fixed lies with the game.

This patently false.  IF the systems with identical hardware configurations have the described scenario (one works, one doesn't) then the clear indication is that it's a problem with the OS or drivers or other programs running on the system that fails to operate the game correctly.

[mufuti7]

Well that is why I wrote "almost".As I said these drivers, OS or other programs are obviously the deciding factor wether or not the game runs fine or causes trouble.

However if only Dragon Age is having issues while other games work just fine - the problem initially lies with - the game.



there is just really no need to sugarcoat it - this game does not work well with Windows 7 (64 bit).

[Bassline204]

mufuti7



if the game was in development for several years don't you think windows 7 would have been available to the developers at the time of creation. Example project natal is finished they have realeased it to the developers long time ago but not to the public. an os is realeased to the developers way before the public so there are games for it when it does realease.



Another point you seem to be missing is this. i am not saying that there isn't a problem with the game. i have never said that. and you seem to like putting words into my mouth. there is a memory leak with the game and everyone admits that.



what i am saing is that it works better with window 7. Agrueing that it doesn't work better with everyone single persons windows 7 is futile. is more people find this game works better with windows 7 then that's something to note. which you have said you agree with so i don't know why your still posting.

[mufuti7]

The basic OS version was released to the developers, sure. But the most up-to-date changes to the system and drivers were definately not available.

The thing is, most people do not find the game to work better on Windows 7 :-P
20 people posting in the "everything runs fine thread" make not up for the dozens of Windows 7 related topics that get opened every day.

You were lucky, it runs better for you. But are you running the 64 bit version?
Anyway your topic is misleading because the forum statistic obviously states that if you have no OS installed hypothetically, and have to decide - do not choose Windows 7 x64.
If the upgrade to Windows 7 worked for you - good. But you are basically saying "most people who are running this game without issues are using Windows 7, this I have gathered from one thread in which a couple people posted. I am therefore ignoring the 100+ other filled pages in this forum were the most common OS to cause issues is Windows 7 (x64)".

Modifié par mufuti7, 15 novembre 2009 - 09:29 .

[JironGhrad]

Bassline204 wrote...

Another point you seem to be missing is this. i am not saying that there isn't a problem with the game. i have never said that. and you seem to like putting words into my mouth. there is a memory leak with the game and everyone admits that.

I've said it over and over... if a memory leak "actually" exists it would affect "all" users... not just some.  A true memory leak affects everyone who tries to do whatever causes the leak regardless of the system or hardware configuration.  Likewise, something as simple as setting processor affinity wouldn't then resolve the issue for some percentage of the people with the problem.  Fortunately, setting processor affinity has gotten well over 100 people (who've posted or replied via PM) able to play the game with no sign of the "memory leak".  If it can be fixed by tweaking hardware, even in just a few cases, it's not a true memory leak with the game.

[Bassline204]

mufuit7 again your putting words in my mouth. you seem to be saying that my solution is the be all and end of the matter. what you fail to realise that yes while some players using windows 7 64 are having problems.i am using windows 7 32 bit. You even admit that my solution worked for me so my point would be simple.



what you fail to realise is that for everyone on of those 20 people that posted working specs there are 100 more who would say the same thing. Just like me upgrading and finding out it helped. i beat alot of windows 32 bit users like me are not haveing game breaking gameplay like others.



each of us is a simple of the real crowd out there. Your failure to understand this is the only flaw in your otherwise reasonable argument.