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[17thknight]

You guys aren't hurting Bioware at all by "refusing to play". They have your money. There's nothing you can do to them now. They've already said it will be "weeks" before a patch (if it ever comes, which I doubt).

The real solution, when someone tries to sell you a slip-shod product, is to not buy it.

[didymos1120]

Pompeii69 wrote...

Has there been any other statement offered or a guestimate on when this huge fisting that we've all taken will be rectified? Because I too refuse to play this until Bioware corrects this.

While certainly not the swiftest of moves on Bioware's part, I hardly think missing a feature of convenience rises to the level of a severe sexual violation.

[Pompeii69]

completely unacceptable... I'm thinking it will never get added, we'll get the excuse about patches and certification from MS and Sony, while they continue to pump out DLC instead of a fix...

[Pompeii69]

didymos1120 wrote...

Pompeii69 wrote...

Has there been any other statement offered or a guestimate on when this huge fisting that we've all taken will be rectified? Because I too refuse to play this until Bioware corrects this.

While certainly not the swiftest of moves on Bioware's part, I hardly think missing a feature of convenience rises to the level of a severe sexual violation.

It's not a feature of convienence for many...  it's a huge gameplay mechanic, and I for one think Bioware deliberately misled and lied to us... so yeah, they fisted us.  And they continue to do so.

[17thknight]

didymos1120 wrote...

While certainly not the swiftest of moves on Bioware's part, I hardly think missing a feature of convenience rises to the level of a severe sexual violation.

I wouldn't call it a feature of convenience, so much as basic functionality that they've promised the console jockeys would be on the disc since the release of the demo.

[didymos1120]

17thknight wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

While certainly not the swiftest of moves on Bioware's part, I hardly think missing a feature of convenience rises to the level of a severe sexual violation.

I wouldn't call it a feature of convenience, so much as basic functionality that they've promised the console jockeys would be on the disc since the release of the demo.

No, it is a feature of convenience.  It makes playing more...convenient.  What the game has now is basic functionality.  It functions...on a basic level.  Regardless of whether you agree with that, equating it to sexual assault is just completely absurd, even granting that it's supposed to be hyperbolic. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[Durdens Wrath]

didymos1120 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

While certainly not the swiftest of moves on Bioware's part, I hardly think missing a feature of convenience rises to the level of a severe sexual violation.

I wouldn't call it a feature of convenience, so much as basic functionality that they've promised the console jockeys would be on the disc since the release of the demo.

No, it is a feature of convenience.  It makes playing more...convenient.  What the game has now is basic functionality.  It functions...on a basic level.  Regardless of whether you agree with that, equating it to sexual assault is just completely absurd, even granting that it's supposed to be hyperbolic. 

So what is your excuse for them then, about the sorry way the flags are implemented on decision imports?

[ironcreed2]

While I am critical of the decision to wait until the last minute to inform the fanbase that auto-attack was not included, I have to say that I like the game better the way it is. It is not too button mashy at all. I have been forced on numerous occasions to pause the game, move my characters around and mange them or else. It is like Origins, only more fluid and faster... and more fun. Great game.

[AkiKishi]

ironcreed2 wrote...

While I am critical of the decision to wait until the last minute to inform the fanbase that auto-attack was not included, I have to say that I like the game better the way it is. It is not too button mashy at all. I have been forced on numerous occasions to pause the game, move my characters around and mange them or else. It is like Origins, only more fluid and faster... and more fun. Great game.

Can I ask what class you are playing?

[AkiKishi]

17thknight wrote...

You guys aren't hurting Bioware at all by "refusing to play". They have your money. There's nothing you can do to them now. They've already said it will be "weeks" before a patch (if it ever comes, which I doubt).

The real solution, when someone tries to sell you a slip-shod product, is to not buy it.

They lost my money after the demo I'm just renting.

[djackson75]

ironcreed2 wrote...

While I am critical of the decision to wait until the last minute to inform the fanbase that auto-attack was not included, I have to say that I like the game better the way it is. It is not too button mashy at all. I have been forced on numerous occasions to pause the game, move my characters around and mange them or else. It is like Origins, only more fluid and faster... and more fun. Great game.

The problem will come if you play the game on hard or nightmare, and are constantly switching targets when you are surrounded by a trash mob because you hit A when the enemies moved. Also, A mashing is a nightmare when you're playing a rogue, especially later in the game. A rogue is based on fast strikes and combos, it's hard to concentrate on setting up tactics for everyone else, when you're concentrating on finishing a combo with your rogue by pressing A.. 

[ironcreed2]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

While I am critical of the decision to wait until the last minute to inform the fanbase that auto-attack was not included, I have to say that I like the game better the way it is. It is not too button mashy at all. I have been forced on numerous occasions to pause the game, move my characters around and mange them or else. It is like Origins, only more fluid and faster... and more fun. Great game.

Can I ask what class you are playing?

I am rolling as a Mage for my first play through. Fun as hell as well. Reminds me of playing Knights of the Old Republic gameplay-wise more than Origins did. Just no auto-attack, which has not been an issue at all for me because I am leveling up, getting more skills to use and am busy managing my party as well.

[Looper128]

17thknight wrote...

You guys aren't hurting Bioware at all by "refusing to play". They have your money. There's nothing you can do to them now. They've already said it will be "weeks" before a patch (if it ever comes, which I doubt).

The real solution, when someone tries to sell you a slip-shod product, is to not buy it.

I'm still going to support bioware, I want them to use my money to help fixing this problem. I wouldn't want to hurt them, but I want them to fix this game breaking problem.

[Mousers]

I've played mine only because I got the SE pre order and exchanging it for the PC version would give me the non SE. I have hand issues so can't do the button mashing so chose a rogue/archer. Seems to work well shooting occasionally and letting the 3 others do their thing. What I did notice is the character creation sliders do very little change. There was a post on the xbox forum that mentioned this was broken, but haven't checked anywhere else. Yes the premades do look a bit different but if you put the same complexion, hair, eye color.. and go into the game, they look the same. Not a game breaker but I love spending time creating my character. I think the models and textures for chars are far superior than DAO, the controls to change their appearance are sub-par to put it nicely.

For import info. That comes out in a few dialogs. I had chosen Bhalen and ran into Harrowmounts cousin that gave a quest. So was a nice touch other than just short dialog blurbs occasionally. The import bug becomes apparent later in the game so can't comment on that.

I didn't like the beginning. Same as the demo with default hawke and a sibling, the char appearance changes come later. Stops immersion right there. And I had to play as a DW rogue until after, what I will call the pre-game nonsense, then switch to archer. When you get the Kirkwall the game really begins and I've enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Given I am such a DAO fan. Quests, quest tracking, maps all nicely done. I did put my game on casual because of wanting to see if my 3 party members could handle the combat and it is working well. I just fire occasionally, loot, check and rearrange tactics.

I did get annoyed at the 1 min attack mode and then several cut scenes, attack mode, several cut scenes. I would have preferred it to attack mode, loot, check inventory, skills, tactics, etc. then, move forward which triggers the cut scenes. But this is all in the pre-game part that was in the demo and thankfully not that overdone in the "game" portion.

Guess the bottom line is, if you are keeping the game go ahead and play it. Go rogue archer if you have a hand/wrist issue like I do. And get to know the game, people and their stories while waiting for the patches. No need to not play the game if you are keeping it while waiting. Unless you might return it if the patch doesn't come.

I'd pay 15-20us for the game as is, maybe 30us if fixed. Many facets I'd give a 10, others 1-2 so overall after about 10 hrs playing a 7.

I have to agree with a previous poster regarding Chris's post and the post on the technical forum. They don't compliment each other and looks very fishy. If Chris's post is true, then what they gave the Master to patch into the game that was going out.. and was already approved since it was going to Master, should be able to be patched sooner than later. Unless they are going for fixing many bugs and do one big patch rather than several. Which wasn't mentioned.

[Haexpane]

I haven't seen BioWare's official response, my apologies so I have to ask.

Are they going to patch in Auto Attack for consoles? Please? my thumb is begging you.

[bad-joey]

I've cancelled my preorder when the news got out, and I'm not buying till the patch is out.
My hands just can't handle the button mashing

[Sebster]

It's certainly an issue.
How do you plan on getting it to non-online players?

I'm most likely going to get it for the PC so I don't have to worry, but I'm interested.

[CroGamer002]

Wait, weren't people complaining about auto attack?

[Haexpane]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wait, weren't people complaining about auto attack?

not me, Auto Attack is the best thing in the world for RPGs that are sword swingers.

Ever play DCUO?  It's a button mashing action/MMO rpg.  Guess what everyone's favorite move is?  The one where you DON"T have to button mash combos and just hold 1 button down and go to sleep while your character spams

[CroGamer002]

^Well personally I don't like auto attack but it is optional so I'm not complaining.

[didymos1120]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

I haven't seen BioWare's official response, my apologies so I have to ask.

Are they going to patch in Auto Attack for consoles? Please? my thumb is begging you.

Supposedly they're working on it, but most signs point to the feature never even being made let alone intended to be in the game.

And how exactly do you know it wasn't made?  Are these signs to be found in tea leaves, or the entrails of a goat or something?  Because the ridiculously meager info we have about the day-to-day activities of  the Bioware programmers or the specifics of the manufacturing process is absolutely no basis at all for any judgement one way or the other.  You either take Priestly at his word that it was a late-in-development feature that got mistakenly left out, or just get it out the way and call him a liar.  Don't mince words.

Now, as to the intention side of things: no they didn't intend to put it in.  We have been told more than once that was the case.  How could it possibly have been a last minute thing (assuming one doesn't go with the "liar" option) were it otherwise? 

And, to anticipate the fairly likely response (not necessarily from you personally) along the lines of "They just said that so people wouldn't cancel their orders, because they also didn't intend to put it back in addition to the not intending to have it in general" or whatever. (I.e. "Laidlaw lied when he said they were putting it back in". Or whoever the hell it was.  Can't remember atm) ), that quite frankly makes no sense.  It's just too stupid a move to be plausible.  Not only does it risk a bunch of returns once the lack of feature is discovered, it's definitely going to lose them additional post-Day 1 sales.  To say nothing of pissing a bunch more people off such that they'll be very hesitant to buy another BW game, or even just decide they're done with the company for good. C.f., these forums.  Like, say, this:

bad-joey wrote...

I've cancelled my preorder when the news got out, and I'm not buying till the patch is out. My hands just can't handle the button mashing

A lapse in competence is just plain more likely, especially given Bioware's spotty record with buggy releases (the "binary file full of zeros" version of Lair Of The Shadow Broker on the PC says "Hey."), rather than this goofy evil PR plan that sounds quite like something out of a Silver Age comic book notion.

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 mars 2011 - 07:26 .

[Silver Direwolf]

Man, I was hoping that the reviewers were wrong when they said there was no auto-attack on consoles.

When I first tried the non-auto attack demo, sure it was fun for a couple of minutes, but then the button mashing got really annoying. I contented myself with the fact that it would be in the full retail version. 40+ hours of this button mashing could really sour my enjoyment of the game, I imagine.

Is there any (even really rough) ETA on a patch to allow for this? As I would maybe consider not playing the game until such a patch is released, but if it's going to be weeks away, I'm not sure preordering was worth it for the consoles.

What I don't get is why it wasn't clarified earlier, as in as soon as they found out that the feature was removed? Or was it, and I somehow missed it?