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[The Elder King]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Proves that the game has been rushed. "Oh, EA says we have to have it by this date, so you old school RPG gamers have to suffer!"

Wait, there are old school RPG gamers on the console? The shock!!!/sarcasm

[TJPags]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

[djackson75]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Proves that the game has been rushed. "Oh, EA says we have to have it by this date, so you old school RPG gamers have to suffer!"

Everyone's going to blame EA, but Bioware didn't sign the development and publsihing deal with them at gunpoint. I'm sure it went like this:

EA: would you like to work under our umbrella?
Bioware: What's your offer?
EA: A frackton of money, and our marketing machine
Bioware: Blood or ink?

[Torowa]

Chris,

Given MS's policies on Title Updates and DLC, it occurred to me that Xbox 360 owners may be in real trouble here.

Will this file fit within the maximum permitted file size for a Title Update on Xbox Live?

If not, can BW release it as free DLC?

[the_one_54321]

TJPags wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

I'm not so conspiracy theorist as to believe all that. However, I am willing to believe that they innitialy did not intend to have it on the console version. But then saw how many players actually wanted it on the console version and tried to include it. And then this problem hapened, and so on and so forth.

[djackson75]

Torowa wrote...

Chris,

Given MS's policies on Title Updates and DLC, it occurred to me that Xbox 360 owners may be in real trouble here.

Will this file fit within the maximum permitted file size for a Title Update on Xbox Live?

If not, can BW release it as free DLC?

Don't hold your breath for another statement anytime soon.

[Maria Caliban]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Maria defends Bioware out of habit when slightest thing is raised regarding any problems or issues, it's not worth debating with her trust me.

Actually, I think BioWare's behavior in this matter is inexcusable.

I defend BioWare's design decisions because I agree with them or am willing to play the game prior to passing judgement. I'm a strong believer that the best time to give criticism is right after the game has come out, for a host of reasons I'll not derail the thread with.

That does not mean I support BioWare misinforming their customers as to what's in the game. 'Dragon Age is tactical' is a subjective decision that a player can come to on their own. 'Dragon Age has auto-attack on consoles' is objectively true or false.

But yes, if they had told us about the error when they first became aware of it, I would be defending them now.

[TJPags]

the_one_54321 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

I'm not so conspiracy theorist as to believe all that. However, I am willing to believe that they innitialy did not intend to have it on the console version. But then saw how many players actually wanted it on the console version and tried to include it. And then this problem hapened, and so on and so forth.

Sorry, I was not in any way attempting to say this was a conspiracy.  Hence, the .

I was pointing out how funny this is, in light of the marketing slogan. 

Actually, it's funny anyway.  The slogan is just the icing on the non-existant cake.

[DA Trap Star]

the_one_54321 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

I'm not so conspiracy theorist as to believe all that. However, I am willing to believe that they innitialy did not intend to have it on the console version. But then saw how many players actually wanted it on the console version and tried to include it. And then this problem hapened, and so on and so forth.

why would they think that no auto attack was a better option, I'm sure they have game testers. I'm sure most of them have thumb injuries from the constant button pressing to attack.
My thumb just hurts from the thought of that Ogre fight in the demo...

[Sylvius the Mad]

I suspect it would be pretty easy for them to release it as a patch for PC, but for all we know they have to obey some policy about issuing patches for all the platforms at the same time.

[The Elder King]

the_one_54321 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

I'm not so conspiracy theorist as to believe all that. However, I am willing to believe that they innitialy did not intend to have it on the console version. But then saw how many players actually wanted it on the console version and tried to include it. And then this problem hapened, and so on and so forth.

I think this could be right. Though it's sad to believe that they'd think that people that play on console prefer the button mashing to the auto-attack.

[djackson75]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Maria defends Bioware out of habit when slightest thing is raised regarding any problems or issues, it's not worth debating with her trust me.

Actually, I think BioWare's behavior in this matter is inexcusable.

I defend BioWare's design decisions because I agree with them or am willing to play the game prior to passing judgement. I'm a strong believer that the best time to give criticism is right after the game has come out, for a host of reasons I'll not derail the thread with.

That does not mean I support BioWare misinforming their customers as to what's in the game. 'Dragon Age is tactical' is a subjective decision that a player can come to on their own. 'Dragon Age has auto-attack on consoles' is objectively true or false.

But yes, if they had told us about the error when they first became aware of it, I would be defending them now.

If they had told us about the error when they first became aware of it, you wouldn't need to defend them... The whole reason they need defending is due to their witholding of information for what I can only see as them not wanting to lose sales.

[Manic Sheep]

djackson75 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

People who swallow any story they are told are said to be able to swallow whole bricks.

I don't see how that would be applicable here, though, as the possibiliy I outlined isn't something BioWare has claimed (as far as I know).

djackson75 wrote...

Someone really needs to follow up on this as ask them how long they've known this issue exists.. I would LOVE to hear the answer to that.

Does it matter? At this point you can't change the timing of the announcement.

It does matter.. I'm calling into question their business practices and integrity.. It's not even about pressing A repeatedly and never was for me.. It was about Bioware knowing about an issue and hiding the information from the public in an effort to not negatively effect sales.

They just had a fracking web-chat saturday where the question was asked during the chat, but completely side stepped and passed by during the answer portion.... come on now...

+1
This should have been mentioned earlier. They have been sidestepping it every time it comes up for a while. Withholding info is almost as bad as lying

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[Darji]

DA Trap Star wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would something like this be added that late to the development? They can't possibly have thought mandatory button spamming was as "awesome" as their so-called marketing tries to imply.

Remember what the slogan was:  "push a button, something awesome happens".

Can't have something awesome without pressing a button.

Auto attack eliminates button pushing.

Oooopss . . .forgot auto attack . . . . .

I'm not so conspiracy theorist as to believe all that. However, I am willing to believe that they innitialy did not intend to have it on the console version. But then saw how many players actually wanted it on the console version and tried to include it. And then this problem hapened, and so on and so forth.

why would they think that no auto attack was a better option, I'm sure they have game testers. I'm sure most of them have thumb injuries from the constant button pressing to attack.
My thumb just hurts from the thought of that Ogre fight in the demo...

You still think that after cutting alot of stuff which made no sense at all?

[Naitaka]

djackson75 wrote...

If they had told us about the error when they first became aware of it, you wouldn't need to defend them... The whole reason they need defending is due to their witholding of information for what I can only see as them not wanting to lose sales.

Not to mention the fact they were locking multiple threads by saying that auto-attack will be in the retail game a few days ago when streams started popping up everywhere showing the lack of auto-attack in console version. I know because I made one too...

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I suspect it would be pretty easy for them to release it as a patch for PC, but for all we know they have to obey some policy about issuing patches for all the platforms at the same time.

Sylvius, you clearly have no idea what this thread is about. It's auto attack for consoles. Consoles. Consoles.

Nothing to do with PCs.

[PsychoWARD23]

Naitaka wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

If they had told us about the error when they first became aware of it, you wouldn't need to defend them... The whole reason they need defending is due to their witholding of information for what I can only see as them not wanting to lose sales.

Not to mention the fact they were locking multiple threads by saying that auto-attack will be in the retail game a few days ago when streams started popping up everywhere showing the lack of auto-attack in console version. I know because I made one too...

Yeah, it's pretty sad. Less than 24 hours before release and they finally admit to it.

Modifié par PsychoWARD23, 07 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[Not...Mordin]

Awwwwww man~

That is all.

[Rockpopple]

Obviously this sucks ass. Hopefully there will be a patch soon. This is very disappointing... but it's not like I'm not used to button mashing. I've been playing games for a loooooong time. If it was gonna damage my finger joints, it would have by now. =P

Anyway, what's done is done. Best to just get over it. Either play or don't.

[mesmerizedish]

Chris Priestly wrote...

OK: Here is the story.

Auto-attack option for consoles was added in to the games late in the development cycle after the initial certification build was sent. The auto-attack functionality was sent to be added to the game for testing and approval. This was why staff said it was in game.

Due to an error during mastering, the auto-attack file was omitted during manufacture.

We apologize for this. It was meant to be in game, but it is not currently in the console versions. We are working on how best to distribute this to console users. When we have information, we will let everyone know.

Mmmm... I'm sure this was an honest mistake and all, but this is really sloppy. Really sloppy. An entire feature that many people will rely on, gone? I hope you guys manage to patch this soon.

[TJPags]

Manic Sheep wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

People who swallow any story they are told are said to be able to swallow whole bricks.

I don't see how that would be applicable here, though, as the possibiliy I outlined isn't something BioWare has claimed (as far as I know).

djackson75 wrote...

Someone really needs to follow up on this as ask them how long they've known this issue exists.. I would LOVE to hear the answer to that.

Does it matter? At this point you can't change the timing of the announcement.

It does matter.. I'm calling into question their business practices and integrity.. It's not even about pressing A repeatedly and never was for me.. It was about Bioware knowing about an issue and hiding the information from the public in an effort to not negatively effect sales.

They just had a fracking web-chat saturday where the question was asked during the chat, but completely side stepped and passed by during the answer portion.... come on now...

+1
This should have been mentioned earlier. They have been sidestepping it every time it comes up for a while. Withholding info is almost as bad as lying

Witholding IS lying.  Not almost.  Exact.

[Torowa]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I suspect it would be pretty easy for them to release it as a patch for PC, but for all we know they have to obey some policy about issuing patches for all the platforms at the same time.

It's possible EA has some arrangement like that with MS, but I doubt it. I have seen patches arrive for the two different consoles at different times.

On the 360 all patches (called "Title Updates") cannot exceed a set limit and must go through certification with Microsoft. I am worried about the size limits. Certification can take weeks, though with blockbusters & critical issues I have heard of TUs moving through certification quickly. On the PS3 there is no limit to the patch size and I am not sure how certification works.

[kyles3]

I don't mind rolling through DA2 Yablo-style for a month. Thanks for being up front with us, Mr. Priestly.

[djackson75]

Torowa wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I suspect it would be pretty easy for them to release it as a patch for PC, but for all we know they have to obey some policy about issuing patches for all the platforms at the same time.

It's possible EA has some arrangement like that with MS, but I doubt it. I have seen patches arrive for the two different consoles at different times.

On the 360 all patches (called "Title Updates") cannot exceed a set limit and must go through certification with Microsoft. I am worried about the size limits. Certification can take weeks, though with blockbusters & critical issues I have heard of TUs moving through certification quickly. On the PS3 there is no limit to the patch size and I am not sure how certification works.

So here's a question.. If they really did intend on the feature being in the game from the start, and they really did omit it by error when it went gold over 3 weeks ago... why not submit admit the error immediately, submit the missing code to microsoft right then and there, and have it ready for a day 1 patch? Why say "we're looking for ways to impliment it"?

Rotten in Denmark, yo... rotten.

[Purple People Eater]

I dont think implementing an auto-attack feature would warrant a very big update. Ive seen less implemented into 360 games at only around 12MB. it would be easily doable. My problem is with the fact that it wasnt done from the beginning, and we were told that it was.

Fix this Bioware. I havent taken issue with any of the other changes to DA2, in fact ive embraced them. Now your just screwing with the fundamental gameplay though, and I dont appreciate being force to play in an inferior way.