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[kezin]

Awesome awesome guide sabre...i used your guide for vanguard in mass effect 2 as well.

my question was a better explanation of one of varric's tactics

"If Hawke < any then use goad"

i dont really understand that, is it hawke < health? or just simply hawke any. i play on ps3.

thank you

[swk3000]

That's a 'Hawke: Any -> Use Ability: Goad' tactic. It's designed to re-direct all threat to the chosen ally, so this causes them to attack Hawke.

[Jodou]

Among other issues already identified with the skills section, could we get clarification on skills that are simply 'stepping-stone'?  For example, with Varric you outline picking up the skill Back-to-Back but make no mention of it in tactics.  I can only assume this is because you're forced to pick it up on the way to Brand and never actually use it in a combat situation.  Either that or it was simply an oversight in tactics.  There's a few like this, so perhaps a quick note would be helpful.

Also, slightly OT but what kind of magic resist caps are there for 100%?  Have you guys found +magic resist % items overall useless compared to items that give for example, 400 fire resist?  I've read that Templar gives innate 50% magic resist, so that gives me pause on stacking anything further on Hawke.  And did they do away with mental/physical resist checks?  I'd love to see a section regarding this in the OP because this playstyle really needs a strong resistance/immunity to stuns and knockdowns.  Even mentioning the ring and amulet from The Black Emporium would go a long ways since they give flank and stun immunity.

swk3000 wrote...

That's a 'Hawke: Any -> Use Ability: Goad' tactic. It's designed to re-direct all threat to the chosen ally, so this causes them to attack Hawke.

Yeah, unless the OP wants to refine the tactics section, I'm almost inclined to rewrite it with EXACTLY word for word what the slots should say.  When you're first starting out, some are far too vague to decipher properly (e.g. Enemy > staggered then go to next tactic) and take a lot of guesswork.  Not knocking the guide at all, just etiquette is all.

Modifié par Jodou, 15 mars 2011 - 06:43 .

[Sabresandiego]

I have not updated the tactics section with abilities I get over about level 12 because it was too much of a hassle. It shouldnt be too hard to figure out how to use the abilities through tactics.

I do use back to back as an escape ability

Varric > being attacked by melee or ranged then use condition for next tactic
Varric < 50% health then use condition for next tactic
Anders > any use back to back

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 15 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[swk3000]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I have not updated the tactics section with abilities I get over about level 12 because it was too much of a hassle. It shouldnt be too hard to figure out how to use the abilities through tactics.

Not neccessarily true. I look at Back to Back, and while I can figure out how to use it in Tactics, I can see absolutely zero reason for doing so. In fact, I don't even understand the point to this ability at all.

Also, it strikes me that committing yourself to creating a guide like this requires more effort than you seem to be willing to put in. We don't think like you do, so some insight into why you chose the tactics you did would be great, as it would help us to better understand how to use the build to full effect. You don't even have to do it all at once; just do one character one day, then do another character a few days later. These things are much more manageable when broken into chunks, rather than trying to do it all at once.

[Jodou]

I just noticed the updated note on the tactics section and before we turn this into a witch hunt I just wanted to ask if the reasoning is due to elitism or simply time consumption?  If you don't want to share all the tactics you use because of hours poured into theorycrafting them, then I completely understand.  However, if there's simply so many that it becomes a chore to type them up, I'd be more than willing to assist.  Perhaps you could capture them with FRAPS and I can draw up a draft for you, including what levels to add them.

I'm an elitist min/maxer at heart, so this kind of stuff truly fascinates me.  For the average joe, this guide is more than adequate but guys like me are always looking to dissect and optimize.  Either way, I'm truly enjoying this guide and my current playthrough of nightmare has you to thank!

[Sabresandiego]

I am just about to start act 3, ive been going through the game super slow since im making these videos and writing the guide. When I have passed the game, I might update the tactics section and other parts of the guide. Right now im considering dropping templar and going with full on reaver, or maybe trying berserker level 14+ (silence does not even work if the enemy is already in animation for casting a spell)

[Sabresandiego]

Jodou wrote...

I just noticed the updated note on the tactics section and before we turn this into a witch hunt I just wanted to ask if the reasoning is due to elitism or simply time consumption?  If you don't want to share all the tactics you use because of hours poured into theorycrafting them, then I completely understand.  However, if there's simply so many that it becomes a chore to type them up, I'd be more than willing to assist.  Perhaps you could capture them with FRAPS and I can draw up a draft for you, including what levels to add them.

I'm an elitist min/maxer at heart, so this kind of stuff truly fascinates me.  For the average joe, this guide is more than adequate but guys like me are always looking to dissect and optimize.  Either way, I'm truly enjoying this guide and my current playthrough of nightmare has you to thank!

Ill fraps my current tactics and maybe you can type them out for me. Its a time thing not elitism. If I was elitist I would never have written this guide.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 15 mars 2011 - 07:36 .

[Jodou]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ill fraps my current tactics and maybe you can type them out for me. Its a time thing not elitism. If I was elitist I would never have written this guide.

Awesome, mate; I can't wait!

[Seblun]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I am just about to start act 3, ive been going through the game super slow since im making these videos and writing the guide. When I have passed the game, I might update the tactics section and other parts of the guide. Right now im considering dropping templar and going with full on reaver, or maybe trying berserker level 14+ (silence does not even work if the enemy is already in animation for casting a spell)

Yes please do, I've been exploring the Reaver tree a bit more, lots of fun. I haven't touched Beserker yet, but you'd think that would be the best specialization for us Vanguards...

[Sabresandiego]

Tactics Video

Maybe someone can write them down or improve them for me?

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 15 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[Abhorash]

can you post a list of equipment and weapons plz?

[Abhorash]

edit

Modifié par Abhorash, 15 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Abhorash]

edit

Modifié par Abhorash, 15 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Jodou]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Tactics Video

Maybe someone can write them down or improve them for me?

OK, here's what I have for Merril:

Offensive Support Mage: Merril

Condition | Action
1. Self: Health >= 50% | Activate: Blood of the First
2. Self: Health < 50% | Deactivate: Blood of the First
3. Self: Any | Activate: Elemental Weapons
4. Self: Any | Activate: Rock Armor
5. Self: Health < 25% | Use: Health Potion
6. Enemy: STAGGERED | Use current condition for next tactic
7. Enemy: Target rank is Elite or higher| Use: Crushing Prison
8. Enemy: DISORIENTED | Stonefist
9. Enemy: STAGGERED | Chain Lightning
10. Self: Being attacked by a melee attack | Mind Blast
11. Enemy: Highest health | Horror
12. Enemy: Target rank is Elite or higher | Hex of Torment
13. Enemy: Highest health | Hex of Torment
14. Enemy: Nearest visible rogue | Misdirection Hex
15. Enemy: Highest health | Misdirection Hex
16. Hawke: Any | Tempest
17. Enemy: Target of Hawke | Winters Grasp
18. Enemy: Target of Hawke | Stonefist
19. Enemy: Target of Hawke | Spirit Bolt
20. Enemy: Target of Hawke | Attack

For one thing, we want to move #10 between 5 and 6 because if Merril is being attacked, we want to prioritize her survivability.  Also, I noticed you don't have petrify being used anywhere; did you drop this skill?  You have dessicate as well, so that's two points going to waste without it in tactics.

I'll have to work on this more tomorrow when I get the chance, because I think there's room for improvement here.  I sure wish this forum supported tables. . .

Modifié par Jodou, 15 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[Powpowpowpow]

You are god damn ****ing awesome!!! /cheers

Only thing is that varric never uses Rhyming Triplet for me in tactics: Enemy: Target of Hawke > Rhyming Triplet.  He just stands there full stam the whole time    /Cries.     I Respect your no-pause approach but for me my allies AI is dumber than my 4 year old daughter's Butterfinger Bar.

But alas buddy don't ever stop making more vids plz

[Madteddybear102]

These are the tactics from the vid you posted, as is (pretty sure I got them right).

Merrill
 1. Self: Health >= 50 - Activate: Blood of the First
 2. Self: Health < 50% - Deactivate: Blood of the First
 3. Self: Any - Activate: Elemental Weapons
 4. Self: Any - Activate: Rock Armor
 5. Self: Health < 25% - Use: Health Potion
 6. Enemy: Staggered - Use current condition for next tactic
 7. Enemy: Target Rank Elite or Higher - Crushing Prison
 8. Enemy: Disoriented - Stonefist
 9. Enemy: Staggered - Chain Lightning
10. Self: Being attacked by a melee attack - Mind Blast
11. Enemy: Highest health - Horror
12. Enemy: Target rank is Elite or higher - Hex of Torment
13. Enemy: Highest health - Hex of Torment
14. Enemy: Nearest visible rogue - Misdirection Hex
15. Enemy: Highest health - Misdirection Hex
16. Hawke: Any - Tempest
17. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Winter's Grasp
18. Enemy: target of Hawke - Stonefist
19. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Spirit Bolt
20. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Attack


Varric
 1. Self: Health < 25% - Use: Health Potion
 2. Self: Mana or stamina < 10% - Use: Stamina Draught
 3. Self: Any - Activate: Bianca's Song
 4. Self: Health < 50% - Use current condition for next tactic
 5. Anders: Any - Back-to-Back
 6. Anders: Being attacked by a melee or ranged attack - Use current condition for next tactic
 7. Hawke: Any - Goad
 8. Merrill: Being attacked by a melee or ranged attack - Use current condition for next tactic
 9. Hawke: Any - Goad
10. Sebastian: Being attacked by a melee or ranged attack - Use current condition for next tactic
11. Hawke: Any - Goad
12. Self: Being attacked by a melee or ranged attack - Use current condition for next tactic
13. Hawke: Any - Goad
14. Anders: Being attacked by a melee attack - Armistice
15. Enemy: Highest health - Brand
16. Enemy: Nearest visible - Pinning Shot
17. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Rhyming Triplet
18. Enemy: Attacking Anders - Kickback
19. Enemy: Staggered - Kickback
20. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Attack


Anders
 1. Self: Any - Activate: Panacea
 2. Self: Any - Activate: Heroic Aura
 3. Self: Health < 25% - Use: Health Potion
 4. Self: Mana or stamina < 10% - Use: Lyrium Potion
 5. Self: Health < 50% - Aid Allies
 6. Hawke: Health < 50% - Heal
 7. Hawke: Health < 50% - Aid Allies
 8. Self: At least two party members below 50% health - Aid Allies
 9. Self: Being attacked by a melee attack - Glyph of Repulsion
10. Ally: Being attacked by a melee or ranged attack - use current condition for next tactic
11. Ally: Health < 50% - Barrier
12. Ally: Dead - Regroup
13. Self: Any - Haste
14. Self: Being attacked by a melee attack - Mind Blast
15. Enemy: Clustered with at least two enemies - Glyph of Paralysis
16. Enemy: Nearest visible rogue - Glyph of Paralysis
17. Enemy: Nearest visible mage - Glyph of Paralysis
18. Hawke: Can't attack - Barrier
19. Enemy: Target of Hawke - Attack

Modifié par Madteddybear102, 15 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[Sabresandiego]

I just found out that I have been using a gimped character throughout act 2. Getting Isabella friendship makes your character attack slower and slower, until he is barely moving. And sebastian friendship lowers your damage resistance lower and lower until you are at -35%. I am at -1%. No wonder those demons with xebenkeck could practically 2 shot me. This game is just full of bugs

[LarsLausen]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Right now im considering dropping templar and going with full on reaver, or maybe trying berserker level 14+ (silence does not even work if the enemy is already in animation for casting a spell)

I noticed that just a few minutes ago - a Revenant in a Sundermound Cavern was starting to cast and I couldn't silence him because he had already startet his casting animation - tried it a couple minutes later on another one and the same thing happend there as well.

Petrify works better on most mages, if you have a mage add a tactic to petrify any magic Elite or Lower Magic attacker. Cleave + Upgraded Holy Smite works also pretty good. Still,  investing in the templar tree to get more passive abilities seems like a good itea and 50% magic resist always a good thing to have.

Otherwise I think I would go for Reaver and improve on that tree, seems to be better synergy then the berserker tree.

I only started Act 2 today so I'm not that far in the game.

[Sabresandiego]

Right now Im just really annoyed that my attack speed and damage resistance are so poor thanks to bugs. Luckily I rely on burst damage from abilities much more then auto attack damage, and I tank by moving around rather then taking hits, so the damage resistance bug hasnt effected me nor has my slow attack speed.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 16 mars 2011 - 12:22 .

[vas1444]

You can actually fix these issues with the help of http://social.biowar...m/project/1936/

Animation speed is field 42, modifier value has to be 0 (or 5 if you have isabella's buff at the time). Same for defense, but I don't remember the field number. Credit for this fix does not go to me.

And btw, the slowed animation also affects your special moves as well.

[DrekorSilverfang]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I am just about to start act 3, ive been going through the game super slow since im making these videos and writing the guide. When I have passed the game, I might update the tactics section and other parts of the guide. Right now im considering dropping templar and going with full on reaver, or maybe trying berserker level 14+ (silence does not even work if the enemy is already in animation for casting a spell)

I'd highly recommend it... hell sacrifical frenzy alone is worth it. You may also want to consider looking at Taunt and Bravery(upgraded with the +5% dmg/enemy)

[soteria]

Berserker/Reaver is working pretty well for me. The haste buff from the one tree seems to stack with the other, so... sometimes I wonder if using specials is a dps loss at those auto-attack levels.

[Guilebrush]

Nice guide, it's a great template to plan a build around, and I especially appreciate all the contributions the OP and other posters have made on good tactic scripting strategies. One question on Reavers what stats exactly govern the damage Devour does? Is it based on strength, weapon DPS or even *gasp* magic? I'd be quite depressed if it was the latter. I'm asking because the listed damage Devour deals on my talent tree is currently 27 at level 7, compared to 84+ from the Two Handed Weapon strikes. I'm curious to know how the skill scales, especially considering how many hit points lieutenants, and hell even normal mobs get towards the end of the game. (I'm looking at you act 3 rage demons!)

[DragonRageGT]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I just found out that I have been using a gimped character throughout act 2. Getting Isabella friendship makes your character attack slower and slower, until he is barely moving. And sebastian friendship lowers your damage resistance lower and lower until you are at -35%. I am at -1%. No wonder those demons with xebenkeck could practically 2 shot me. This game is just full of bugs

LOL... you might list them, perhaps? I have no idea of what are the bugs. Just reached level 10 and having fun with my two hander. Only thing I changed asap was the Blood Dragon set. I really hate the looks and could find a decent plate in a shop. Also, I'm trying to get a new sword. Bonus items kinda spoil the game for me. Pitty they sell so cheap. (Love my purist 2 Handers in Origins and the gold from blood dragon armor right at Ostagar is really all the bonus I could wish)

I'm really glad you made this guide because this game in anything other than Nightmare would be boring and so fast, imho. And NM without this guide would be such a pain! heh

Oh, and pitty we can't have Champion specialization too. I love my champ/zerker! =)

Modifié par RageGT, 16 mars 2011 - 05:56 .