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[Greybox_Inception]

Fixers0 wrote...

I think Shepard should be adressed as:
Ultimate Supreme Overlord Chairman General Kick-Ass Shepard.

he's just a ordinary soldier:lol:

[Zulu_DFA]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I think Shepard should be adressed as:
Ultimate Supreme Overlord Chairman General Kick-Ass Shepard.

he's just a ordinary soldier[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Ordinary soldiers are General Infantry.

Shepard is not an ordinary soldier, he is N7. That's why he is a mere Lieutenant Commander.

[RainyDayLover]

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

[Greybox_Inception]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I think Shepard should be adressed as:
Ultimate Supreme Overlord Chairman General Kick-Ass Shepard.

he's just a ordinary soldier[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

 


Ordinary soldiers are General Infantry.

Shepard is not an ordinary soldier, he is N7. That's why he is a mere Lieutenant Commander.

here we go with this bullcrap again. this is the reason why i made this thread in the first place. he is not a LT COMMANDER, Mr Zulu Kahn, he's allegeldy COMMANDER, supposed to be CAPTAIN and NOT COMMANDER (Why is there a ship with only a COMMANDER who isn't LT COMANNDER and not a CAPTAIN onboard as COMMANDING OFFICER?)..... where the stupidity do you people get this misconception crap from?

please don't say 1LT COMMANDER/2LT COMMANDER is above COMMANDER:( because it ain't.

[Greybox_Inception]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

dude, sargent is way below commander. that's not even N7/commission in hypothetical speak.

Enlisted ranks = cadet/private, corporal, sargent/master chief, etc
officer ranks (commission) = ensign, 2lt, 1lt/major, commander/lt colonel, captain/colonel

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 08 mars 2011 - 03:43 .

[Mynoot]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

 it seem like someone's lying or tampering with people's ranks. getting caught up in their foolery/lies/incompetence. their inconsistency notes how they actually don't know what they're doing or effing talking about, yet want to be number 1.

shepard is supposed to be captain.

some people make as if he's lt. commander/major, yet allegedly commander. then they'd make as if he's major, which is still lt. commander below commander. people can't make up their incompetent minds about some guy's rank yet want to proclaim his actual rank as captain as their's when they're likely as experienced as a cadet, likely being one.

N7 Special training Program = military academy of the systems alliance = becoming a commissioned officer = shepard surpassed ensign (5 1/2 to 6 years of promotions), the major/lt commander (6 to 7 years of promotions), alegedly being commander (7 to 8 years), supposed to be captain (8 to 9 years of promotions and experiences).

Wow, must have been some deep hits off the bong for this practically incoherant post.

Anyway, promotions are NOT guaranteed, especially the promotion to captain, which is the equiv of Colonel in the ground pounder military, at least in real life.

1. There has to be a slot.  You don't prmote just because you can. There needs to be utility for the person being promoted.
2. Time in service is not the only qualifier. There is time in rank, promotion points (gained by TiS and TiR, schooling, experience in combat, etc) and the above statement.

There is more to getting a promotion than your simple understanding.

[StowyMcStowstow]

vader da slayer wrote...

ummmm in today's Navy (using the US Navy as I don't know anything about ranks in other countries navies) a Commander is below captain, anytime they call him a captain its in refference to his command of the Normandy and a ship's commander (generic use of the word commander here not the rank) is usually a Captain (such as Captain Blackbeard or Captain Jack Sparrow to use a couple pirate refferences).

also Lt. Commander is higher in rank than Commander (much like Lt. Colonel is higher than Colonel).

even in todays military if you graduate from a military academy you are promoted to 2nd Lt. (or w/e the lowest level officer is that isn't warrant officer, which I don't think is an officer rank). without having to pass through private, sargeant and warrant officer ranks. and he's gained the rank of Commander so quickly most likely due to his actions in the military (holding the line during teh blitz, survivng the thresher maw or you ability to get teh job done at any cost).

oh and Hannah shepard is you mom if you chose the Spacer background.

Lt. Colonel is not higher than Colonel. The Officer rank structure (in the USAF, USMC, and the Army) goes second Lt, first Lt, Captain, Major, Lt. Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier General, Major General, Lt. General, General.  In the Navy and Coast guard, it goes Ensign, Lt. Junior Grade, Lieutenant, Lt Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral Lower half, Rear Admiral Upper half, Vice Admiral, Fleet Admiral, Admiral.

On topic, Commander Shepard should be a Commander, because being a Captain would be unbelieveable (Anderson is much older than Shepard, and a Captain). Commander is the Navy equivalent of a Lieutenant Colonel, so it makes sense that Shepard would go through officer school after a few years of enlistment, then go up hte ranks normally, then be promoted faster after being a Soloe Survivor/ War Hero/ the other option. It would take 6-7 years for Shepard to achieve his current rank, less if he got promoted quickly. I really don't know what your argument is, Greybox.

Modifié par StowyMcStowstow, 08 mars 2011 - 03:52 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

dude, sargent is way below commander. that's not even N7/commission in hypothetical speak.

Enlisted ranks = cadet/private, corporal, sargent/master chief, etc
officer ranks (commission) = ensign, 2lt, 1lt/major, commander/lt colonel, captain/colonel

SYSTEMS ALLIANCE: MILITARY RANKS

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years.
Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers
(NCOs), and specially trained officers.
 
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a
specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the
futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a
matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and
Corporals instead of Servicemen.
 
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:
 
ENLISTED
*Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
*Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
*Serviceman 1st class/Corporal
 
NCOs
*Service Chief
*Gunnery Chief
*Operations Chief
 
OFFICERS
*2nd Lieutenant
*1st Lieutenant
*Staff Lieutenant
*Lieutenant Commander
*Staff Commander
*Captain/Major
*Rear Admiral/General
*Admiral
*Fleet Admiral

Shepard's rank is designated as "Lt. Commander" in the "Background" article in the ME1 Codex. (It doesn't transfer to the ME2 Codex though).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 08 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[xI extremist Ix]

1) It is a future military so throw prior knowledge out.
2) You can't get promoted in death
3) AWOL in ME2
4) QQ

[Pwener2313]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

The only good thing to come out of this thread.

[Ghost Warrior]

I like this guy's threads,always makes me laugh.

[Pwener2313]

He's overdoing it lately though. I myself am getting sick of them. They were funny at the start, now they just annoy with non funny posts.

[AlanC9]

And yet you keep following the thread, Pwener2313. If Greybox is running out of material, why bother.

[UKStory135]

Considering that he was only 29 when ME1 ended and ME2 began, Commander is a high rank. Since he is a Spectre and no longer an Alliance Officer, he probably is beyond their ability to promote anymore.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I like Greybox especially when he goes on rants about the quarians. His mind is a bit fried, that's all.

Going by that codex ranking system I expect Shepard to have been promoted to Staff Commander after saving the whole damned galaxy in ME1.

[Greybox_Inception]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

1) It is a future military so throw prior knowledge out.
2) You can't get promoted in death
3) AWOL in ME2
4) QQ

5) lets suit shepard up in full armor then, with him being fully armed
6) bring it
7) bullcrap is pointless
8) i'm sure the military is just the same in anytime
9) he didn't awol in ME2 someone held him in their possession while he's in a state of unawareness
10) QQ?

[Village_Idiot]

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Modifié par Shadrach 88, 09 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[Greybox_Inception]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

dude, sargent is way below commander. that's not even N7/commission in hypothetical speak.

Enlisted ranks = cadet/private, corporal, sargent/master chief, etc
officer ranks (commission) = ensign, 2lt, 1lt/major, commander/lt colonel, captain/colonel

SYSTEMS ALLIANCE: MILITARY RANKS

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. 
Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers 
(NCOs), and specially trained officers. 
 
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a 
specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the 
futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a 
matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and 
Corporals instead of Servicemen. 
 
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: 
 
ENLISTED 
cadet/recruit
*Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class 
*Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class 
*Serviceman 1st class/Corporal 
 
NCOs 
*Service Chief 
*Gunnery Chief 
*Operations Chief 
 
OFFICERS 
Ensign
*2nd Lieutenant 
*1st Lieutenant
*Staff Lieutenant 
*Lieutenant Commander/major 
*Staff Commander = this is shepard alleged rank 
*Captain/Colonel = this should be shepard's rank
*Rear Admiral/General  = this should anderson's rank
*Admiral 
*Fleet Admiral

Shepard's rank is designated as "Lt. Commander" in the "Background" article in the ME1 Codex. (It doesn't transfer to the ME2 Codex though).

this is the most retardest thing ever..... who came up with the "systems" alliance ranking chart? you did? maybe people who produced mass effect don't know much about the ranks of the military, maybe it's just entertainment.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] "we just want a cool story and space stuff not knowing much about actual militaries." entertainers

corban shepard's personality is like captain kirk's, captain han solo, captain dylan from andromeda, and captain planet's all in one...."how the hell can someone take my rank from captain to friggin lt. commander/major? what the incompetent hypocrisy nerf herding horsecrap is this?", Capt. Han Solo

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 09 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[Greybox_Inception]

[quote]Shadrach 88 wrote...

[smilie]http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/206/insanel.jpg[/smilie] tali's bat**** insane. my shepard wouldn't do her loyalty mission, would also not recruit her as a sqaud member .... he definitely wouldn't board that fotila or be near her quarian fleet. my shepard would have absolutely no relations to tali period, nothing to do with her.

Modifié par Greybox_Inception, 09 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[The Fan]

 Ok seriously, how is this guy NOT banned yet?

[Arrow70]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's
to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important
Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

dude, sargent is
way below commander. that's not even N7/commission in hypothetical
speak.

Enlisted ranks = cadet/private, corporal, sargent/master chief, etc
officer ranks (commission) = ensign, 2lt, 1lt/major, commander/lt colonel, captain/colonel

SYSTEMS ALLIANCE: MILITARY RANKS

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. 
Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers 
(NCOs), and specially trained officers. 
 
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a 
specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the 
futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a 
matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and 
Corporals instead of Servicemen. 
 
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: 
 
ENLISTED 
cadet/recruit
*Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class 
*Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class 
*Serviceman 1st class/Corporal 
 
NCOs 
*Service Chief 
*Gunnery Chief 
*Operations Chief 
 
OFFICERS 
Ensign
*2nd Lieutenant 
*1st Lieutenant
*Staff Lieutenant 
*Lieutenant Commander/major 
*Staff Commander = this is shepard alleged rank 
*Captain/Colonel = this should be shepard's rank
*Rear Admiral/General  = this should anderson's rank
*Admiral 
*Fleet Admiral

Shepard's
rank is designated as "Lt. Commander" in the "Background" article in
the ME1 Codex. (It doesn't transfer to the ME2 Codex though).

this is the most retardest thing ever.....

So when shown clear and decisive evidence that you are wrong you respond with quote "this is the most retardest thing ever"?

Greybox_Inception wrote...
who came up with the "systems" alliance ranking chart? you did? maybe
people who produced mass effect don't know much about the ranks of the
military, maybe it's just entertainment.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] "we just want a cool story and space stuff not knowing much about actual militaries." entertainers

Yeah that's from the codex, written by the creators of this FICTIONAL universe. Not only does it say it is a modified
version (meaning different than before if you need clarification, but
since they created this again fictional world they could say Comander
shepard was made of cheese if they wanted to.


Either you enjoy f***ing with people to see what response you get, or you get off on making people not like you.
At this point either is possible.

[33percent]

Honestly I'm sick of the idea of academics playing a role in the military. Frankly I think your brainwashed by that idea. Experience overules academics anyday, but sad to know today in our U.S military. You can have some dipsh!t having no experience in combat but since he has a college degree, he has the right to command men with combat experience?

So we have men who are booksmart but have no common sense commanding men who are not booksmart but having common sense. Shepard is not incompetent in any matter, he kicked **** proved his worth rose the ranks based ON EXPERIENCE.

He deserves the rank even if he made it within 2-3 years. Hell today even if you saved 100 men, and risked your life to save them behind enemy lines. All you receive is a medal thats it, no promotion in rank, no given authority. Today with no actual wars going on its just bureaucracy now.

[Bluko]

OP I have no clue what you were trying to say with your original post. Are you on Charlie Sheen or something?

Shepard is a "Lieutenant Commander" which most people (even in the military) will refer to as simply "Commander" to be more brief. The only time someone would call Shepard a "Lieutenant Commander" is if they are refering to him/her in very formal matter. Like if Shepard was being awarded a medal or something like that, at which Shepard would probably wear some kind of spiffy uniform like Anderson.

Now Shepard is not ranked as a "Captain", and it's unlikely Shepard will ever get that rank since:
A) Shepard died.
Shepard went AWOL with Cerberus

However Shepard is the acting Captain of the Normandy. Anyone who is in charge of ship is generally referred to as a Captain as a gesture of respect, even if that is not their rank. It's also why Shepard is called the "Skipper" and "CO" (Commanding Officer), because Shepard is the person in charge of the ship.

As for how Shepard became a Lt. Commander, well Shepard obviously spent a good decade or so in the Alliance military so the rank of Lt. Commander seems about right. Also Shepard is apparently a natural leader hence why Shepard is likely a Special Forces Officer. That's the whole deal with the N7 logo. Shepard isn't just an elite Soldier (which generally tend to be Sergeants), Shepard is an elite line Officer. Shepard's job is to take command on the field in only the most important missions.Which means it's unlikely Shepard would ever be promoted beyond the rank of Captain. I mean Shepard could become an Admiral maybe, but that would probably only happen once Shepard gets very old and is no longer fit enough to serve in the field. Hence why most Admiral and Generals are older. Although there are plenty of Officers who never go beyond Colonel/Captain as well.

Hannah Shepard (Shepard's Mom) is probably about 60 something so it's not a big surprise that she would become an Admiral. Although I do find it odd how age is regarded in Mass Effect given that most humans have a life span of like 100+ years I'd imagine.

If you recall this is essentially what happened to Anderson (if he isn't on the Council he becomes an Admiral).


For Mass Effect 3 though I think Shepard should be promoted based on the following decisions...

Romanced Miranda = Rear Admiral
Romanced Tali = Fleet Admiral
Romanced Jacob =Grand Admiral (The prize!)

(Romancing anyone else just makes you Captain, sorry.)

[Zulu_DFA]

Greybox_Inception wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Greybox_Inception wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Clearly, you're all mistaken.

He's to be addressed as: Sergeant of the Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max Shepard

dude, sargent is way below commander. that's not even N7/commission in hypothetical speak.

Enlisted ranks = cadet/private, corporal, sargent/master chief, etc
officer ranks (commission) = ensign, 2lt, 1lt/major, commander/lt colonel, captain/colonel

SYSTEMS ALLIANCE: MILITARY RANKS

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. 
Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers 
(NCOs), and specially trained officers. 
 
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a 
specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the 
futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a 
matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and 
Corporals instead of Servicemen. 
 
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: 
 
ENLISTED 
*Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class 
*Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class 
*Serviceman 1st class/Corporal 
 
NCOs 
*Service Chief 
*Gunnery Chief 
*Operations Chief 
 
OFFICERS 
*2nd Lieutenant 
*1st Lieutenant
*Staff Lieutenant 
*Lieutenant Commander/major 
*Staff Commander
*Captain/Colonel
*Rear Admiral/General
*Admiral 
*Fleet Admiral

Shepard's rank is designated as "Lt. Commander" in the "Background" article in the ME1 Codex. (It doesn't transfer to the ME2 Codex though).

this is the most retardest thing ever..... who came up with the "systems" alliance ranking chart? you did? maybe people who produced mass effect don't know much about the ranks of the military, maybe it's just entertainment.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] "we just want a cool story and space stuff not knowing much about actual militaries." entertainers

corban shepard's personality is like captain kirk's, captain han solo, captain dylan from andromeda, and captain planet's all in one...."how the hell can someone take my rank from captain to friggin lt. commander/major? what the incompetent hypocrisy nerf herding horsecrap is this?", Capt. Han Solo

How much do you know about "actual militaries"? Shepard is 29 years old and his rank is corresponding to today's Army/Marines Major, that's pretty decent in a well established (means: slow promotions) military.

Seriously, chill out! I like your style, but you're raving about the wrong thing. How about you pick any of these:

1) Left-handed salute.
2) Shoulder insignia mismatched.
3) Ashley as a mere NCO can't command the mission on Horizon..

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 09 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[MajorStranger]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

1) It is a future military so throw prior knowledge out.
2) You can't get promoted in death
3) AWOL in ME2
4) QQ

Don't forget he's not an Alliance Officer anymore, he's a spectre. Now that he have his own ship He doesn't even need the Alliance anymore.