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[nenosronhir]

*snort* Honestly! There should be a quest roughly equivalent to Captured! from Origins, that triggers in Act III if you rack up enough ill-timed banters in the Gallows. XD

Hawke: This is what I get for going out in public with you people. *facepalm*

My first playthrough was a mage, so it would have been Carver there for me, also (but what caption?! "obligatory sacrifice that no one really feels too bad about"? XD) - but I only got a screencap of my rogue playthrough. I'm just glad I took Carver and Anders along on my first playthrough - I would have been seriously pissed to come back and find out he'd off and joined the Templars (or died). :|

Edit: Disgruntled Anders for top!

Modifié par nenosronhir, 19 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[snarkycleric]

@Aeowyn:

Oh, yeah, that one, too! Yep, my Hawke's totally not a mage, Ser Cullen, that big stick you see strapped to her back is actually some driftwood she found along the Wounded Coast... yep. And the blond guy with her? Totally not the apostate you're looking for. Nope. Not at all. Moving along now...

[Sylph_14]

snarkycleric wrote...

@Aeowyn:

Oh, yeah, that one, too! Yep, my Hawke's totally not a mage, Ser Cullen, that big stick you see strapped to her back is actually some driftwood she found along the Wounded Coast... yep. And the blond guy with her? Totally not the apostate you're looking for. Nope. Not at all. Moving along now...

It's just a hiking pole. After all, Sundermount and the Wounded Coast both have some precariously steep slopes

Modifié par Sylph_14, 19 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Nivilant]

It's the ugly stick. She uses it to beat recurring characters, unless her boyfriend gets there first with the pretty stick.

[DeaHamlet]

nenosronhir wrote...

Oh man, Carver's such a ******, but I love him. ;~; I just-- gah, I wish Bethany/Carver were around longer than Act 1, and that you got more than a perfunctory, bitter letter from them if you send them off to be Grey Wardens. D: I haven't seen what happens if they become Circle Mage/Templar yet.

Hey, that was my exact team this time around (though Anders was not the love interest).  I was an archer as well!

WOOTNESS!  Hot

[leggywillow]

Batteries wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Well that explains that then

Love Hawke's tone of voice when he asks about it.

::dies laughing::

OMG, I love how Anders pulls the "Are you saying all mages look alike?!" card.  XD

[DeaHamlet]

Okay, I just read the story about Anders and his transformation... omg. Poor Anders, where was the warden to help you and guide you!!!

Mind you, if my warden was around, they'd still all end up dead. But maybe the grey wardens themselves would have been wiser than to attempt to give Anders over to the templars.

Maybe if they hadn't tried to give him over, maybe his first experience wouldn't have tainted him... but maybe it's all a mute point because the injustice of the world would have eventually awakened Vengeance.
The story upset me though. Anders was ALWAYS with me, I even trusted him to guard the keep... how dare them even suggest Lorelei would have left Anders by himself? Outrage!

My warden never once supported the templars, how dare one of the wardens give Anders over?
BOO! Traitors.

[snarkycleric]

OMG, I love how Anders pulls the "Are you saying all mages look alike?!" card. XD

I keep hearing that in the... Avenue Q fashion.

"What are you trying to say, huh?
That we all look the same to you?
Huh, huh, huh?"

[DragonRacer]

nenosronhir wrote...

Haha, yeah, not to mention dressing a mage-y Hawke up in Circle robes (or robes of any variety!) I guess Templars just have off-days whenever the Champion and his/her entourage are around...

Yeah, that's always pretty funny. I toted Anders and Merrill around everywhere, but the Gallows was always hilarious. Yup, these are not the apostates you're looking for, move along, nothing to see here. LOL

However, try bringing Fenris with you one time. I remember returning to the Gallows for the first time with Varric, Fenris, and Anders in tow... and Fenris says something along the lines of, "Do you think it's wise for us to come here, considering our present company?"

Was nice to hear SOMEONE acknowledge the lack of foresight in all this. Though, my rogue Hawke was basically prepared to kick any templar booty that decided to try anything, but still...

[GailRana]

snarkycleric wrote...

@Aeowyn:

Oh, yeah, that one, too! Yep, my Hawke's totally not a mage, Ser Cullen, that big stick you see strapped to her back is actually some driftwood she found along the Wounded Coast... yep. And the blond guy with her? Totally not the apostate you're looking for. Nope. Not at all. Moving along now...

Hawk: *waves hand* "These aren't the mages you're looking for."

Templar: "These aren't the mages we're looking for."

[snarkycleric]

GailRana wrote...


Hawk: *waves hand* "These aren't the mages you're looking for."

Templar: "These aren't the mages we're looking for."

Ah, the joys of blood magic?

[Nivilant]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Okay, I just read the story about Anders and his transformation... omg. Poor Anders, where was the warden to help you and guide you!!!

Mind you, if my warden was around, they'd still all end up dead. But maybe the grey wardens themselves would have been wiser than to attempt to give Anders over to the templars.

Maybe if they hadn't tried to give him over, maybe his first experience wouldn't have tainted him... but maybe it's all a mute point because the injustice of the world would have eventually awakened Vengeance.
The story upset me though. Anders was ALWAYS with me, I even trusted him to guard the keep... how dare them even suggest Lorelei would have left Anders by himself? Outrage!

My warden never once supported the templars, how dare one of the wardens give Anders over?
BOO! Traitors.

Oh I know. I'm guessing it happens while the Warden's away from the keep? It's a pretty big assumption for the player character if not. Mahariel certainly wouldn't have let it go.

In fact I think one of the few times I've been proud of my little Dalish spitfire is imagining the bloody retribution waiting for whatever person thought that giving Pounce away and letting the Templar warden trail Anders was a good idea. I always end up forming a sort of movie out of the games in my head. It helps get around the dull stare the Warden has at all times. So the thought of Reaver!Mahariel storming up the keep's steps with a face like bloody murder... so very satisfying.

It makes me wonder how many of the Awakening companions were present. Surely one of them would be a senior warden? I can't imagine Nathaniel or Sigrun allowing it, for example. Hmm. Having said that, I suppose if it was perceived that Anders had turned on his fellows without provocation.

It confuses me, because Nathaniel clearly isn't angry with him, or even perhapsaware of what's happened. Were all the companions off recruiting or something?

[DeaHamlet]

@Nivilant
Yeah, it confuses me too. I haven't had the Nathaniel encounter cause my import borked for some reason. But yeah... my mage was a rather reasonable nice person, but hell to anyone that threatens her friends! And she was not keen on templars, especially after they wanted ALL the mages killed at the circle in DA:O. *grrrr*

This all reminds me of the overheard conversation between Seb and Fenris where Seb says they should turn the apostates in... you'd think the warden's friends would know better than to allow Anders to be given to the templars.

And Anders only attacked them AFTER they brought the templars into it. Before that he was just feverish and glowy. As per the story.

You know what? I call BS on the story. There.

[TripLight]

I already have a story in my head of my F!Surana, upon hearing from Nathaniel or Stroud of Anders being in Kirkwall, taking command of a merchant vessel and "convincing" the captain and crew to head for the city, to reclaim what is her's so to speak. And Maker help Meredith should she get in Surana's way, for indeed hellfire will rain from the sky.

[Sarah1281]

Just curious, by my Kaya isn't the only one who loves Justice as much as Anders, is she? ...Maybe so.

I pretty much hate DA2 Justice, actually, though I liked him uncorrupted in Awakening. He's the part of Anders in DA2 that I have to tolerate because I know it's not going anywhere anytime soon and yet I'd be much happier if Justice were gone.

I've got to admit, I'm not sure I understand how Hawke CAN love Justice as much as Anders. You see him only a handfull of times. He comes out to yell at you if you rivalmance Anders and you talk to him in the Fade. Other than than, you really don't get a chance to talk to him. Are you referring to Awakening!Justice? The ideal of Justice? Attribute all of Anders' mage-saving tendencies to Justice? Think that they really are one and the same?

Other than that we seem to agree on what Justice does, but where I think Anders is more for Justice, you seem to think he's less for it? - which is understandable if you want him to stay/return to being Awakening!Anders more than what he becomes in DA2. I prefer his growth in DA2. XD;

I think that Anders took Justice in in the first place because he had already experienced character growth and wasn't exactly like Awakenings!Anders. Justice convinced him to take up the cause for other mages and don't see that as a problem. I DO think he's lesser for what that led him to do in letting Justice possess him.

[Nivilant]

I have a personal head-canon too. I always do with 'pick your own path' type games. For F!Mahariel it was very much 'I hate the world all you can burn' in Origins, simmering down in Awakening to 'I have found about six people in the world I care about at all, and dammit you do not want to harm them while you have something that I can hurt'.

So for DA2, disregarding the 'Warden disappears' thing (because I'm a sucker for search and rescue), Mahariel arrives just in time to see what a mess Kirkwall has become (at Nathaniel's or Zevran's behest I'd wager. Sneaky sneaky rogues) and what's about to go down with not only Anders but Merrill as well.

Fun times. Especially given she's a Reaver and a Berserker too. Yay, don't control your anger, use it! Hahaha! >

I can just hear her spitting at Meredith. 'Warden authority is above yours Templar. Back down, or I will break you.'

*snerk* I have a thing about violently protective player characters I guess. Perhaps I should write it up.

[Raiil]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Okay, I just read the story about Anders and his transformation... omg. Poor Anders, where was the warden to help you and guide you!!!

Mind you, if my warden was around, they'd still all end up dead. But maybe the grey wardens themselves would have been wiser than to attempt to give Anders over to the templars.

Maybe if they hadn't tried to give him over, maybe his first experience wouldn't have tainted him... but maybe it's all a mute point because the injustice of the world would have eventually awakened Vengeance.
The story upset me though. Anders was ALWAYS with me, I even trusted him to guard the keep... how dare them even suggest Lorelei would have left Anders by himself? Outrage!

My warden never once supported the templars, how dare one of the wardens give Anders over?
BOO! Traitors.

I can't speak for other Wardens either, but my Amell- who is sympathetic for obvious reasons- would have been highly, highly pissed, and the templar-Warden would have learned the meaning of 'invasion of privacy' very early on, because two can play at that game, amirite? See how much you like it when I tell Velanna to watch your ~*every*~ mood. Karma can be a b---h; or Dalish, as it were.

Just another reason not to trust the Wardens. lol I'm so anti-Chantry, anti-Warden at this point it's kind of sad.

[Raiil]

Nivilant wrote...

*snerk* I have a thing about violently protective player characters I guess. Perhaps I should write it up.

Write it! I'm the same way with mine; my Amell would swim seas of broken glass to protect the people she loves, and she'll give others what-for if they try to cross any lines.


Oo now I want to see my Amell staring down the Revered Mother in Denerim after what happens in Kirkwall. Dammit, I shouldn't have stopped writing.

[DeaHamlet]

@Nivilant
Hehehe, awesome take on the whole thing, especially the spitting at Meredith part. Hahaha.
Really... how can the warden NOT be there getting all in Meredith's business? At least if you made Alistair king he tries... that was kind of a nice touch, I think. (no, my Alistair was not king, I just saw the videos)

[Sarah1281]

Yeah I like rival-mancing him better. It's more realistic for our relationship because I kind of want to protect him from himself? and although I want to free mages I don't agree with "their" methods. (Justice/Anders)

My only problem with the rivalmance is that most of the ways I've racked up rivalry points is by working with the templars. There have been little things like sending what's-his-name to the Dalish that Anders disapproved of for whatever reason but it's not much. Even if I don't work with the templars and only try to gain rivalry points via dialogue, a lot of the time it's telling him that mages belong at the Circle.

I'd have to disagree with Justice and Anders benefiting from this "union". Justice stopped being objective and Anders lost a bit of himself in the process. They're filled with vengeance. When was vengeance a good thing? That doesn't sit well with me. They were better off separate. I'm just playing right now and I'm on the friendly path with Anders. He just told me "I hope you won't let me loose myself to Justice.."

I agree. When he says that he doesn't think there's anything left in him besides his rage at the templars and 'Justice' then how can this merger be a good thing?

If Hawke supports Anders, in the end Anders and Justice just become one, Anders doesn't lose himself to Justice, Justice just becomes part of him.

I don't think that Justice can really integrate with Anders and have him still be Anders any more than the abomination!Connor was really Connor when he was referring to Isolde as his mother, Eamon as his father, and Redcliffe as his domain. Or even Uldred who without possession wouldn't have thrown demons and other possessions into the mix of his blood mage revolt.

I really don't want to see them merge. It just sounds horrible for both of them.

[GailRana]

snarkycleric wrote...

GailRana wrote...


Hawk: *waves hand* "These aren't the mages you're looking for."

Templar: "These aren't the mages we're looking for."

Ah, the joys of blood magic?

Blood magic seems awfully cose to Jedi mind tricks.... hm....

[Sarah1281]

Maybe if they hadn't tried to give him over, maybe his first experience wouldn't have tainted him... but maybe it's all a mute point because the injustice of the world would have eventually awakened Vengeance.
The story upset me though. Anders was ALWAYS with me, I even trusted him to guard the keep... how dare them even suggest Lorelei would have left Anders by himself? Outrage!

I just don't even understand what happens there. The Wardens pride themselves on their autonomy. What's more, they NEED it to function. Then all of a sudden the Chantry isn't happy that the have a mage in the Wardens even though he's no longer technically an apostate? So they allow Chantry oversight? What the hell? Duncan must be turning over in his grave.

I have a personal head-canon too. I always do with 'pick your own path' type games. For F!Mahariel it was very much 'I hate the world all you can burn' in Origins, simmering down in Awakening to 'I have found about six people in the world I care about at all, and dammit you do not want to harm them while you have something that I can hurt'.

My Hawke is pretty pro-mage...for Bethany's sake. If it weren't for the fact that she wanted to first protect and then reclaim Bethany from the templars, I doubt she would have felt very strongly about the situation...which Anders seemed to pick up on as he kept bringing Bethany's plight up whenever he was talking about the importance of helping mages.

[snarkycleric]

On the topic of What Would Our Wardens Do -

My Surana would be absolutely furious too. I foresee Arcane Warrior!Surana yelling at the Wardens for forcing Anders to give away Ser Pounce-a-lot because I GAVE HIM THAT CAT DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF RESPECT FOR FRIENDSHIP AND PERSONAL POSSESSIONS etc. And then it's off to Kirkwall with a cat in tow for poor Anders. She was awfully fond of him.

[Sarah1281]

It's like the Wardens are going "But you don't understand! We have to be soulless hardasses in order to be able to fight darkspawn!"
And the Warden would respond "I ended the freaking Blight while routinely rescuing kittens."

[Nivilant]

snarkycleric wrote...

On the topic of What Would Our Wardens Do -

My Surana would be absolutely furious too. I foresee Arcane Warrior!Surana yelling at the Wardens for forcing Anders to give away Ser Pounce-a-lot because I GAVE HIM THAT CAT DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF RESPECT FOR FRIENDSHIP AND PERSONAL POSSESSIONS etc. And then it's off to Kirkwall with a cat in tow for poor Anders. She was awfully fond of him.

Oh God don't mess with an Origins Arcane Warrior! Righteous lightning sword up the butt.

It would have to either be a stand-in, or a higher authority than The Warden I suppose. Argh, yeah now I have to write this. It won't leave me alone. Dammit.