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[YamiSnuffles]

LT123 wrote...

Glad to know the romance gets better in Act III. It's a good thing I love your voice, Fenris!

I played an aggressive Hawke so I could punch the demon in the Deep Roads, and now I'm back to sarcastic Hawke. Going for Hawke's rambling outside the chantry after Saemus' death.

Do you have to be aggressive Hawke to punch the demon? My canon Hawke is about 65% diplomatic, 34% snark and only maybe 1% aggressive, and she's punched the demon both playthroughs. Maybe it's because she's aggressively anti-demon.

Graah, top again...

This happens one more time to me and Swanders is coming out.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 17 avril 2011 - 05:13 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

Kolotosa wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Any babies on your doorstep, yet, Kawamura?
'Twill happen.

I am having serious issues with Anders today.
Anybody else have the double-convo glitch?
I just had two of the SAME conversation with him. It's after the Justice quest. After we finished talking, I clicked on him again, and it started the same conversation. So I picked a bunch of neg options thinking it wouldn't matter, since we're at full friendship.
And I get....-15 Rivalry?
>.> So either I wasn't really at full friendship...just really close.
Or the game just butt-raped me. Now I have to reload.

Yeah, the last two characters I did, I got a problem like that. 

I went to the chantry, distracted Elthina, and when that cutscene ended, I was back at Anders' clinic. When i spoke to hime agian, he went through his spiel about needing me to distract the Cleric. Okay, crazypants, I guess you're blacking out or something 'cause we just did that. I left Darktown, went back to the Estate, and there he was with the completion dialogue. 'Twas strange.

I've had issues with Aveline like that, too. Doing the Long Road quests, I went to the room to talk to Donnic, and when I clicked on the door, a cutscene with Viscount Dumar started up. Very off-putting.

Glad I'm not the only one.
It didn't seem to mess with anything else, but I went ahead and reloaded, just in case.
I don't want to do what I did in my first playthrough. 
I got the no-texture glitch at the end of Act 2. The Qunari were walking around without bodies, and EVERYTHING was white, but I was just sitting there, nervously laughing to myself, like, "Ohhh...that just must be the way it's supposed to be."
Ten minutes later I get an eternal loading screen.

[Purposeof-Flight]

Kawamura wrote...

So. Four bear traps or five?

I mean, I don't want to look like I'm afraid. Just. Well-prepared. IN LACK OF CHILDREN, VIGILANCE.

It's always good to be prepared. I'd say five.
And get the recipe for a jenga bomb from Anders.
It could be useful, you know...just in case.

Modifié par Purposeof-Flight, 17 avril 2011 - 05:14 .

[MG800]

autumnyte wrote...

LT123 wrote...
Hitchhiker's Guide FTW!

Fenris walked out on me.  This is depressing.

It's kind of weird how the two male romances are opposites at least so far (Act II). After the love scene, Anders was all I LOVE YOU CAN I MOVE IN and Fenris is like, "I can't handle this. This was a mistake" and won't talk to me.

And it really does feel like a mistake. I feel kind of dumped. Maybe if I get a different version of the wall slam scene it will feel better. Fenris just looked kind of surprised in the one I got.

But I will stay loyal, because knowing he's waltzing around with Hawke's favor while Anders is living in Hawke's house would make me feel bad. Maybe it gets better in Act III.

I'm always struck by how the Anders and Fenris' romances are polar opposites, much like their characters. Hawke would give his eye teeth for a happy medium. The Fenris romance tortures me in Act 2, and the Anders one tortures me in Act 3, so it's like a choice between pain now or pain later. 

It does get better in Act 3, though! Waaaay better.

Frankly, Fenris romance makes little sense due to his 3 years of brooding about one night stand. But maybe that's becouse I rivalmanced him - and there's a passion, arguing, sexual tenson then (I guess) sex and after three years he confessed he loves my Hawke... am I the only one who see's something illogical about that?

Modifié par MG800, 17 avril 2011 - 05:17 .

[Kawamura]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

So. Four bear traps or five?

I mean, I don't want to look like I'm afraid. Just. Well-prepared. IN LACK OF CHILDREN, VIGILANCE.

It's always good to be prepared. I'd say five.
And get the recipe for a jenga bomb from Anders.
It could be useful, you know...just in case.

Yes, I think you might be right.

Well. Right. Erm. Traps.

[TripLight]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kolotosa wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Any babies on your doorstep, yet, Kawamura?
'Twill happen.

I am having serious issues with Anders today.
Anybody else have the double-convo glitch?
I just had two of the SAME conversation with him. It's after the Justice quest. After we finished talking, I clicked on him again, and it started the same conversation. So I picked a bunch of neg options thinking it wouldn't matter, since we're at full friendship.
And I get....-15 Rivalry?
>.> So either I wasn't really at full friendship...just really close.
Or the game just butt-raped me. Now I have to reload.

Yeah, the last two characters I did, I got a problem like that. 

I went to the chantry, distracted Elthina, and when that cutscene ended, I was back at Anders' clinic. When i spoke to hime agian, he went through his spiel about needing me to distract the Cleric. Okay, crazypants, I guess you're blacking out or something 'cause we just did that. I left Darktown, went back to the Estate, and there he was with the completion dialogue. 'Twas strange.

I've had issues with Aveline like that, too. Doing the Long Road quests, I went to the room to talk to Donnic, and when I clicked on the door, a cutscene with Viscount Dumar started up. Very off-putting.

Glad I'm not the only one.
It didn't seem to mess with anything else, but I went ahead and reloaded, just in case.
I don't want to do what I did in my first playthrough. 
I got the no-texture glitch at the end of Act 2. The Qunari were walking around without bodies, and EVERYTHING was white, but I was just sitting there, nervously laughing to myself, like, "Ohhh...that just must be the way it's supposed to be."
Ten minutes later I get an eternal loading screen.

I had gotten that while taking the Harrowmont Quest at the Docks, but instead of clicking on him the Cutscene restarted without any kind of prompt.

DAO, RIP Daveth I wish my Surana coulda tapped that before you had death by ****ttail.:crying:And now I can't help but think Anders and he would have gotten along like bros.

[Purposeof-Flight]

MG800 wrote...

autumnyte wrote...

LT123 wrote...
Hitchhiker's Guide FTW!

Fenris walked out on me.  This is depressing.

It's kind of weird how the two male romances are opposites at least so far (Act II). After the love scene, Anders was all I LOVE YOU CAN I MOVE IN and Fenris is like, "I can't handle this. This was a mistake" and won't talk to me.

And it really does feel like a mistake. I feel kind of dumped. Maybe if I get a different version of the wall slam scene it will feel better. Fenris just looked kind of surprised in the one I got.

But I will stay loyal, because knowing he's waltzing around with Hawke's favor while Anders is living in Hawke's house would make me feel bad. Maybe it gets better in Act III.

I'm always struck by how the Anders and Fenris' romances are polar opposites, much like their characters. Hawke would give his eye teeth for a happy medium. The Fenris romance tortures me in Act 2, and the Anders one tortures me in Act 3, so it's like a choice between pain now or pain later. 

It does get better in Act 3, though! Waaaay better.

Frankly, Fenris romance makes little sense due to his 3 years of brooding about one night stand. But maybe that's becouse I rivalmanced him - and there's a passion, arguing, sexual tenson then (I guess) sex and after three years he confessed he loves my Hawke... am I the only one who see something illogical about that?

I think it's perfectly reasonable.
Sleep with someone out of anger, slamming them against walls and such, then sit around for three years and think about it?
Of course.
And you forgot to mention...he's friends with Hawke. So anything is possible at this point.

[Nilfalasiel]

Kawamura wrote...

Anders made available his plans to to blow up the chantry. Just, you now, in a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign saying "beware of Mabari".

This quote is made of pure win.

I'm in lurking mode around this thread for the moment, because I haven't played DA2 yet, despite spoiling myself on what happens (because I'm a bad person like that). So I'll reserve final judgment until I actually do play. But our favourite hobo-mage still has my support, even with all the crap that's happened to the poor guy. Or maybe because of it?

LT123 wrote...

It's a good thing I love your voice, Fenris!

I swear, Gideon Emery's voice is made of gold.

*has very fond memories of Balthier*

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 17 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[nekhbet]

sassperella wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

sassperella wrote...

OK I really really have to stop straying into other forums.... I'm amazed all the hate is still going on, you'd think they'd have found something else to pounce on by now.

There's a long list of reasons why one would hate Anders.
But there's also a long list of reasons why you'd hate every other LI....Anders is just the one who blew up the Chantry.

I don't wander into other threads, mostly because I can't navigate BSN, and because I was in the Fenris thread for awhile and it was incredibly boring.

It's not just Anders, it's hate for the game in general. While I can completely understand and respect peoples reasons for not enjoying the game, the utter vitriolic hate for both the game and some of the characters is just depressing. Ah well at lease here we have kittens, mereanders and a thread festooned with ruffles to cheer me up 

I feel your pain (a few pages back, still catching up). I've a bad bad habit of slipping into forum discussions once I post into one topic...  Shouldn't be such a masochist.

[autumnyte]

MG800 wrote...

Frankly, Fenris romance makes little sense due to his 3 years of brooding about one night stand. But maybe that's becouse I rivalmanced him - and there's a passion, arguing, sexual tenson then (I guess) sex and after three years he confessed he loves my Hawke... am I the only one who see's something illogical about that all?

I have issues with the 3 year gap, but I personally found that it did make sense to me in the context of the Rivalmance. The thing is, it's not logical, it's emotional - and Fenris even admits he was a fool and should have said something long ago. I think he and Hawke are just both stubborn, headstrong and gun shy about relationships. But YMMV.

In terms of Anders, I have a very difficult time reconciling the romance in Act 3. It feels very cold and distant to me...Anders is beginning to pull away, to isolate himself from Hawke, to lie. At the same time, it feels oddly suffocating and out-of-control.  I love Anders, but not sure whether I can ever romance him again for that reason.  

[LT123]

Yep, you have to be aggressive Hawke to punch the demon.

Daveth was awesome. So much cooler than Jory. Every since my first playthrough I always got the "Heh, I'll watch your back" line and it always feels like there's something missing whenever I play as a guy.

I've gotten the repeating cutscenes thing once or twice.

Talking to Emeric to start the Prime Suspect quest:

Emeric: "One if one of the women he murdered was someone you loved?"
Player: Pfff, yeah right.
Gaider: *laughes evilly*

I can't believe I didn't catch that in an earlier playthrough.

[ipgd]

OH BOY I WAKE UP AND MISS THINGS



DA2 really operates out of the expectation of sequels, in a way; with any sequel, you inevitably go into the game with certain expectations of the narrative structure based on the experiences of the original work. A lot of the dramatic tension in the climactic moments of DA2 work precisely because DAO conditioned you to expect free agency and significant influence over events (even if there was ultimately only an illusion of choice in many cases). DA2 often eschews even the illusion of choice all together, and deliberately creates tension by denying the player the satisfaction of their choices having impact -- a kind of powerlessness that's enabled because of your frame of reference. It makes you empathize with Hawke in a way that a purely railroaded narrative couldn't, because the series has shown you agency and actually has something to take away.

Most people seem to react negatively to this, because apparently the compulsion to resist change overrules all fun, but I really like how it was done. The denial of catharsis is as much of a compelling literary device as catharsis itself.

Modifié par ipgd, 17 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[Kawamura]

autumnyte wrote...

In terms of Anders, I have a very difficult time reconciling the romance in Act 3. It feels very cold and distant to me...Anders is beginning to pull away, to isolate himself from Hawke, to lie. At the same time, it feels oddly suffocating and out-of-control.  I love Anders, but not sure whether I can ever romance him again for that reason.  

That's about right.

It's actually a really good feeling for the character I've got. He's very aware that something is happening and the whole explosion actually is a relief in some way.

It's like, ah, here. Done. Free. The sword fell and now he can act again.

[YamiSnuffles]

Now I'm confused because I've punched the demon twice as diplomatic Hawke. As I said, I think she only used aggressive options... two or three times in game? (see top post) So she couldn't have possibly had enough aggressive points. Maybe it's because she's a warrior?

Now I kind of wish I had a save near that point. I love punching that demon. Made me feel badass. Plus, I love doing it after Anders warns against the demon, It's kind of like, "Don't worry sweety. I'd never make a deal with a demon. *FALCON PUNCH!!!*"

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 17 avril 2011 - 05:31 .

[LT123]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Now I'm confused because I've punched the demon twice as diplomatic Hawke. As I said, I think she only used aggressive options... two or three times in game? So she couldn't have possibly had enough aggressive points. Maybe it's because she's a warrior?

Now I kind of wish I had a save near that point. I love punching that demon. Made me feel badass. Plus, I love doing it after Anders warns against the demon, It's kind of like, "Don't worry sweety. I'd never make a deal with a demon. *FALCON PUNCH!!!*"

Hmm. I think you're right-it might be a warrior-only thing. This is the first warrior and first aggressive Hawke I've done. My sarcastic rogues and diplomatic mage couldn't do it. Are the class only options stars or crossed swords, or does it depend on the situation?

Anybody gotten the demon punch with an aggressive rogue or mage or a non-aggressive warrior?

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Now I'm confused because I've punched the demon twice as diplomatic Hawke. As I said, I think she only used aggressive options... two or three times in game? (see top post) So she couldn't have possibly had enough aggressive points. Maybe it's because she's a warrior?

Now I kind of wish I had a save near that point. I love punching that demon. Made me feel badass. Plus, I love doing it after Anders warns against the demon, It's kind of like, "Don't worry sweety. I'd never make a deal with a demon. *FALCON PUNCH!!!*"

Anders would be happy to heal your broken hand at that point, I'm sure. :3

(wait, we are talking about the demon in the deep roads made of rock, right? )

[LT123]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

*has very fond memories of Balthier*

He was my favorite in FFXII. Like Han Solo.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

ipgd wrote...

OH BOY I WAKE UP AND MISS THINGS



DA2 really operates out of the expectation of sequels, in a way; with any sequel, you inevitably go into the game with certain expectations of the narrative structure based on the experiences of the original work. A lot of the dramatic tension in the climactic moments of DA2 work precisely because DAO conditioned you to expect free agency and significant influence over events (even if there was ultimately only an illusion of choice in many cases). DA2 often eschews even the illusion of choice all together, and deliberately creates tension by denying the player the satisfaction of their choices having impact -- a kind of powerlessness that's enabled because of your frame of reference. It makes you empathize with Hawke in a way that a purely railroaded narrative couldn't, because the series has shown you agency and actually has something to take away.

Most people seem to react negatively to this, because apparently the compulsion to resist change overrules all fun, but I really like how it was done. The denial of catharsis is as much of a compelling literary device as catharsis itself.

This.

[Purposeof-Flight]

I haven't gotten the demon punch at all! WTF?

[blauwvis]

ipgd wrote...

DA2 really operates out of the expectation of sequels, in a way; with any sequel, you inevitably go into the game with certain expectations of the narrative structure based on the experiences of the original work. A lot of the dramatic tension in the climactic moments of DA2 work precisely because DAO conditioned you to expect free agency and significant influence over events (even if there was ultimately only an illusion of choice in many cases). DA2 often eschews even the illusion of choice all together, and deliberately creates tension by denying the player the satisfaction of their choices having impact -- a kind of powerlessness that's enabled because of your frame of reference. It makes you empathize with Hawke in a way that a purely railroaded narrative couldn't, because the series has shown you agency and actually has something to take away.

Most people seem to react negatively to this, because apparently the compulsion to resist change overrules all fun, but I really like how it was done. The denial of catharsis is as much of a compelling literary device as catharsis itself.

Right, do you mind if I start quoting you wholesale whenever I feel compelled to explain what I think DA2's doing and why I like it?  My responses tend more towards the disjointed ramble.

On a lighter note, I sometimes wonder just how much data Bioware collects on our game playing.  I have this exaggerated vision of Gaider and Hepler with lab coats and clipboards, watching a monitor...

DG: "Hmm, it appears that Subject #4893 has watched the Anders love scene over 200 times."
Hepler: "I don't know whether to be flattered or disturbed."

[YamiSnuffles]

Kawamura wrote...

Anders would be happy to heal your broken hand at that point, I'm sure. :3

(wait, we are talking about the demon in the deep roads made of rock, right? )

Yeah, that's the one. Come to think of it, you're probably right. That would have made a better scene anyway.

*Hawke punches rock demon and breaks hand*
Hawke: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Anders: Since you didn't make a deal with that demon, I'll heal that for you.

[Heidenreich]

My fenris fangirl is rising and I have to claw back the urge to defend him with all the power of my squee. That being said, I definitely like his friendmance a lot more. I KNOW people who slept together one time, were like "... **** we can't do this", and years and years later got back together, all while still running in the same circle of friends.

It might be awkward at first, but if you're good enough friends, even sleeping together and then deciding not to talk about it isn't going to ruin your friendship.

Then later,w hen he comes back, he's all ".. I'm sorry, I was an idiot. You're single, I'm single.. is there room in your life for me? because I'd love to show you how much I love you..". And then of course, there's always the vibe that comes off that Hawke's just been waiting for him to GET OVER HIMSELF. ;p


That being said, My little Hawkette spent the majority of the remainder of act2 visiting the Brothel >.>


Anders on the other hand, is very opposite. He's very loving and clingy and needy and lovey at the start, but by the time they've gotten to act3, he's begun to distance himself, mostly due to justice taking over. My Hawke always feels detached, like she's holding on to something that's trying to claw her face off and run away at the same time.

[autumnyte]

Kawamura wrote...

That's about right.

It's actually a really good feeling for the character I've got. He's very aware that something is happening and the whole explosion actually is a relief in some way.

It's like, ah, here. Done. Free. The sword fell and now he can act again.

Yes, it really was well executed from a character development standpoint. Every quest felt like I was walking on eggshells. Then you click on Anders during any quest after Justice, and he basically says 'I think it's best we focus on the task at hand'. So emotionally aloof, so single-minded.

My Hawke felt that same sense you're articulating of "at least it's over now" when the Chantry went Ka-Boom. I was glad to have experienced it in the two playthroughs where I romanced Anders, but it was brutal, and not sure I'm up for it again.

[nekhbet]

ipgd wrote...

OH BOY I WAKE UP AND MISS THINGS



DA2 really operates out of the expectation of sequels, in a way; with any sequel, you inevitably go into the game with certain expectations of the narrative structure based on the experiences of the original work. A lot of the dramatic tension in the climactic moments of DA2 work precisely because DAO conditioned you to expect free agency and significant influence over events (even if there was ultimately only an illusion of choice in many cases). DA2 often eschews even the illusion of choice all together, and deliberately creates tension by denying the player the satisfaction of their choices having impact -- a kind of powerlessness that's enabled because of your frame of reference. It makes you empathize with Hawke in a way that a purely railroaded narrative couldn't, because the series has shown you agency and actually has something to take away.

Most people seem to react negatively to this, because apparently the compulsion to resist change overrules all fun, but I really like how it was done. The denial of catharsis is as much of a compelling literary device as catharsis itself.

And this is precisely why I like DA2 so much and am very happy to forgive plotholes etc. little things. I didn't compare it to BDSM for nothing...

[kit___mythie]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Anders made available his plans to to blow up the chantry. Just, you now, in a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign saying "beware of Mabari".

This quote is made of pure win.

I'm in lurking mode around this thread for the moment, because I haven't played DA2 yet, despite spoiling myself on what happens (because I'm a bad person like that). So I'll reserve final judgment until I actually do play. But our favourite hobo-mage still has my support, even with all the crap that's happened to the poor guy. Or maybe because of it?

LT123 wrote...

It's a good thing I love your voice, Fenris!

I swear, Gideon Emery's voice is made of gold.

*has very fond memories of Balthier*

The last time I posted, I think there were only a couple hundred pages. Every time I look or sneeze, there's more posts.  And the Hitchhiker's Guide references? Simply awesome, ewe guise. 

I think you'll enjoy DA2.  It doesn't have the same beacon of hope at the end of the tunnel that DA:O has, but there's charm in this game...what with the buckets of blood on every other corner, same with blood mages, and just the dark atmosphere.

(Off-topic: Gideon Emery broods, I mean, voices Sun Quan in Dynasty Warriors 7. I totally had to play the Wu kingdom story first.)

It's not a bad thing that my guy has an Anders-like nose, can grow Anders-like stubble, and kisses like him.  Too bad I don't get to see him for a while.

Back to lurking. Please keep the lols rolling.