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#26801
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mandamcmoo wrote...

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He wants to make every decision and have every choice have meaning - like DA:O "appeared" to do. I put appeared in quotes because I never felt like any of my decisions in DA:O had any weight.


I always found myself going: why the hell are you asking her? She's a 19 year old girl who is probably slightly unstable having just witnessed the massacre of her entire family, and especially at the Landsmeet, she's clearly biased towards putting her boyfriend on the throne! Don't ask her! Get someone with some damn experience!


19? Wow, my Warden was much older in my head xD But still a complete psychopath.

I think people need to take into consideration that no matter how influcential Hawke was throughout DA2, there was no immidate war going on and Hawke wasn't part of some crazy cult that is often above the law. Most of the time Hawke just gets swept along by everything else.

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mandamcmoo wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

He wants to make every decision and have every choice have meaning - like DA:O "appeared" to do. I put appeared in quotes because I never felt like any of my decisions in DA:O had any weight.


I always found myself going: why the hell are you asking her? She's a 19 year old girl who is probably slightly unstable having just witnessed the massacre of her entire family, and especially at the Landsmeet, she's clearly biased towards putting her boyfriend on the throne! Don't ask her! Get someone with some damn experience!


That was me in DA:O.  "SHUT UP ALLISTAIR! Why are you asking me?!" :lol:

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I don't get this "you're not the hero" business. You're so totally the hero. As far as there is any hero. I mean, the story wouldn't HAPPEN without you. It would be two short acts of brutality then QUNARI TAKE OVER KIRKWALL.

I think what they wanted to show was that even a hero can't change the course of events sometimes. And on that note, bed for me.

...I always make posts that I want to discuss right before bed. Will book mark this post and see what comes of it :D.


To me, Hawke is the hero in a story that doesn't really have any heroes. He's more a protagonist who sometimes performs acts that could be looked upon, in the right light, as heroic. But even then, it's not necessary. You don't have to fight the Qunari to save Kirkwall, after all: handing over Isabela saves everyone a lot of trouble and prevents more people than necessary from being injured, but is it something a hero would do?

And, of course, Hawke's own story is really the story of other people. The basis for Act I is really the only time he's doing something for himself - going on the expedition to make some money to protect and feed his family. The rest of the game isn't about Hawke, it's about the lives that he changes and the things other people want him to do, for good or ill.

Hawke also doesn't seem to really suffer the consequences of his actions, even when other people do. It doesn't matter to Hawke if you kill or arrest Kester, it only matters to Lia and the magistrate. It doesn't hurt Hawke if Feynriel becomes Tranquil or runs to Tevinter, but it changes things for the boy and his family.

The companion quests are the only ones that really change this up, and only in that they affect how the companions as individuals treat you. No one but Aveline is affected if you refuse to do The Long Road, for instance - the other companions aren't outraged that you refuse to run errands for a friend, even if Aveline herself is. When you do assist them, you're still not the focus of the attention: you're just a player in their story, rather than vice versa like people might expect.

It goes back to the average joe thing I've been harping on about, but I can see how some people resent not being the focus of the attention. I like playing a member of this Kirkwall clique, but in many ways Hawke's just not that important. There was a conversation a while ago about characters mistakenly believing they're in a high fantasy story when it's actually low fantasy, and I think that may go for some of the disappointed players as well.

I want to keep writing, but there are teal deer leaping across my screen already.  Image IPB

Modifié par Threeparts, 18 avril 2011 - 11:12 .


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mandamcmoo wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

He wants to make every decision and have every choice have meaning - like DA:O "appeared" to do. I put appeared in quotes because I never felt like any of my decisions in DA:O had any weight.


I always found myself going: why the hell are you asking her? She's a 19 year old girl who is probably slightly unstable having just witnessed the massacre of her entire family, and especially at the Landsmeet, she's clearly biased towards putting her boyfriend on the throne! Don't ask her! Get someone with some damn experience!


Or a dwarven commoner, who knows only Orzammar slums (and a part of Merchant District) and has little idea of a human world
Or a mage who helped escape his/her blood mage friend/burnt down the tower, his/her former home
Or an elf from alienage who killed a noble
Actually if we look more closely to every origin, there isn't anyone who would be good recommendation for making a country-influencing decisions. But especially these four.

Modifié par MG800, 18 avril 2011 - 11:15 .


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Threeparts wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I don't get this "you're not the hero" business. You're so totally the hero. As far as there is any hero. I mean, the story wouldn't HAPPEN without you. It would be two short acts of brutality then QUNARI TAKE OVER KIRKWALL.

I think what they wanted to show was that even a hero can't change the course of events sometimes. And on that note, bed for me.

...I always make posts that I want to discuss right before bed. Will book mark this post and see what comes of it :D.


To me, Hawke is the hero in a story that doesn't really have any heroes. He's more a protagonist who sometimes performs acts that could be looked upon, in the right light, as heroic. But even then, it's not necessary. You don't have to fight the Qunari to save Kirkwall, after all: handing over Isabela saves everyone a lot of trouble and prevents more people than necessary from being injured, but is it something a hero would do?

And, of course, Hawke's own story is really the story of other people. The basis for Act I is really the only time he's doing something for himself - going on the expedition to make some money to protect and feed his family. The rest of the game isn't about Hawke, it's about the lives that he changes and the things other people want him to do, for good or ill.

Hawke also doesn't seem to really suffer the consequences of his actions, even when other people do. It doesn't matter to Hawke if you kill or arrest Kester, it only matters to Lia and the magistrate. It doesn't hurt Hawke if Feynriel becomes Tranquil or runs to Tevinter, but it changes things for the boy and his family.

The companion quests are the only ones that really change this up, and only in that they affect how the companions as individuals treat you. No one but Aveline is affected if you refuse to do The Long Road, for instance - the other companions aren't outraged that you refuse to run errands for a friend, even if Aveline herself is. When you do assist them, you're still not the focus of the attention: you're just a player in their story, rather than vice versa like people might expect.

It goes back to the average joe thing I've been harping on about, but I can see how some people resent not being the focus of the attention. I like playing a member of this Kirkwall clique, but in many ways Hawke's just not that important. There was a conversation a while ago about characters mistakenly believing they're in a high fantasy story when it's actually low fantasy, and I think that may go for some of the disappointed players as well.

I want to keep writing, but there are teal deer leaping across my screen already. :whistle:


I agree. Mind if I send this off to my friend? For some reason my responses just tend to incite him further. Must be my charm. =]

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shiba5 wrote...

I agree. Mind if I send this off to my friend? For some reason my responses just tend to incite him further. Must be my charm. =]


Haha, you can if you like! Basically it boils down to: if you want to save the world, go back to DA:O. If you want to have your world fall to pieces around you, play DA2.

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Threeparts wrote...

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I agree. Mind if I send this off to my friend? For some reason my responses just tend to incite him further. Must be my charm. =]


Haha, you can if you like! Basically it boils down to: if you want to save the world, go back to DA:O. If you want to have your world fall to pieces around you, play DA2.


He also hates Anders "really hard" so I keep sending him screenshots of Anders. I don't think that's helping. I wish Bioware would hire me for their PR department. :innocent:

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CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
Or maybe he has the whole mage manifesto tattooed across his back or chest?
Because one should always keep the revolution in mind, even during nekkid funtiemz.


A couple pages back but... for some reason, I find this idea very hot. Maybe I just have a secret thing for big giant back tattoos. Although I don't think Hawke would be as enthused as I am.

*undresses Anders*
Hawke: Oh look, another copy of Anders' manifesto.

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YamiSnuffles wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
Or maybe he has the whole mage manifesto tattooed across his back or chest?
Because one should always keep the revolution in mind, even during nekkid funtiemz.


A couple pages back but... for some reason, I find this idea very hot. Maybe I just have a secret thing for big giant back tattoos. Although I don't think Hawke would be as enthused as I am.

*undresses Anders*
Hawke: Oh look, another copy of Anders' manifesto.


Damn, that is hot. I wonder what's on his... oh never mind.

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I'm just going to leave this here with you guys. Some Anders art I've been working on. Enjoy and let me know what you guys think. :lol:

Anders Wallpaper
Anders and Hawke - mild NSFW

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YamiSnuffles wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...
Or maybe he has the whole mage manifesto tattooed across his back or chest?
Because one should always keep the revolution in mind, even during nekkid funtiemz.


A couple pages back but... for some reason, I find this idea very hot. Maybe I just have a secret thing for big giant back tattoos. Although I don't think Hawke would be as enthused as I am.

*undresses Anders*
Hawke: Oh look, another copy of Anders' manifesto.


That made me laugh far more than it should have. Probably because I read it in Sarcastic!Hawke's voice.

Hawke: "Why doesn't that surprise me."

Anders: :innocent:

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*Kitty-paws at Anders thread, yawns, passes out cups of hot coffee*

Morning :)

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meonlyred wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here with you guys. Some Anders art I've been working on. Enjoy and let me know what you guys think. :lol:

Anders Wallpaper
Anders and Hawke - mild NSFW


But I'm AT WORK!! :crying:

I'm so tempted to click that. I mean, I'm the sysadmin. I'm like the IT god... who's going to tell on me? But I really shouldn't... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <_<

Modifié par shiba5, 18 avril 2011 - 11:58 .


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shiba5 wrote...

But I'm AT WORK!! :crying:

I'm so tempted to click that. I mean, I'm the sysadmin. I'm like the IT god... who's going to tell on me? But I really shouldn't... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <_<


Give iiiiin!

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mandamcmoo wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

But I'm AT WORK!! :crying:

I'm so tempted to click that. I mean, I'm the sysadmin. I'm like the IT god... who's going to tell on me? But I really shouldn't... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <_<


Give iiiiin!


I totally would click-that-****, but there are like 4 people standing in my cube right now jabbering. GET OUT!

#26816
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shiba5 wrote...

mandamcmoo wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

But I'm AT WORK!! :crying:

I'm so tempted to click that. I mean, I'm the sysadmin. I'm like the IT god... who's going to tell on me? But I really shouldn't... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <_<


Give iiiiin!


I totally would click-that-****, but there are like 4 people standing in my cube right now jabbering. GET OUT!


It's not bad just very mild nudity, no side boob or anything. :P

#26817
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meonlyred wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

mandamcmoo wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

But I'm AT WORK!! :crying:

I'm so tempted to click that. I mean, I'm the sysadmin. I'm like the IT god... who's going to tell on me? But I really shouldn't... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <_<


Give iiiiin!


I totally would click-that-****, but there are like 4 people standing in my cube right now jabbering. GET OUT!


It's not bad just very mild nudity, no side boob or anything. :P


Good heavens, no side boob! ^_^

edit:  haha I just clicked on it and I need a Deviant Art account to see it. Guess I'll have to wait until I get home after all.

Modifié par shiba5, 18 avril 2011 - 12:27 .


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Morning fellow Anderstians.

Please enjoy some sappy, romantic, post DAII short-fic with your morning tea.

Rainswept Regrets (M/M)

Sigh. That was the start of something far less romantic, but Anders just makes my romance bones ache.

Modifié par Mistress Tasharra, 18 avril 2011 - 12:39 .


#26819
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Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Morning fellow Anderstians.

Please enjoy some sappy, romantic, post DAII short-fic with your morning tea.

Rainswept Regrets (M/M)

Sigh. That was the start of something far less romantic, but Anders just makes my romance bones ache.


Oooh I remember reading your first Anders/Hawke fic, the second one was just as awesome. Loved the imagery you painted with the two huddled in a cave while it storms.

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Totally offtopic, but I thought you guys would appreciate this week's MGDMT.

Lovely pictures too, Meonlyred! Everyone needs some Anders cuddle time now and then.

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Threeparts wrote...

Totally offtopic, but I thought you guys would appreciate this week's MGDMT.

Lovely pictures too, Meonlyred! Everyone needs some Anders cuddle time now and then.


Hipster Arishok! Fantastic!

Modifié par mandamcmoo, 18 avril 2011 - 01:22 .


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Camilladilla wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Morning fellow Anderstians.

Please enjoy some sappy, romantic, post DAII short-fic with your morning tea.

Rainswept Regrets (M/M)

Sigh. That was the start of something far less romantic, but Anders just makes my romance bones ache.


Oooh I remember reading your first Anders/Hawke fic, the second one was just as awesome. Loved the imagery you painted with the two huddled in a cave while it storms.


<3 Thanks, I try. :3

Threeparts wrote...

Totally offtopic, but I thought you guys would appreciate this week's MGDMT.

Lovely pictures too, Meonlyred! Everyone needs some Anders cuddle time now and then.


Haha, epic.

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Hipster Arishok makes this relevant:

Image IPB
*back to lurking whilst drawing shirtless Anders*

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YamiSnuffles wrote...

*back to lurking whilst drawing shirtless Anders*


*cracks whip*

:P<3

Modifié par mandamcmoo, 18 avril 2011 - 01:42 .


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YamiSnuffles wrote...

Hipster Arishok makes this relevant:

Image IPB
*back to lurking whilst drawing shirtless Anders*


I love this so much. Still. Always.

And Hipster Arishok is giving me the giggles almost ten minutes later.