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[Sherbet Lemon]

I think it also might give a mage player more of an incentive to play Spirit Healer also. If I had to guess the most popular combinations for DA:O were, Blood Mage/Arcane Warrior, maybe? If Hawke is also a Spirit Healer, you get a little more flexibility?

Of course that doesn't account for Rogue or Warrior Hawkes.

EDIT: Aaand I would get top of the page (I generally try to void it).  D:  I am so sorry...I don't know how to put in pictures...

Modifié par Village Idiot, 18 avril 2011 - 03:17 .

[SurelyForth]

In DAO I stuck with the same party throughout any given playthough, based on my Warden's class and LI. Playing ME/ME2, where you only get two companions in your shore party, I learned to rotate the non-Garrus companions through the 3rd slot characters throughout the game. It actually helped me a lot when I started playing DA2, because I'd learned how to adjust to different party builds on the fly AND how to roleplay my choices beyond "this one heals, this one can open ****, this one is awwwwwwesome".

In DA2, Anders is my party mainstay, except for Merrill's Act 3 quest. He gets benched for Team Concerned But Not Going to Make Merrill Feel Like **** (ie. Aveline and Isabela). Beyond that, I almost never do quests with the same party. I definitely have a preferred "running around Kirkwall" team, depending on which Act it is, but I think I get so much more out of the characters by changing them out on a regular basis, which might be why I'm more attached to DA2 companions than DAO companions.

Aimo art! Sketchy stuff, but  for the Mages and their Warriors sketch:

Modifié par SurelyForth, 18 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[upsettingshorts]

I'd go so far as to say Aveline represents the moral compass of the party. She doesn't so much represent law & order as she is the closest - in terms of player companions - representation of "good." She'll bend a rule if that means doing the right thing. Sebastian's role as DLC and the fact he's got the same weapon - more or less - as Varric and can't even decide for himself what his motivation and goal in life is until a certain explosion undermines his presence too.

Anders is always on one message, and he's consistent with that message. He's passionate and devoted and singleminded.

I think my "Gah, too much Anders" comes mostly from Nightmare playthroughs though. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 avril 2011 - 03:20 .

[Threeparts]

I actually felt kind of disappointed when I could see a quest was going to make me take Varric or Anders out of the party. They were my BFFs and are in my party pretty much permanently, but there were times when I wanted to deal with the elves or the Chantry, or the templars, and would feel it better to swap them out for more politically favourable companions.

Do... do other people do that? Switch out companions not just because they have better lines, but because going to a meeting with Meredith with an apostate, the captain of the guard, and Elthina's right-hand man makes Hawke look more reasonable?

Modifié par Threeparts, 18 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[upsettingshorts]

Sure, on the right difficulty levels. Or if I don't expect combat.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[YamiSnuffles]

I would guess part of the decision also came from the fact that your companions are more concrete in this game. Just as they have their own homes, lives, etc. they also have fairly concrete roles in combat. Gone are the days of making Alistair a DW warrior and such. Varric has to be an archer, Anders can't be made a blood mage like he could in Awakening, and so on. It sort of further defines their characters to be more specialized in this way.

[upsettingshorts]

Indeed, the issue is simply that the game is less forgiving going without a healer than it is say, using a 2H as a tank.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[ekurian]

Threeparts wrote...

I actually felt kind of disappointed when I could see a quest was going to make me take Varric or Anders out of the party. They were my BFFs and are in my party pretty much permanently, but there were times when I wanted to deal with the elves or the Chantry, or the templars, and would feel it better to swap them out for more politically favourable companions.

Do... do other people do that? Switch out companions not just because they have better lines, but because going to a meeting with Meredith with an apostate, the captain of the guard, and Elthina's right-hand man makes Hawke look more reasonable?

I almost always have Anders with me; but I just love having him around when I go to talk to Templars. I love dangling him in their faces, going 'YOU CAN'T TOUCH HIM BECAUSE I'M THE CHAMPION NYAHAA~'

I also swap party members out depending on what I'm doing. If I'm dealing with elves, I take Merrill. Pirates? Isabela. Slavers? Fenris. Templars/Chantry? Seb and Anders. And if I forsee bribery/persuation may be needed, I totally bring Varric. That man could talk a nun out of her knickers.

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

Do... do other people do that? Switch out companions not just because they have better lines, but because going to a meeting with Meredith with an apostate, the captain of the guard, and Elthina's right-hand man makes Hawke look more reasonable?

I bring specific people along for specific missions. Although, I always bring Anders along when Templars are involved just to be obnoxious. Okay, and maybe my canon Hawke always has Anders no matter what. But I do switch out other companions based on the mission just for appearances.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed, the issue is simply that
the game is less forgiving going without a healer than it is say, using a
2H as a tank.

Yeah, I get that, which is why I understand why it annoys people. It doesn't help that the only healer (other than possibly Hawke) is a person that really rubs a lot of players the wrong way.

[SurelyForth]

Threeparts wrote...

I actually felt kind of disappointed when I could see a quest was going to make me take Varric or Anders out of the party. They were my BFFs and are in my party pretty much permanently, but there were times when I wanted to deal with the elves or the Chantry, or the templars, and would feel it better to swap them out for more politically favourable companions.

Do... do other people do that? Switch out companions not just because they have better lines, but because going to a meeting with Meredith with an apostate, the captain of the guard, and Elthina's right-hand man makes Hawke look more reasonable?

Yeah, I definitely think about who to bring where based on how it will be "perceived" by NPCs. I hate that Act 3 starts and your team against the Arishok is hanging around, because I don't like having Anders there when Hawke is smacking down Meredith (although it does work from the perspective of him seeing firsthand how unwilling Elthina is to do anything).

[Threeparts]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed, the issue is simply that
the game is less forgiving going without a healer than it is say, using a
2H as a tank.

Yeah, I get that, which is why I understand why it annoys people. It doesn't help that the only healer (other than possibly Hawke) is a person that really rubs a lot of players the wrong way.

I do wonder how much they were relying on players' goodwill from Awakening to shape their opinion on Anders for the first couple of Acts. An amusing but shallow guy that was popular with women, so obviously it wouldn't be too bad having him along.

And then you get his banter and it's just...



I love the man, but it's sad when I'm on Varric and Izzy's side during their Act III banter with him.

[Poetics124]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Lasien wrote...

Question:

If you kill justice or don't accept him into your group in DA:O~A, how does DA2 work around that, if anders never even met him?

Hmm...this is a good question. My guess is that it's not covered at all. Doesn't Justice always get sent into Kristoff's body, even if you side with the Baroness in the Fade? I know I've done that once, but I cannot recall if he shows up then.

If you don't recruit them, he's still kicking around the Blackmarsh, so it's kinda feasible that he and Anders could meet independently of the Wardens. However, considering BW doesn't cover the other angle, which is Anders not being recruited or being given back to the templars before he meets Justice, I doubt they've even bothered to come up with such a scenario, let alone account for it in DA2.

I thought I saw somewhere that Gaider said he would have met another spirit of justice.  I could be making that up.

That's very interesting.  It ties into Flemeth wondering if some thing are fate or choice.  Was Anders, in Flemeth's view, fated to blow up the chantry.  And did she know getting Hawke to Kirkwall was important to that end?  She does the same things with the wardens in DOA.  

I have a feeling Flemeth is playing on a chessboard nobody even knows about.   Suprisingly enough, I think Sandal is too.

[upsettingshorts]

Poetics124 wrote...

I have a feeling Flemeth is playing on a chessboard nobody even knows about.   Suprisingly enough, I think Sandal is too.

Sandal is playing 52 Pickup.

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

I do wonder how much they were relying on players' goodwill from Awakening to shape their opinion on Anders for the first couple of Acts. An amusing but shallow guy that was popular with women, so obviously it wouldn't be too bad having him along.

And then you get his banter and it's just...
*snip mages, mages, mages, JUSTICE, JUSTICE*

I love the man, but it's sad when I'm on Varric and Izzy's side during their Act III banter with him.

I think it would have been nice if his party banter was generally more light hearted in Act 1. He does joke a lot more earlier in the game than he does later, but it doesn't change the fact that most of his banter is still about mages. So, have a slightly more gradual transition from Awakening Anders to DA2 Anders. Then maybe more people would have warmed up to him enough earlier in the game to feel a bit more sympathetic in the game.

I dunno. I'm the wrong person to even try to discuss this because I loved it every time he talked about mages. I think there is something wrong with my head, honestly.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I found a lot of his Act 1 humor is hard to pick up on because he doesn't deliver snark like Ellis. It's definitely there, though, and in abundance.

[ashyraine]

nekhbet wrote...

 

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I can't believe this combo wasn't posted yet.

Scissor Sisters!! <3 I can't believe it wasn't posted yet either. I can totally see both my warrior girls doing the sweeping off the feet

edit: oh hai. I'm pretty sure I've only lurked before this. This thread and Meredanders totally make my work day better.

Modifié par ashyraine, 18 avril 2011 - 03:49 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I found a lot of his Act 1 humor is hard to pick up on because he doesn't deliver snark like Ellis. It's definitely there, though, and in abundance.

Yeah, there's a lot of humor, but it depends on who you have in the party with you and what quests you bring him on. I know watching my husband's largely Anders free playthroughs, it was hard to catch. For good reason he's not very jokey on any of his personal quests. Then, if you only happen to have him around with, say, Fenris and Merrill, its a b**** fest. Even with the generally comedic people like Varric and Izzy, he has dialogue that's still just all about mages. If you happen to get him asking Izzy about mages the first time you bring him along, instead of, say, reminiscing about the Pearl, you might just decide he's no fun.

So, again, if you don't have him around at the right times, it's really easy to miss the fact that Anders makes a lot of jokes. Really, he makes jokes all the way through Act 3 if you have him around at the right times.

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I found a lot of his Act 1 humor is hard to pick up on because he doesn't deliver snark like Ellis. It's definitely there, though, and in abundance.

Yeah, there's a lot of humor, but it depends on who you have in the party with you and what quests you bring him on. I know watching my husband's largely Anders free playthroughs, it was hard to catch. For good reason he's not very jokey on any of his personal quests. Then, if you only happen to have him around with, say, Fenris and Merrill, its a b**** fest. Even with the generally comedic people like Varric and Izzy, he has dialogue that's still just all about mages. If you happen to get him asking Izzy about mages the first time you bring him along, instead of, say, reminiscing about the Pearl, you might just decide he's no fun.

So, again, if you don't have him around at the right times, it's really easy to miss the fact that Anders makes a lot of jokes. Really, he makes jokes all the way through Act 3 if you have him around at the right times.

The fact that he's quite funny most of the time makes it so sad when he stops being.

I remember when Varric tried to get him to talk about a Templar joke, or a rehasing of their "dipped in gold" convo, and he just shuts him down. Worst. Feeling. Ever.

[AnniLau]

I have no hope of ever catching up, so here's something only vaguely related:



Also, bippity boppity Justice?

[SurelyForth]

AnniLau wrote...


Also, bippity boppity Justice?

by Tarantella: 

[YamiSnuffles]

Kawamura wrote...

The fact that he's quite funny most of the time makes it so sad when he stops being.

I remember when Varric tried to get him to talk about a Templar joke, or a rehasing of their "dipped in gold" convo, and he just shuts him down. Worst. Feeling. Ever.

Oh man, the way Anders says, "Stop" at the end of that banter breaks my heart. It just... it makes me want to cry.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 18 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

The fact that he's quite funny most of the time makes it so sad when he stops being.

I remember when Varric tried to get him to talk about a Templar joke, or a rehasing of their "dipped in gold" convo, and he just shuts him down. Worst. Feeling. Ever.

Oh man, the way Anders says, "Stop" at the end of that banter breaks my heart. It just... it makes me want to cry.

Me, too. I had to play Act III pretty quickly because this ugly feeling just followed me when I thought about it.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

That plus Anders' SERIOUS BUSINESS outfit if you help him... yeah. Bad vibes everywhere.

[MG800]

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...


Also, bippity boppity Justice?

by Tarantella: 

Wha  I dont even....  
The hell...
Is that... Andrella?

[tmp7704]

Miri1984 wrote...

I don't get this "you're not the hero" business. You're so totally the hero. As far as there is any hero. I mean, the story wouldn't HAPPEN without you. It would be two short acts of brutality then QUNARI TAKE OVER KIRKWALL.

Indeed, for all the talk and make-believe there's things happening without Hawke taking part in them, it sure seems no one in the whole damn city can as much as tie their shoelaces without asking for his/her help if not outright doing it for them. Even the supposed companions have their own lives nao suffers from this greatly.