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I was just looking up his banter, and noticed this one:

Aveline: Just to be clear Anders: when this is over, you will turn yourself in for your crime.
Anders: I'm well aware of your commitment to oppression.
Aveline: The laws of the land. Fairly applied to everyone.
Anders: That...is actually something I'd very much like to see.

Apparently it occurs during The Last Straw, but I've never had Aveline in my party for that. Anyone else heard it or have a clip? Wondering what tone of voice Anders is using there.

Oh ****, uhm...


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I had that play during my finale, triggered right before running into Carver iirc. Tone-wise Anders was just being his usual ****y "maages, woe" self.

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Threeparts wrote...

I actually felt kind of disappointed when I could see a quest was going to make me take Varric or Anders out of the party. They were my BFFs and are in my party pretty much permanently, but there were times when I wanted to deal with the elves or the Chantry, or the templars, and would feel it better to swap them out for more politically favourable companions.

Do... do other people do that? Switch out companions not just because they have better lines, but because going to a meeting with Meredith with an apostate, the captain of the guard, and Elthina's right-hand man makes Hawke look more reasonable?


I brought both Merrill and Fenris to meet Zevran.  "See?  Here's a happy, well-adjusted elf!"  "Pfft!  An assassin?  So?  Elves in glass houses...."

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Unrelated. Unrelated. Unrelated.

^_^ Just popping in to share some Anders fanart:

http://capriciouscap...verrr-205387809

Not sure why link isn't working D: *noob*

*fades back into the darkness to resume lurking* <.<

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Threeparts wrote...

I was just looking up his banter, and noticed this one:

Aveline: Just to be clear Anders: when this is over, you will turn yourself in for your crime.
Anders: I'm well aware of your commitment to oppression.
Aveline: The laws of the land. Fairly applied to everyone.
Anders: That...is actually something I'd very much like to see.

Apparently it occurs during The Last Straw, but I've never had Aveline in my party for that. Anyone else heard it or have a clip? Wondering what tone of voice Anders is using there.

Oh ****, uhm...


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I got.  Anders is grumpy in the first line.  Then... sorta awestruck in the last, as if it never occured to him that Aveline wants the same thing he does.

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MG800 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

AnniLau wrote...


Also, bippity boppity Justice?


by Tarantella: 
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Wha :blink: I dont even....  
The hell...
Is that... Andrella?


It's...awesome! :wub:

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Pseudocognition wrote...

That plus Anders' SERIOUS BUSINESS outfit if you help him... yeah. Bad vibes everywhere.


And the whole "hey, why is it suddenly always sunset around here?"

Modifié par Kawamura, 18 avril 2011 - 04:12 .


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Threeparts wrote...

I was just looking up his banter, and noticed this one:

Aveline: Just to be clear Anders: when this is over, you will turn yourself in for your crime.
Anders: I'm well aware of your commitment to oppression.
Aveline: The laws of the land. Fairly applied to everyone.
Anders: That...is actually something I'd very much like to see.

Apparently it occurs during The Last Straw, but I've never had Aveline in my party for that. Anyone else heard it or have a clip? Wondering what tone of voice Anders is using there.


I got that one on my latest replay. Anders sounds very grumpy for his first line (as he almost always does when talking to Aveline). The last line, he sounds... I can't quite think of the right word. He sounds very genuine? Like, he's not snarking about it. Hmm, let me see if I can find it on youtube.

EDIT: OK, I give up trying to find it on youtube. When I look for Anders and Aveline dialogue, all I get are parts 1 through infinity of "Anders the terrorist."

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 18 avril 2011 - 04:14 .


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I've wanted to get his "This... isn't what I expected." line.

Does he say that before you run into Carver or after?

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Kawamura wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

That plus Anders' SERIOUS BUSINESS outfit if you help him... yeah. Bad vibes everywhere.


And the whole "hey, why is it suddenly always sunset around here?"


Oh yeah some of the lighting in Act 3 is delicious, especially the early morning-ish light when you break up Orsino and Meredith's litttle argument.

Sometimes the sunlight seems a little white or weird in other areas so when I got to that scene I was like WHAT WHOA OMG.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 18 avril 2011 - 04:19 .


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Sialater wrote...

I got.  Anders is grumpy in the first line. 

That's a highly irritating moment for me actually. For a guy who just avoided the murderknife and was very grateful for it, he sure gets over what he did and how it was supposedly oh-so-hard decision for him fast.

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YamiSnuffles wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I do wonder how much they were relying on players' goodwill from Awakening to shape their opinion on Anders for the first couple of Acts. An amusing but shallow guy that was popular with women, so obviously it wouldn't be too bad having him along.

And then you get his banter and it's just...
*snip mages, mages, mages, JUSTICE, JUSTICE*


I think it would have been nice if his party banter was generally more light hearted in Act 1. He does joke a lot more earlier in the game than he does later, but it doesn't change the fact that most of his banter is still about mages. So, have a slightly more gradual transition from Awakening Anders to DA2 Anders. Then maybe more people would have warmed up to him enough earlier in the game to feel a bit more sympathetic in the game.


I completely agree with this.  It was perfectly understandable for the character to become so single-minded about the mage/templar issue over the course of the game, but it would have been easier to feel the tragedy and sympathize with him if we'd seen more of his pre-obsession self in DA2.

The difference in personality between Awakening combined with the change in voice actor and appearance made it really difficult for me to transfer my fondness for Awakening Anders to DA2 Anders on my first playthrough.  After everything played out and I thought it all through, I ultimately decided that the character was great, he finally felt real and I finally felt sympathy (I should probably be ashamed to say) when the debris started flying and I found myself facing the choice of whether to kill him or not.  But... it would have been nice to feel that sympathy as I watched him go downhill too, not just when he hit the bottom.  I saw the development of his character over the course of DA2 much more clearly on the second playthrough, but on the first... that massive shift in personality was so jarring that he just felt like a different person that the game kept insisting was Anders, but didn't convinced me was Anders until the end.

I think he should have been more like his old self for at least the first bit of Act 1.  If he had already merged with Justice but not yet corrupted him when you first met them, it would have felt more smooth and convincing.  If the quest with Karl happened later in Act 1 and twisted Justice after you'd already gotten to know Anders' character a bit the whole thing would have felt a lot more tragic and easier to swallow.  It also wouldn't have been so odd that someone who is possessed would confide in you about it.  Having already travelled with you a bit he would have reason to trust you (either your kindness or your pragmatism), and not fear that you might be more inclined to murder him and take his maps than invite him along for the party.

Edit: For some reason the forum introduced a bunch of line breaks that could not be tolerated.  :mellow:

Modifié par Infaela, 18 avril 2011 - 04:21 .


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tmp7704 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I got.  Anders is grumpy in the first line. 

That's a highly irritating moment for me actually. For a guy who just avoided the murderknife and was very grateful for it, he sure gets over what he did and how it was supposedly oh-so-hard decision for him fast.


I don't know if it's quite like that. 

But, I see your point. 

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Batteries wrote...

Does he say that before you run into Carver or after?

Before. It's actually easy to miss this exchange because it triggers in the narrow area between start of the zone and the market stalls, and Carver shows up when you hit the lower level of the stalls. If you're running rather than walking, it can get cut off.

Regarding the last line delivery, it didn't really struck me as Anders coming to any realization, but rather more of the "everyone treated fairly... hey, remember the opressed mages, you ****?"

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 Well speaking of hints in Awakenings as to Ander's disposition - I was playing through and doing an equipment check when I happened to read his boots that he comes with and I kinda did a double-take:

And come the reckoning, when crimes will be righted and legacy restored, not during our lives, or those of our kin, but next ages, when magic will rise! - Fringe texts of the Circle, 4:60 Black.

I found that.. well, interesting.  That and all of Justice going on about how keeping a cat is imprisoning a helpless being and so on.  Anders if very light-hearted in Awakenings at the start but I have to think seeing all of what he does may have changed him or made him at least susceptible to Justice seeing injustice and seeking vengeance everywhere.  And he's all about an eye-for-an-eye on every issue really.  

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Pseudocognition wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

That plus Anders' SERIOUS BUSINESS outfit if you help him... yeah. Bad vibes everywhere.


And the whole "hey, why is it suddenly always sunset around here?"


Oh yeah some of the lighting in Act 3 is delicious, especially the early morning-ish light when you break up Orsino and Meredith's litttle argument.

Sometimes the sunlight seems a little white or otherwise artificial in other areas so when I got to that scene I was like WHAT WHOA OMG.


I liked the view in HT in Act III.

I just stood there, Varric, Anders and Aveline in my party and went ****.

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Asdara wrote...

 Well speaking of hints in Awakenings as to Ander's disposition - I was playing through and doing an equipment check when I happened to read his boots that he comes with and I kinda did a double-take:

And come the reckoning, when crimes will be righted and legacy restored, not during our lives, or those of our kin, but next ages, when magic will rise! - Fringe texts of the Circle, 4:60 Black.


...

****.

GAIIIIIDEEEEER!

#26893
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Kawamura wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

That plus Anders' SERIOUS BUSINESS outfit if you help him... yeah. Bad vibes everywhere.


And the whole "hey, why is it suddenly always sunset around here?"


Oh yeah some of the lighting in Act 3 is delicious, especially the early morning-ish light when you break up Orsino and Meredith's litttle argument.

Sometimes the sunlight seems a little white or otherwise artificial in other areas so when I got to that scene I was like WHAT WHOA OMG.


I liked the view in HT in Act III.

I just stood there, Varric, Anders and Aveline in my party and went ****.


I feel lame for taking 3 playthroughs to notice the lighting change. Standing there with a full party felt odd.

And then Anders came out with a "DO YOU REALLY NEED ME HERE FOR THIS?"

He hurt my feelings.

Modifié par Batteries, 18 avril 2011 - 04:24 .


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Threeparts wrote...

I was just looking up his banter, and noticed this one:

Aveline: Just to be clear Anders: when this is over, you will turn yourself in for your crime.
Anders: I'm well aware of your commitment to oppression.
Aveline: The laws of the land. Fairly applied to everyone.
Anders: That...is actually something I'd very much like to see.

Apparently it occurs during The Last Straw, but I've never had Aveline in my party for that. Anyone else heard it or have a clip? Wondering what tone of voice Anders is using there.



I have heard it. He's resigned to his fate and all for it.

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Batteries wrote...


I feel lame for taking 3 playthroughts to notice the lighting change. Standing there with a full party felt odd.

And then Anders came out with a "DO YOU REALLY NEED ME HERE FOR THIS?"

He hurt my feelings.


"Yes, Anders, I do. I'm trying to enjoy the dramatic lighting, and I know you're about to do something awful, so just stand there and shut up."

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Asdara wrote...

 Well speaking of hints in Awakenings as to Ander's disposition - I was playing through and doing an equipment check when I happened to read his boots that he comes with and I kinda did a double-take:

And come the reckoning, when crimes will be righted and legacy restored, not during our lives, or those of our kin, but next ages, when magic will rise! - Fringe texts of the Circle, 4:60 Black.

I found that.. well, interesting.  That and all of Justice going on about how keeping a cat is imprisoning a helpless being and so on.  Anders if very light-hearted in Awakenings at the start but I have to think seeing all of what he does may have changed him or made him at least susceptible to Justice seeing injustice and seeking vengeance everywhere.  And he's all about an eye-for-an-eye on every issue really.  


No way. No way.

Well that's only further proof that it was the plan all along ™

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Kawamura wrote...

Asdara wrote...

 Well speaking of hints in Awakenings as to Ander's disposition - I was playing through and doing an equipment check when I happened to read his boots that he comes with and I kinda did a double-take:

And come the reckoning, when crimes will be righted and legacy restored, not during our lives, or those of our kin, but next ages, when magic will rise! - Fringe texts of the Circle, 4:60 Black.


...

****.

GAIIIIIDEEEEER!


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Kawamura wrote...

Asdara wrote...

 Well speaking of hints in Awakenings as to Ander's disposition - I was playing through and doing an equipment check when I happened to read his boots that he comes with and I kinda did a double-take:

And come the reckoning, when crimes will be righted and legacy restored, not during our lives, or those of our kin, but next ages, when magic will rise! - Fringe texts of the Circle, 4:60 Black.


...

****.

GAIIIIIDEEEEER!


/excellent Smithers

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Batteries wrote...

I feel lame for taking 3 playthroughs to notice the lighting change. Standing there with a full party felt odd.

And then Anders came out with a "DO YOU REALLY NEED ME HERE FOR THIS?"

He hurt my feelings.


Whenever I've gotten that line it's been in Act 1, so it came across as less "I have dark, mysterious, possibly explosive things to do" and more "Hawke, I have lots of patients to see to why are you taking me out shopping with you", which is hilarious because it's so true.

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Kawamura wrote...

Batteries wrote...


I feel lame for taking 3 playthroughts to notice the lighting change. Standing there with a full party felt odd.

And then Anders came out with a "DO YOU REALLY NEED ME HERE FOR THIS?"

He hurt my feelings.


"Yes, Anders, I do. I'm trying to enjoy the dramatic lighting, and I know you're about to do something awful, so just stand there and shut up."


He always says that when I enter the market district in Hightown. I always imagine him being like an annoyed husband following his wife around as she shops.

Hawke: "Here darling hold my purse while I try on this dress."
Anders: *groans*