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[mellifera]

Babies and weddings hurt my feelings.

:'(

[Jean]

Addai67 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
So it really doesn't matter what you do.  I can't see, even if you defend the mages, that any of them are going to survive anyway.

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"She/He defended the mages against a brutal injustice and many lived to tell the tale. The Circles rose up and set the world on fire."

Word of Varric.

So they survive one battle in order to fight a war.  Great.

Just how it works.

[GailRana]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Rivalry's not bad.
It's not like DISAPPROVAL in Origins.
Where your companions will be like, "YOU KNOW WHAT, ****, I DISAPPROVE." and stomp off to do god-knows-what.
Leaving you one party member short, because you have to make everyone happy, I guess.

I liked that the stomping off thing existed in the first one. Made it feel more... meaningful. I wish they could somehow combine Rival/Friend/Disapproval. Keep rivalmance but let there be a line or a path that's just too far.

[Ninche]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ninche wrote...

I just think in picking him you're agreeing to have an alternative relationship if you wish - no jewelly, no wedding, no children. Just desperate and passionate love making and fuzzy mind-blowing love ^^ It's so romantic that Hawke and Ander just DON'T need more than each other. It's lovely really. Running away with Anders destroying everything youve built for those 7 years just fits wonderfully with my prioritites. 

This.

Though damnit if my Hawke and Anders' daughter didn't pop into my head one day, and now I can't get rid of her.  

Well accidents happen 

But seriosuly, Anders wanting to get married or wanting to have children is just SUPER OOC to me. And I think when he says "we are fighting for a world in which our children..." he means children of mankind in general. And it's OKAY to stay with Anders and NOT have children - I don't see why it needs to spoil or undermine the love between Hawke and Anders. And about marriage - what is marriage in Thedas exactly? I doubt if you get married you and your husband are jointly eligable for a loan from the merchants guilt or pay a join coin taxt to the carta camping outside your door? It just seems like a religious formality to me. Therefore I don't see why Hawke or Anders would be so eager to go through with it - they don't need to. This is also why Sebastian just makes me so angry, not just a religious marriage but a CHASTE one too?? Hmm let me see - the painfully sexy tortured mage who will make passionate love to me every night as we change the world together or praying in church every day with my husband whom i will never EVER touch. REALLY Sebastian?

[thebrute7]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Clay Anders to add to the zomg mania.



by http://bboria.deviantart.com/
(who also did one of Fenris and Hawke)

That's all I have to say... except this:

[Purposeof-Flight]

GailRana wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Rivalry's not bad.
It's not like DISAPPROVAL in Origins.
Where your companions will be like, "YOU KNOW WHAT, ****, I DISAPPROVE." and stomp off to do god-knows-what.
Leaving you one party member short, because you have to make everyone happy, I guess.

I liked that the stomping off thing existed in the first one. Made it feel more... meaningful. I wish they could somehow combine Rival/Friend/Disapproval. Keep rivalmance but let there be a line or a path that's just too far.

Like taking on a slave when Fenris is in the party?
REALLY i think that would've been the line for him.

[shiba5]

yukidama wrote...

Babies and weddings hurt my feelings.

:'(

Even drunk pirate weddings with no pants?

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

The other option would be to have Merrill marry them. A very ****-the-Maker alternative to the Chantry, and she's got all the training as a Keeper, so she could probably officiate. 

I would expect everyone to have crowns of flowers or something, then. Oh, and they'd all have to be barefoot and perhaps frolic a bit... just not in the forest because the trees would get jealous.

[Kawamura]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

shiba5 wrote...

Now you've gone and ruined it.  <_<
+50 rivalry

Do you, uh, want a sandwich?

Rivalry's not bad.
It's not like DISAPPROVAL in Origins.
Where your companions will be like, "YOU KNOW WHAT, ****, I DISAPPROVE." and stomp off to do god-knows-what.
Leaving you one party member short, because you have to make everyone happy, I guess.


And btw, Kawamura.
You just ****ed up our group hug.
You get +50 Rivalry from me as well. <_<

I don't like being touched. D<

[Poetics124]

ekurian wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

My F!Hawke would marry Anders... she's such a romantic. Of course it might be hard to get someone to perform a marriage ceremony for the two most wanted mages in all Thedas

This is why we decided (a million pages ago) that if Hawke and Anders wanted to get married, it would have to be a crazy drunken pirate wedding. Isabela would officiate. A la, Pirates of the Carribbean: www.youtube.com/watch

Since my canon Hawke sailed off into the sunset with Anders aboard Isabela's ship, this is now totally canon in my head.

CRAZY PIRATE WEDDING.

Agreed.  Crazy Drunken Pirate Wedding with Isabella giving dirty asides FTW!

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
So it really doesn't matter what you do. I can't see, even if you defend the mages, that any of them are going to survive anyway.

.

"She/He defended the mages against a brutal injustice and many lived to tell the tale. The Circles rose up and set the world on fire."

Word of Varric.

So they survive one battle in order to fight a war. Great.

Why wouldn't they want to at that point? Now that they know how expendeble they are in the eyes of the Chantry and that the templars aren't infallible enemies...what do they have to lose?

At the very least, it sounds like they get the hell out of Kirkwall. That's a win for them right there.

[Addai]

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
So it really doesn't matter what you do.  I can't see, even if you defend the mages, that any of them are going to survive anyway.

.

"She/He defended the mages against a brutal injustice and many lived to tell the tale. The Circles rose up and set the world on fire."

Word of Varric.

So they survive one battle in order to fight a war.  Great.

Just how it works.

Right, so it doesn't matter what you do.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ninche wrote...
This is also why Sebastian just makes me so angry, not just a religious marriage but a CHASTE one too?? Hmm let me see - the painfully sexy tortured mage who will make passionate love to me every night as we change the world together or praying in church every day with my husband whom i will never EVER touch. REALLY Sebastian?

It's better on the rivalry path.  That's what I keep telling everyone about Seb.  Instead of the "chaste" marriage thing, you get him talking about how you'll be Viscountess of Kirkwall and Prince of Starkhaven, and he'll offer you no less than what a prince can.  

[upsettingshorts]

Addai67 wrote...

Right, so it doesn't matter what you do.

If only there were epilogue cards after DA2 to inform people who lack the imagination or the critical thinking skills to detail precisely which choices mattered and what might possibly happen in the future as a result. This needs to be dumbed back down to DAO levels in DA3.

Okay, that was probably a little too mean spirited. I blame my headache.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[thebrute7]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

The other option would be to have Merrill marry them. A very ****-the-Maker alternative to the Chantry, and she's got all the training as a Keeper, so she could probably officiate. 

I would expect everyone to have crowns of flowers or something, then. Oh, and they'd all have to be barefoot and perhaps frolic a bit... just not in the forest because the trees would get jealous.

+25 friendship

You win.

[shiba5]

Ninche wrote...

Well accidents happen 

But seriosuly, Anders wanting to get married or wanting to have children is just SUPER OOC to me. And I think when he says "we are fighting for a world in which our children..." he means children of mankind in general. And it's OKAY to stay with Anders and NOT have children - I don't see why it needs to spoil or undermine the love between Hawke and Anders. And about marriage - what is marriage in Thedas exactly? I doubt if you get married you and your husband are jointly eligable for a loan from the merchants guilt or pay a join coin taxt to the carta camping outside your door? It just seems like a religious formality to me. Therefore I don't see why Hawke or Anders would be so eager to go through with it - they don't need to. This is also why Sebastian just makes me so angry, not just a religious marriage but a CHASTE one too?? Hmm let me see - the painfully sexy tortured mage who will make passionate love to me every night as we change the world together or praying in church every day with my husband whom i will never EVER touch. REALLY Sebastian?

My Hawke is not having weird Justice/abomination babies with Anders. Scary thoughts.

[GailRana]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Rivalry's not bad.
It's not like DISAPPROVAL in Origins.
Where your companions will be like, "YOU KNOW WHAT, ****, I DISAPPROVE." and stomp off to do god-knows-what.
Leaving you one party member short, because you have to make everyone happy, I guess.

I liked that the stomping off thing existed in the first one. Made it feel more... meaningful. I wish they could somehow combine Rival/Friend/Disapproval. Keep rivalmance but let there be a line or a path that's just too far.

Like taking on a slave when Fenris is in the party?
REALLY i think that would've been the line for him.

yep. <_<

there just comes some actions that hawk can do that i would loose all respect for the LI if they chose to stay with Hawk afterwards. Like siding with the templars and anders staying with you (if that does still exsist)

[Tasmen]

yukidama wrote...

Babies and weddings hurt my feelings.

:'(

As do pants...

[Maugrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Right, so it doesn't matter what you do.

If only there were epilogue cards after DA2 to inform people who lack the imagination or the critical thinking skills to detail precisely which choices mattered and what might possibly happen in the future as a result. This needs to be dumbed back down to DAO levels in DA3.

Okay, that was probably a little too mean spirited. I blame my headache.

Well in the end all we have is the heat death of the universe, so no none of the choices made matter.

[Poetics124]

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
So it really doesn't matter what you do.  I can't see, even if you defend the mages, that any of them are going to survive anyway.

.

"She/He defended the mages against a brutal injustice and many lived to tell the tale. The Circles rose up and set the world on fire."

Word of Varric.

So they survive one battle in order to fight a war.  Great.

Just how it works.

Pretty much.  I'm sure when people heard about slaves rising up against the Tevinter Imperium that it would make it worse for slaves and  that many of the slaves would get slaughtered.  But in the end it did work.

My thinking is the mages see this as a chance to be free and if it comes to war, then it comes to war.   In their minds, there are just some things worth dying for. 

Modifié par Poetics124, 19 avril 2011 - 07:48 .

[upsettingshorts]

Poetics124 wrote...

My thinking is the mages see this as a chance to be free and if it comes to war, then it comes to war.   In there mind, there are just some things worth dying for. 

That is Anders' argument as well.  The issue I have with it is the scale of his actions, as well as Hawke's should they support them - is it makes that decision, with their lives being the very stakes, for all other mages in Thedas for them, without their input.

Kirkwall itself is a powderkeg, it will explode one way or another - but the idea that the policies of the rest of Thedas should rest on the fate of this incredibly screwed up - in more ways than one - place, by a few crazy people within it, is a big problem.

Especially considering that the meeting at Cumberland Wynne mentioned in DA:A produced... no significant change in the status quo.  Literally the people who have been put in position by their peers to make decisions on behalf of the mages in Thedas didn't decide to go to war with the Chantry.  Not enough is made of this, I think.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 avril 2011 - 07:53 .

[Jean]

GailRana wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Rivalry's not bad.
It's not like DISAPPROVAL in Origins.
Where your companions will be like, "YOU KNOW WHAT, ****, I DISAPPROVE." and stomp off to do god-knows-what.
Leaving you one party member short, because you have to make everyone happy, I guess.

I liked that the stomping off thing existed in the first one. Made it feel more... meaningful. I wish they could somehow combine Rival/Friend/Disapproval. Keep rivalmance but let there be a line or a path that's just too far.

Like taking on a slave when Fenris is in the party?
REALLY i think that would've been the line for him.

yep. <_<

there just comes some actions that hawk can do that i would loose all respect for the LI if they chose to stay with Hawk afterwards. Like siding with the templars and anders staying with you (if that does still exsist)

Romanced Anders does leave a Hawke who makes the deal with that demon in Night Terrors quest.

[Ninche]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ninche wrote...
This is also why Sebastian just makes me so angry, not just a religious marriage but a CHASTE one too?? Hmm let me see - the painfully sexy tortured mage who will make passionate love to me every night as we change the world together or praying in church every day with my husband whom i will never EVER touch. REALLY Sebastian?

It's better on the rivalry path.  That's what I keep telling everyone about Seb.  Instead of the "chaste" marriage thing, you get him talking about how you'll be Viscountess of Kirkwall and Prince of Starkhaven, and he'll offer you no less than what a prince can.  

I honestly don't know how to make Sebastian NOT LIKE me. Hell it feels to me like I have ONE converstaion with him right before Leliana shows up and he just ends up giving me +25 friendship twice whatever I do. But to be honest I ignore him totally and have never tried to work on the relationship in any way. Wasting my time on anyone else except Anders is turning out to be impossibly straining. I need to thank Miri and her stories for making me see Fenris as someone I could LIKE at all in order to romance him before Anders in my current playthrough. Anyone else just doesn't do it for me. 

Also while we're talking about it: So what non companions can you sleep with?

[GailRana]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Well in the end all we have is the heat death of the universe, so no none of the choices made matter.

...and now i'm bummed out and seriously reevaluating the choices i've made in my life.

note to self: Play more video games. success is dumb with all the universe and death heat destroying it anyways.

[mellifera]

shiba5 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Babies and weddings hurt my feelings.

:'(

Even drunk pirate weddings with no pants?

Oh, all right. Only because there is rampant pantlessness and my Hawke is a bigger monogamy queen than Fenris and wouldn't jump overboard after encasing himself with Petrify.