Upsettingshorts wrote...
Hmm, the Wynne thing has screwed up my interpretation. Though not entirely. Anders is still a self-righteous hypocritical abomination of Vengeance, heh.
Modifié par GailRana, 19 avril 2011 - 09:19 .
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
GailRana wrote...
doesn't hold water because of Wynne. She hasn't gone al demony... yet
What was the nature of the spirit she became associated with? I forget. Like, what concept was it?
She doesn't know, but thinks it's Faith. Perhaps the level of corruption of the spirit depends on the host. Wynne strikes me as being emotionally balanced, if nothing else.
Modifié par RinjiRenee, 19 avril 2011 - 09:18 .
RinjiRenee wrote...
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
they were doing this deliberately.
justice persuaded anders to let him in. that's when he technically became a demon imo
aaaaaaand i stopped agreeing with you. And you know, i always assumed that it was Ander's idea to join up. has anything said otherwise?
No, actually, Justice approached him about it. And Nate was the one in Awakening who talked about Justice taking a living host.
IT'S ALL NATE'S FAAAAULT *goes after him with torches and pitchforks*
Anders more or less agreed because 1) He thought Justice needed a host to keep on living, and 2) He was pretty fed up with the world.
thebrute7 wrote...
RinjiRenee wrote...
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
they were doing this deliberately.
justice persuaded anders to let him in. that's when he technically became a demon imo
aaaaaaand i stopped agreeing with you. And you know, i always assumed that it was Ander's idea to join up. has anything said otherwise?
No, actually, Justice approached him about it. And Nate was the one in Awakening who talked about Justice taking a living host.
IT'S ALL NATE'S FAAAAULT *goes after him with torches and pitchforks*
Anders more or less agreed because 1) He thought Justice needed a host to keep on living, and 2) He was pretty fed up with the world.
You forgot 3) "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
I know it can be judged (and obviously will be judged in the same way in-world), but those judgments are inevitably based on conjecture. I'd even say the Iraq war judgments were premature in the same way making a judgment about Anders's actions are, but there are obviously strong motivations for making a judgment about something when it affects real people personally in a way that is significantly different from making a judgment about a video game character in a world which is dictated by writers' perogative and Rule of Cool more than logic.Upsettingshorts wrote...
ipdg, you missed the point I was making entirely.
The point is that a war can be judged before it starts. The Iraq War was posed as an example of a war that was easily and frequently judged before it started.
The reason the comparison works isn't because the two conflicts are similar, they aren't. The reason making that distinction is important is because the very discussion is about Anders' justification and his justification only. Discussions about the outcome are relevant to a broader, less focused discussion, but I'm not trying to have one of those. The example demonstrates that you don't need to have one at all in order to examine a cause for going to war on the case presented alone.
GailRana wrote...
oh, don't give up so quick. are we positive she's fully posessed or just has a more perminent connection to Faith?
ipgd wrote...
there are obviously strong motivations for making a judgment about something when it affects real people personally in a way that is significantly different from making a judgment about a video game character in a world which is dictated by writers' perogative and Rule of Cool more than logic.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 avril 2011 - 09:22 .
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
they were doing this deliberately.
justice persuaded anders to let him in. that's when he technically became a demon imo
aaaaaaand i stopped agreeing with you. And you know, i always assumed that it was Ander's idea to join up. has anything said otherwise?
thebrute7 wrote...
*snip*
You forgot 3) "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
GailRana wrote...
doesn't hold water because of Wynne. She hasn't gone al demony... yet
What was the nature of the spirit she became associated with? I forget. Like, what concept was it?
She doesn't know, but thinks it's Faith. Perhaps the level of corruption of the spirit depends on the host. Wynne strikes me as being emotionally balanced, if nothing else.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
GailRana wrote...
oh, don't give up so quick. are we positive she's fully posessed or just has a more perminent connection to Faith?
I'm not so much giving up as recognizing the relationship between Fade spirits and mortals is more nuanced and complicated than my argument - as of this moment - is prepared to accomodate.ipgd wrote...
there are obviously strong motivations for making a judgment about something when it affects real people personally in a way that is significantly different from making a judgment about a video game character in a world which is dictated by writers' perogative and Rule of Cool more than logic.
I'll limit myself to saying I accept the distinction you're drawing, and point out that I enjoy the kind of questions Anders' actions raise most by treating them as if they were equally serious. Hence being Mr. Serious regarding Anders, heh.
Modifié par thebrute7, 19 avril 2011 - 09:23 .
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
she, thankyou
My brain read that in Shale's voice
Village Idiot wrote...
thenyxie wrote...
Last night on my mostly purple(mixed with red) female mage PT, Fenris was in the party, didn't say a WORD, and the Arishok told me I was basa whatever and offered to duel me. No mention of gender. The only difference is, this is the first character that told him that she would not surrender the elves either.
So... IDK. He WILL challenge a female to dueling without mentioning their gender. I'm just not sure what the certain set of circumstances is.
This means you've managed to earn the Arishok's respect before that final confrontation. There are certains steps you must have done to do that like being honest with him about what you've done i.e. killing Aarvarad, not hiding the bodies and then telling him what happened. With the Arishok, it's all about being up front and honest.
When you earn this, the "Worthy Rival" Achievement/Trophy should unlock.
EDIT: Link to the wiki.
Yeah I'd say the average mage is at least more educated than the population at large.yukidama wrote...
And your average non-mage is somehow smarter? They're all people and they come from the same place.
thebrute7 wrote...
See, see. This is why I like you. I love people who operate like this.
+50 Friendship
Upsettingshorts wrote...
GailRana wrote...
oh, don't give up so quick. are we positive she's fully posessed or just has a more perminent connection to Faith?
I'm not so much giving up as recognizing the relationship between Fade spirits and mortals is more nuanced and complicated than my argument - as of this moment - is prepared to accomodate.
kromify wrote...
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
they were doing this deliberately.
justice persuaded anders to let him in. that's when he technically became a demon imo
aaaaaaand i stopped agreeing with you. And you know, i always assumed that it was Ander's idea to join up. has anything said otherwise?
well they certainly discussed it. no record of the conversation though. that was just my impression from somewhere, i may well be wrong.
but i don't believe anders would just ask a spirit to inhabit him. i imagine justice came up with the idea to merge with anders specifically. but that is just me imagining.
justice must have had a reason to want to do this, other than bioware made him. presumably because it's better than a rotting corpse or to gain access to anders' powers in the classic abomination way.
Guest_Queen-Of-Stuff_*
RinjiRenee wrote...
I think she has a better chance of not becoming a demon-possessed abomination, but being possessed by a spirit is no less dangerous than a demon. You can be a zealot for a good cause.
Modifié par Queen-Of-Stuff, 19 avril 2011 - 09:28 .
GailRana wrote...
oh, don't give up so quick. are we positive she's fully posessed or just has a more perminent connection to Faith?
Modifié par erilben, 19 avril 2011 - 09:26 .
GailRana wrote...
I want you to know that I was rooting for you, mate. Know that.
erilben wrote...
DG says spirits meld with their hosts (like with Wynne). They do not possess like a demon does. You can read that here along with other comments on what is a demon.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 avril 2011 - 09:27 .
kromify wrote...
GailRana wrote...
kromify wrote...
she, thankyou
My brain read that in Shale's voice
"Now, let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?"
Qunari like hardass. PMS Hawke even got the mercenary guy to fight with her agains the Tal Vashoth. Almost reason enough to play an aggressive character right there.thenyxie wrote...
Well, I unlocked that with my rogue PT--somehow, smartass that he was, but I would have sworn Fenris still had to ask him about the duel. Maybe not. But I'm amazed this character managed it, considering she veers between smartass and hardass and that's about it. She was honest though.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
thebrute7 wrote...
See, see. This is why I like you. I love people who operate like this.
+50 Friendship
Heh, and I was earning so much Rivalry for my (red fist tone icon here) comments in the "Polarizing reviews" thread yesterday.
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