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AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

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 Cognitive dissonace? Only in the rivalry path :wizard:

Ugh, the whole friendship/rivalry system makes this whole thing more frustrating. As if Anders's situation wasn't dubious enough already by itself, it's not like it needed even more variables.

I wouldn't have said it's necessarily confined to the rivalry path. Justice/Vengeance still takes over during Dissent and Anders has to fight for control. And everyone experiences cognitive dissonance to some degree, it's that little niggly voice in the back of your head that goes 'Are you sure? Sure you're sure? Really?'. It's more a case of the amount of it. Although I agree it is far worse on the rivalry path.


Yeah I know there must have been some, but I was thinking act 3 onwards specifically. Jennifer did say Anders's relationship with Justice completely changed in act 3 depending on if you had befriended him or rivaled him.

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Camilladilla wrote...

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Sorry if this is kicking a dead horse or worse a dead Anders but I finished another playthrough (I will put the game down one day I swear) I was wondering did Bioware plan on us killing Anders? I mean there is Varric's banter and Seb's MARDAR, but Aveline made a comment along the lines of "Out of all the mages Anders I thought you would go out a blaze." and Anders replies "The day is still young." Of course Aveline tries to explain it as a compliment, but still I can't shake the feeling him dying was to be part of the "Token ending" as I know if it was set in stone he dies, we wouldn't get the options we get, but still.

Sorry for rambling at you guys again like Merrill >_>


I've always got the feeling that Bioware would rather we kill Anders than let him live, just judging by something Heplar wrote a while back stating how she kinda liked the idea of Anders living with the consequences he's created, meaning she initially saw it best for him to be dead. Not like in the end it really matters, but on a non-import game in DA3 you know his status would be flagged as "dead".


For that reason I hope we can import again, and a little better on the import too, as I would hate for some of my choices not to matter again...like running away with Anders.

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Oh wow. top o' the page was the 30kth post! Wish it would have been something more interesting, and not something that has already been said hundreds of times XD

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Amondra wrote...

Sorry if this is kicking a dead horse or worse a dead Anders but I finished another playthrough (I will put the game down one day I swear) I was wondering did Bioware plan on us killing Anders? I mean there is Varric's banter and Seb's MARDAR, but Aveline made a comment along the lines of "Out of all the mages Anders I thought you would go out a blaze." and Anders replies "The day is still young." Of course Aveline tries to explain it as a compliment, but still I can't shake the feeling him dying was to be part of the "Token ending" as I know if it was set in stone he dies, we wouldn't get the options we get, but still.

Sorry for rambling at you guys again like Merrill >_>


The one that gets me is one of Varric banters.  He askes Anders if the feathered pauldrons are important to the rebel mage persona, because he's writing a story about a hopelessly romantic apostate, fighting a battle against odds he cannot possibly defeat.  Anders asks "What do you mean, 'he cannot possibly defeat?'" and Varric says that isn't a good story, unless the hero dies.  :-\\

As for the person asking about rivalry-ing Anders, for the Visit Anders quest the guide I have only says:
"ANDERS F+15: Choose friendly responses
ANDERS F+20: Additional friendship boost if romancing Anders and extra flirt dialogue options are pursued.
ANDERS R-20: Additional rivalry boost if romancing Anders and you choose the “rude” option instead of a flirty one in the extra dialogue."

I got it from somewhere on the boards here, hope that helps somehow.  I can't rival Anders again... the male got me to do it once, he is no longer trusted.  Image IPBImage IPB

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Camilladilla wrote...

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No I don't think the idea was for it to go in a specific way.

If that poll in the story section in the other day was significative, then most people don't actually kill Anders in the end. It was only like 35% IIRC.


That's... really surprising. Just judging the number of people who seethe with hatred for him on the rest of the forums, I thought most people would have killed him. I know in that character survey that was done a few weeks back he was the least liked character, second last to Carver, but then again he WAS competing with the likes of Varric and Isabela.


Part of me wonders how much that has to do wth him being the only healing mage you can get (unless you get Beth which is pretty late if she's a mage (not too late if she's a Warden but most don't see that coming), or are a healing mage yourself). I know a few people who would've killed him but "they needed him." due to his healing magic. 

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Threeparts wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

To be honest, I really got the impression that he was suffering from 'bog standard' depression, for lack of a better term, in Awakenings too.
Not to get too personal, but I constantly surprise people when I tell them that I have suffered on and off with depression for the last 12 years because I am always the one cracking jokes. Nothing is ever serious. Anders has had some pretty crap things happen in his life, and he deflects it with humour. I can completely see how Vengeance could have exacerbated this. Particularly as someone said ages ago (can't remember who) that Anders is probably suffering from near constant cognitive dissonance.


I definitely agree that he uses humour to deflect negativity in his life, but I'm thinking more that he's active, he's taking delight in others' company, he's enjoying their jaunts around the countryside (for the most part), he risks his own life by coming back to help the Warden - things like that would indicate to me that he's going through a manic phase.
He has times when his mood drops when discussing the templars and his past in the Circle, but they seem more like dips in a good mood than the jokes being upticks in a low mood. If that were the case, I would wonder if his subsequent joining with Justice occured during a depressive phase, perhaps incorporating the memories of solitary and the fear of being alone that we've discussed before.
Justice's offer of assistance against the templars and Circle could have been something to cling to while feeling alone and depressed, a spark of hope that encouraged him to do something he may not have considered in a better frame of mind.


That's just... scary sad.

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You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.

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Camilladilla wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

No I don't think the idea was for it to go in a specific way.

If that poll in the story section in the other day was significative, then most people don't actually kill Anders in the end. It was only like 35% IIRC.


That's... really surprising. Just judging the number of people who seethe with hatred for him on the rest of the forums, I thought most people would have killed him. I know in that character survey that was done a few weeks back he was the least liked character, second last to Carver, but then again he WAS competing with the likes of Varric and Isabela.


Well if you went by the amount of hate something gets around these parts, you could probably also assume everyone hates DA2, and that's obviously not the case either :lol:

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The south has schizophrenic weather...it's cold one day, hell the next, then hailing that afternoon.

And we're supposed to get hail tonight. *grumbles*


Must we talk about solitary again? That was so depressing...depressing for me because it gave me a plot bunny and it WON'T STOP BREEDING.

But again, this is the reason why I have so much respect for Anders. HOW he came out of solitary still snarky is beyond me.

EDIT: And I think Helper said that having Anders live was a "poetic justice."




Yes, no depressing solitary talk! *curls up in the corner surrounded by Alicorn plushies and necroboners, nomming on Anders Cookies*

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Camilladilla wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

No I don't think the idea was for it to go in a specific way.

If that poll in the story section in the other day was significative, then most people don't actually kill Anders in the end. It was only like 35% IIRC.


That's... really surprising. Just judging the number of people who seethe with hatred for him on the rest of the forums, I thought most people would have killed him. I know in that character survey that was done a few weeks back he was the least liked character, second last to Carver, but then again he WAS competing with the likes of Varric and Isabela.


A lot of people refuse to kill him because it would make him a martyr though and some because they're on high difficulty and need a healer. So I don't think that number reflects those that like/dislike him 100%

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Sialater wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

To be honest, I really got the impression that he was suffering from 'bog standard' depression, for lack of a better term, in Awakenings too.
Not to get too personal, but I constantly surprise people when I tell them that I have suffered on and off with depression for the last 12 years because I am always the one cracking jokes. Nothing is ever serious. Anders has had some pretty crap things happen in his life, and he deflects it with humour. I can completely see how Vengeance could have exacerbated this. Particularly as someone said ages ago (can't remember who) that Anders is probably suffering from near constant cognitive dissonance.


I definitely agree that he uses humour to deflect negativity in his life, but I'm thinking more that he's active, he's taking delight in others' company, he's enjoying their jaunts around the countryside (for the most part), he risks his own life by coming back to help the Warden - things like that would indicate to me that he's going through a manic phase.
He has times when his mood drops when discussing the templars and his past in the Circle, but they seem more like dips in a good mood than the jokes being upticks in a low mood. If that were the case, I would wonder if his subsequent joining with Justice occured during a depressive phase, perhaps incorporating the memories of solitary and the fear of being alone that we've discussed before.
Justice's offer of assistance against the templars and Circle could have been something to cling to while feeling alone and depressed, a spark of hope that encouraged him to do something he may not have considered in a better frame of mind.


That's just... scary sad.


That's just great, Justice. Act even more like a demon - strike when your future host is at his worst. <_<

This is making want to give Anders one big hug and just hold him. :crying:

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sassperella wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

No I don't think the idea was for it to go in a specific way.

If that poll in the story section in the other day was significative, then most people don't actually kill Anders in the end. It was only like 35% IIRC.


That's... really surprising. Just judging the number of people who seethe with hatred for him on the rest of the forums, I thought most people would have killed him. I know in that character survey that was done a few weeks back he was the least liked character, second last to Carver, but then again he WAS competing with the likes of Varric and Isabela.


A lot of people refuse to kill him because it would make him a martyr though and some because they're on high difficulty and need a healer. So I don't think that number reflects those that like/dislike him 100%


Well yeah it's not so much about liking or disliking him, just about the amount of playthroughs in which he's alive at the end.

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wow you guys are really catching up to the fenris page. how about showing the same love to the Adam Howden (Ander's VA) facebook page and Twitter fan page? Or his real twitter page? He's actually nice enough to talk back to his fans that talk to him which is really nice, so let's show him our support. :)

Can't let Fenris/Gideon Emery get all the fangirl attention right?

/hypocrit who loves all three male LIs :whistle:

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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.


Sorry! Like I said, I have to deal with this kind of mental illness every day, so it's a fascinating topic to see dealt with in a video game, and really hard for me to take it lightly. I'll try not to srs up your crack thread too much, though!

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Threeparts wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.


Sorry! Like I said, I have to deal with this kind of mental illness every day, so it's a fascinating topic to see dealt with in a video game, and really hard for me to take it lightly. I'll try not to srs up your crack thread too much, though!


Don't get me wrong.
It's just....after the ****ty day I had.
Last thing I need is more angst.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

No I don't think the idea was for it to go in a specific way.

If that poll in the story section in the other day was significative, then most people don't actually kill Anders in the end. It was only like 35% IIRC.


That's... really surprising. Just judging the number of people who seethe with hatred for him on the rest of the forums, I thought most people would have killed him. I know in that character survey that was done a few weeks back he was the least liked character, second last to Carver, but then again he WAS competing with the likes of Varric and Isabela.


Well if you went by the amount of hate something gets around these parts, you could probably also assume everyone hates DA2, and that's obviously not the case either :lol:


Figures my two favorite characters would be at the bottom.

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Threeparts wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

To be honest, I really got the impression that he was suffering from 'bog standard' depression, for lack of a better term, in Awakenings too.
Not to get too personal, but I constantly surprise people when I tell them that I have suffered on and off with depression for the last 12 years because I am always the one cracking jokes. Nothing is ever serious. Anders has had some pretty crap things happen in his life, and he deflects it with humour. I can completely see how Vengeance could have exacerbated this. Particularly as someone said ages ago (can't remember who) that Anders is probably suffering from near constant cognitive dissonance.


I definitely agree that he uses humour to deflect negativity in his life, but I'm thinking more that he's active, he's taking delight in others' company, he's enjoying their jaunts around the countryside (for the most part), he risks his own life by coming back to help the Warden - things like that would indicate to me that he's going through a manic phase.
He has times when his mood drops when discussing the templars and his past in the Circle, but they seem more like dips in a good mood than the jokes being upticks in a low mood. If that were the case, I would wonder if his subsequent joining with Justice occured during a depressive phase, perhaps incorporating the memories of solitary and the fear of being alone that we've discussed before.
Justice's offer of assistance against the templars and Circle could have been something to cling to while feeling alone and depressed, a spark of hope that encouraged him to do something he may not have considered in a better frame of mind.

Hmm, this could be true. Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I can only go with my own personal experience. Once I hit rock bottom once, I never went back there again. And since then I've still been able to enjoy life to some degree, even when in the depths of depression. Although it doesn't really bring you out of your depression per se, being around people who aren't constantly judging you, feeling at least a tiny bit accepted, and also being active can really help in lifing mood.
There is also a shame aspect to depression in that you don't really want people to know how bad you are feeling. You could also interpret Anders' coming back to help the warden as a self-destructive '**** it, the Templars are going to kill me anyway.' moment.

I do definately agree with the bolded though. Particularly the loneliness aspect. At least with Justice he will never be alone again - something I would imagine being in solitary for a year compounded.
Also, as a side note, I can see why he thinks the Ferelden circle is only marginally better than Kirkwall's. A year in solitary is, to my mind, unimaginably cruel.

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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.


Go back one page!


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Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.


Sorry! Like I said, I have to deal with this kind of mental illness every day, so it's a fascinating topic to see dealt with in a video game, and really hard for me to take it lightly. I'll try not to srs up your crack thread too much, though!


Don't get me wrong.
It's just....after the ****ty day I had.
Last thing I need is more angst.


Sorry I brought it up. I actually came accross Jennifer's comment totally randomly, I wasn't looking for it or anything, but then I couldn't resist posting it.

Oddly enough that's the second time randomly come accross a DA writer's comment in another forum. The first time was David Gaider at a GayGamer topic about the whole disgrace for humanity that was the "gay gamers want David Gaider fired" incident.

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Time for a little bit of iconoclasm Anders style then to break up the mood.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

You guys, please stop drowning me in angst.


Sorry! Like I said, I have to deal with this kind of mental illness every day, so it's a fascinating topic to see dealt with in a video game, and really hard for me to take it lightly. I'll try not to srs up your crack thread too much, though!


Don't get me wrong.
It's just....after the ****ty day I had.
Last thing I need is more angst.


Sorry I brought it up. I actually came accross Jennifer's comment totally randomly, I wasn't looking for it or anything, but then I couldn't resist posting it.

Oddly enough that's the second time randomly come accross a DA writer's comment in another forum. The first time was David Gaider at a GayGamer topic about the whole disgrace for humanity that was the "gay gamers want David Gaider fired" incident.


Seriously? 

Oh that's just pathetic. :lol:

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MAKER NO, WHATS WRONG WITH THEIR NECKS, MAKER..

Is it the precious? It's precious... the hawke-rear.. precious..

GOLEM, GOLEM


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Camilladilla wrote...

Time for a little bit of iconoclasm Anders style then to break up the mood.
*snip Jenga*


My husband and I just bought Jenga. I get more enjoyment out of it now than I did before. *is a bad person*

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Ryzaki wrote...

Seriously? 

Oh that's just pathetic. :lol:


Did you miss it? It was some straight troll pretending to be gay who created a petition saying he was offended by how gay people were portrayed in this game, and that he wanted Gaider fired for it. It created a bit of buzz and was posted on some other sites.

That thread was about how gay gamers actually liked what had been done in the game, and that the petition was a ton of bull****. The comments section was filled with people agreeing, and Gaider commented on it thanking people for their support.

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silver-crescent wrote...

Did you miss it? It was some straight troll pretending to be gay who created a petition saying he was offended by how gay people were portrayed in this game, and that he wanted Gaider fired for it. It created a bit of buzz and was posted on some other sites.

That thread was about how gay gamers actually liked what had been done in the game, and that the petition was a ton of bull****. The comments section was filled with people agreeing, and Gaider commented on it thanking people for their support.


I think I did miss it. Or don't remember it well. You wouldn't still have a link would you? I could use the lulz. 

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