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[bleetman]

Ryzaki wrote...

Because it makes me think Justice is no good at all for him and Justice needs to be under control as soon as possible. Or just gone. Whichever works. Preferably the latter.

It's why I kill him at the end. By that point, any hopes of subdueing Justice seem to have evaporated. My Hawke just hopes that, wherever Anders goes afterwards, he's finally rid of the wretch.

[SmilingDeceit]

phantomdragoness wrote...

This game is just...the characters...the story...

I'll say it.

It's ****ing amazing.

^This.

What made me truely fall in love with this game was just how heartbreakingly emotional it got. The world is just f***** up by the time you finish it, there are no happy endings, lease of all for Hawke/Anders- what might be the lease horrible option is running away with him, giving everything up Hawke has worked for over 10 years, to just to refuse to let him deal with the burden of his suffering alone.

I hate these feelings that Bioware puts in me, but gods.. I don't want them to ever stop.

Modifié par SmilingDeceit, 21 avril 2011 - 03:35 .

[Inzhuna]

*dies of teh cute*

[Kawamura]

Ryzaki wrote...

It is I won't deny it. 

And I'm not saying he would be. But frankly at this rate it's only gonna get worse. 

It would be most likely. But that part of him to me is destructive.

If you pulled out the parts of Anders that were destructive, I imagine it would be more than just the parts that were Justice.

[YamiSnuffles]

silver-crescent wrote...

Man I'm glad I don't have any family members with psychological issues. The worst (and only) thing of the sort I've had was a grandmother with alzheimer's.

It is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. In the case of my mother in law, one of the worst things is knowing that she'll probably never be the way she once was. She gets a little better only to get worse again.

I can really feel for a Hawke that's with Anders. It's got to be hell, and I don't think I could deal with it on a day to day basis.

[silver-crescent]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

This game is just...the characters...the story...

I'll say it.

It's ****ing amazing.

^This.

What made me truely fall in love with this game was just how heartbreakingly emotional it got. The world is just f***** up by the time you finish it, there are no happy endings, lease of all for Hawke/Anders- what might be the lease horrible option is running away with him, giving everything up Hawke has worked for over 10 years, to just to refuse to let him deal with the burden of his suffering alone.

I hate these feelings that Bioware puts in me, but gods.. I don't want them to ever stop.

Well truth be told you have to give up on what Hawke worked for over the years either way. Happily staying in Kirkwall is never an option. 

[Inzhuna]

Kawamura wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It is I won't deny it. 

And I'm not saying he would be. But frankly at this rate it's only gonna get worse. 

It would be most likely. But that part of him to me is destructive.

If you pulled out the parts of Anders that were destructive, I imagine it would be more than just the parts that were Justice.

I agree, I was just about to write that. If you look hard enough, you can see that even in Awakening!Anders.

[SmilingDeceit]

silver-crescent wrote...

SmilingDeceit wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

This game is just...the characters...the story...

I'll say it.

It's ****ing amazing.

^This.

What made me truely fall in love with this game was just how heartbreakingly emotional it got. The world is just f***** up by the time you finish it, there are no happy endings, lease of all for Hawke/Anders- what might be the lease horrible option is running away with him, giving everything up Hawke has worked for over 10 years, to just to refuse to let him deal with the burden of his suffering alone.

I hate these feelings that Bioware puts in me, but gods.. I don't want them to ever stop.

Well truth be told you have to give up on what Hawke worked for over the years either way. Happily staying in Kirkwall is never an option. 

It is if you're Pro-Templar and side with them, staying in Kirkwall as the new viscount.

But f*** that noise and the templars. I wouldn't be posting in here if I did that.

[Amondra]

Threeparts wrote...

Amondra wrote...

I have been saying that until I thought my brain was going to explode from having to explain.  I can see where Anders is coming from, it's a dark and shattered place, and then someone comes along willing to cut their hands on your broken life so can try and put it back together.  That brings up emotions so strong it isn't even funny.

This times a zillion. I like to giggle and make jokes about Anders as much as the next fan, but so much of his story comes from such a dark, familiar place I have trouble distancing myself from it. It's why I have so much difficulty with taking the harsher options when dealing with him: even though sometimes it's for the best, it's difficult not to show the compassion that a person in that situation often needs.

And hugs @ Kawamura: I know what you mean about the hospital visits.

Exactly.  I don't know how many times I wished someone would just drop off some super glue or something >_>  So when Anders started talking in DA2 I knew I was ****ed and I would be hard press to 1) romance someone else on Fem Hawke(becuse oh sweetness I love Merrill with male Hawke) 2) Picking the harsher choices, because I know from experience, sometimes they seem like what you need to say and in truth it is the wrost thing you could be doing, it just pushes them that much further into the place, that they are rotting in.

On a happy note I rivalmanced Fenris with my mage Daemon Hawke...it was GLORIOUS!!! 

[Ryzaki]

Kawamura wrote..
If you pulled out the parts of Anders that were destructive, I imagine it would be more than just the parts that were Justice.

But the destructive parts of Anders are him not some outside force trying to coerce him into doing its bidding. 

That said destructive was the wrong word and I don't believe that they're as tightly intertwined as Anders claims. Justice pops out too often for me to believe that. 

Sadly since he's a "dead is dead." character I doubt we'll be getting the answer to that. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 avril 2011 - 03:41 .

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Man I'm glad I don't have any family members with psychological issues. The worst (and only) thing of the sort I've had was a grandmother with alzheimer's.

It is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. In the case of my mother in law, one of the worst things is knowing that she'll probably never be the way she once was. She gets a little better only to get worse again.

I can really feel for a Hawke that's with Anders. It's got to be hell, and I don't think I could deal with it on a day to day basis.

*hugs*
It's very difficult to deal with a partner like that, but not impossible. It's all very dependent on how they react to your support. I very much get the sense that Anders is greatful and (as I said earlier) never takes it out on Hawke, and takes responsibility for his behaviour. So, there is some hope there!

[phantomdragoness]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

This game is just...the characters...the story...

I'll say it.

It's ****ing amazing.

Not according to some people.

They are entitled to their own opinion. They can hate all they want, but all the hate reminds me of the Twilight Haters - too many, too dramatic, and too STFU.

Yes, there are plotholes, zombies, warped time-lines and bugs. Honestly, I just respect BioWare for taking the time to make a game for us - it takes a lot of time, patience, and so much dedication. All the hate is undeserved, I think.

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

*hugs*
It's very difficult
to deal with a partner like that, but not impossible. It's all very
dependent on how they react to your support. I very much get the sense
that Anders is greatful and (as I said earlier) never takes it out on
Hawke, and takes responsibility for his behaviour. So, there is some
hope there! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

You jump through hoops because you know it's worth it.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 21 avril 2011 - 03:42 .

[eleridragon]

silver-crescent wrote...

SmilingDeceit wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

This game is just...the characters...the story...

I'll say it.

It's ****ing amazing.

^This.

What made me truely fall in love with this game was just how heartbreakingly emotional it got. The world is just f***** up by the time you finish it, there are no happy endings, lease of all for Hawke/Anders- what might be the lease horrible option is running away with him, giving everything up Hawke has worked for over 10 years, to just to refuse to let him deal with the burden of his suffering alone.

I hate these feelings that Bioware puts in me, but gods.. I don't want them to ever stop.

Well truth be told you have to give up on what Hawke worked for over the years either way. Happily staying in Kirkwall is never an option. 

Which is why in my first game my canon Hawke never even considered killing him, she was nearly as messed up as he was by the end of things, and she wouldn't give up on the last family (to her) that she had left, as much as she knew there wasn't going to be a happy ending.

[Kawamura]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Man I'm glad I don't have any family members with psychological issues. The worst (and only) thing of the sort I've had was a grandmother with alzheimer's.

It is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. In the case of my mother in law, one of the worst things is knowing that she'll probably never be the way she once was. She gets a little better only to get worse again.

I can really feel for a Hawke that's with Anders. It's got to be hell, and I don't think I could deal with it on a day to day basis.

I think you'd be surprised on that one.

People are amazingly resilient, even if they're not always playing with all their marbles. I just hope you don't have to find that out.

But it is why I'd rather go into medicine, and the psychiatric branch. How do you minister to a mind diseased, after all? At least with bodies, you can pretend it's an enemy attacking.

[Kawamura]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kawamura wrote..
If you pulled out the parts of Anders that were destructive, I imagine it would be more than just the parts that were Justice.

But the destructive parts of Anders are him not some outside force trying to coerce him into doing its bidding. 

That said destructive was the wrong word and I don't believe that they're as tightly intertwined as Anders claims. Justice pops out too often for me to believe that. 

Sadly since he's a "dead is dead." character I doubt we'll be getting the answer to that. 

I think they're more tightly intertwined than Justice believes.

[mellifera]

Amondra wrote...
Picking the harsher choices, because I know from experience, sometimes they seem like what you need to say and in truth it is the wrost thing you could be doing, it just pushes them that much further into the place, that they are rotting in.

Ain't that the truth? It's a matter of logic vs. feelings. What you know. what you can rationalize is not always how you feel. In media, especially, it's always presented like the harsh truth is just what everyone needs to get their act together and get up off the floor and that tough love solves everything. It doesn't.

Modifié par yukidama, 21 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Picking the harsher choices, because I know from experience, sometimes they seem like what you need to say and in truth it is the wrost thing you could be doing, it just pushes them that much further into the place, that they are rotting in.

Ain't that the truth? It's a matter of logic vs. feelings. In media, especially, it's always presented like the harsh truth is just what everyone needs to get their act together and get up off the floor and that tough love solves everything. It doesn't.

That's true. Different people need different approaches. The best one could do is try to make sure they're presenting the best approach to the person in question. That said I've only seen tough love in media when dealing with men. (Either that or the love of a good woman wll solve all your problems. Ick.) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 avril 2011 - 03:46 .

[YamiSnuffles]

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Man I'm glad I don't have any family members with psychological issues. The worst (and only) thing of the sort I've had was a grandmother with alzheimer's.

It is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. In the case of my mother in law, one of the worst things is knowing that she'll probably never be the way she once was. She gets a little better only to get worse again.

I can really feel for a Hawke that's with Anders. It's got to be hell, and I don't think I could deal with it on a day to day basis.

*hugs*
It's very difficult to deal with a partner like that, but not impossible. It's all very dependent on how they react to your support. I very much get the sense that Anders is greatful and (as I said earlier) never takes it out on Hawke, and takes responsibility for his behaviour. So, there is some hope there!

Yeah, I definitely don't think it's entirely hopeless or something. And I do think that Anders is really good to Hawke most of the time.  I just think my Hawke is a stronger person than I. I don't know that I personally would be able to support him the way he needs.

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

phantomdragoness wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

*hugs*
It's very difficult
to deal with a partner like that, but not impossible. It's all very dependent on how they react to your support. I very much get the sense that Anders is greatful and (as I said earlier) never takes it out on Hawke, and takes responsibility for his behaviour. So, there is some hope there! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

You jump through hoops because you know it's worth it.

This is true. However I would just like to qualify this statement by saying that if you find yourself in a relationship where the other person makes their mental health issue your fault, get the hell out.
Therein is where the difference lies.

[Amondra]

yukidama wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Picking the harsher choices, because I know from experience, sometimes they seem like what you need to say and in truth it is the wrost thing you could be doing, it just pushes them that much further into the place, that they are rotting in.

Ain't that the truth? It's a matter of logic vs. feelings. What you know. what you can rationalize is not always how you feel. In media, especially, it's always presented like the harsh truth is just what everyone needs to get their act together and get up off the floor and that tough love solves everything. It doesn't.

No it isn't and in my opinion that was the case with Anders.  He needed someone to jsut well hold him and while he falls apart to be there when it is said and done with glue and kittens.  Because honestly Hawke saw and knew what she was getting into.  You love someone for everything they are what they will never be.  Anders didn't need tough love he needed love as a whole, and Varric as the best BFF ever.

[silver-crescent]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Man I'm glad I don't have any family members with psychological issues. The worst (and only) thing of the sort I've had was a grandmother with alzheimer's.

It is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. In the case of my mother in law, one of the worst things is knowing that she'll probably never be the way she once was. She gets a little better only to get worse again.

I can really feel for a Hawke that's with Anders. It's got to be hell, and I don't think I could deal with it on a day to day basis.

Actually my other grandmother got incredibly depressive a few years back, to the point that I almost couldn't recognize her anymore. But then she had to undergo an unrelated surgery, which went badly and ended up with her staying over 1 month in the hospital and losing a lot of weight, and yet when it all was over, she was back to being her old happy self, and still is after years have passed. It was the most amazing things ever.

Well, happy endings can happen, even in the worst situations

I guess that's why I don't have such a grim outlook on things. I think Anders and Hawke can have a somewhat happy ending too, all things considered. But of course ultimately it's up to interpretation, since nothing is set in stone and we don't know if it'll ever be.

[Kawamura]

phantomdragoness wrote...


They are entitled to their own opinion. They can hate all they want, but all the hate reminds me of the Twilight Haters - too many, too dramatic, and too STFU.

Well. I feel better. No more being serious and weighty.

[phantomdragoness]

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

AquilaChrysaetos86 wrote...

*hugs*
It's very difficult
to deal with a partner like that, but not impossible. It's all very dependent on how they react to your support. I very much get the sense that Anders is greatful and (as I said earlier) never takes it out on Hawke, and takes responsibility for his behaviour. So, there is some hope there! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

You jump through hoops because you know it's worth it.

This is true. However I would just like to qualify this statement by saying that if you find yourself in a relationship where the other person makes their mental health issue your fault, get the hell out.
Therein is where the difference lies.

Exactly.

[silver-crescent]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

It is if you're Pro-Templar and side with them, staying in Kirkwall as the new viscount.

But f*** that noise and the templars. I wouldn't be posting in here if I did that.

You end up ~disappearing~ 2 years later anyway. 

[Ryzaki]

...That gif confuses me.

Edit: And I still don't get the dissappearing. Was Hawke kidnapped or something? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 avril 2011 - 03:53 .