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[Thiefy]

crotti wrote...

Yay Threeparts!
I already thought that most of the Anders fans didn't like him anymore... D:

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Don't ask.

LOL

oh God 8am in the morning this is like the best thing in the world right now

[Threeparts]

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Okay, hold up. I can get that people are angry with him for his actions and attitude over DA2, but a deserter during wartime? He was a Warden, not a soldier, and Wardens don't get involved in human wars or politics. The Loghain/Alistair/Anora civil war situation was sorted out at least six months before we met Anders. The Blight was ended by the time Awakening began, and the Warden Commander had resolved the Amaranthine situation before he left. If he had stuck around until every last darkspawn in Fereldan was dead, there wouldn't be a story and we would long ago have died of old age. How, exactly, is he a wartime deserter?

[Eleinehmm]

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog.

O_o. I understand people wanting to kill him for the Chantry thing (Darius says bye bye, he never liked people with abstract ideals messing with his own plans), but killing people for not participating in fighting (he was conscripted into the Wardens, if I recall correctly, it’s not like he wanted to join) is just… ugh… Wardens are not exactly a superhero team; I wouldn’t want to be one, either.

[snarkycleric]

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

I see why people are upset over his blowing up the Chantry, but add me to the growing list of people who are puzzled by the 'deserter in wartime' - there was no war going on. The Wardens, IIRC, turned on him first. And if anything, since he fled to Kirkwall, he's been saving lives at great personal risk, considering he was healing them with magic and he says, more than once, that the templars were sniffing around his doorstep - but he stayed there and healed people for free anyway.

I see the terrorist argument, and I don't deny that his blowing up the Chantry killed innocents; I can also see the line of reasoning behind 'judgemental' and 'hypocritical', but I fail to see how he is a deserter in wartime or shallow.

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[crotti]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

crotti wrote...

Yay Threeparts!
I already thought that most of the Anders fans didn't like him anymore... D:

<___<
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>___>
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Don't ask.

LOL

oh God 8am in the morning this is like the best thing in the world right now

XD
I think it's great to annoy Anders haters... Although the word "Anders" should be enough to annoy them XD

[Threeparts]

crotti wrote...

Yay Threeparts!
I already thought that most of the Anders fans didn't like him anymore... D:

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>___>
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Don't ask.

I lol'd. 

I still adore Anders, even if I disapprove of his actions and had my heart stomped into paste. I was completely shocked and horrified by what he did, but making him a martyr for his cause was not a solution. I could write a whole page on my thoughts on yaoi Anders, my Hawke's motivations, and their actions after the Meredith fight, but suffice it to say he will not be let off easily, even though I allowed him to live.

[RoseThorns]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh I love Hawke's little "ANDERS!" when Anders falls (which is pretty rare). I could've sworn he said "Bastards!" once too.

I swear I heard Anders yell "No!" or "Hawke!" when my character went down in one fight.

That... or I was wishing he did.

[nodice]

OMG, Anders.

(Anders ****ing about Merrill moving in)
Merrill: Why do you only complain about me? You never said anything about Hawke and Isabela.
Anders: You can't really get mad about sleeping with Isabela. You understand. She's like a side dish. She comes with the meal.

XD

[snarkycleric]

@nodice

ROFL, he actually says that? That's awesome. XD Thanks for sharing!

[kellyofthemagi]

Anders also says nothing of Sebastain. Sebasain is a waste of time though.I found out for myself.

[TripLight]

@Crotti, your Anders!TrollFace made me decorate my screen with coffee, lol.

Count me in with the few who don't see him as a wartime deserter, as well. FaylGai and the Lyrium Breathed Templar are why he ran from the Wardens, Chantry has NO jurisdiction in the Wardens but the Uber-FaylGai allowed it, and Anders was policed, harassed, and probably emotional abused again from reading the teaser. Adding Justice to the mix as well already helped boil over an already volatile situation.
Hell, I'd run too, and take a few of the bastards out with me. But then again, I can be pretty vindictive >.>

[DeaHamlet]

I think out of all of them... Anders and Aveline are the most giving people out of all of them.
Anders stays in Kirkwall healing at great personal risk, always helping the poor and the desperate.
Aveline tries to maintain order and fairness while being on the guard, and to protect people.

By comparison... Hawke is a selfish git. I felt ashamed when one of the mages you track down stated it bluntly... you enjoy your sweetmeats while everyone else is starving. o.O Damn, you're right.
My Hawke tries to help people here and there, but in the game it doesn't seem like she helps her fellow Ferreldans all that much. A person here, some miners there... but that's it.

I know Anders is extreme and he's so complex that I can understand people's ire.
But all this BS about being a deserter and whatnot... annoying. He was not in an army, he was basically given good reason to leave (from the story given about him)... and he's staying in the thick of everything continuing to help people. I think that deep down he's a really good person, trying to do good things... and sometimes utterly misguided.

The boy has grown so much since Awakening, wowza.

[Flomulus]

Didn't really think that Anders would go as far as he did at the end of the game but it was a "nice" surprise although ,of course, Hawke had to kill him for it.
Then I do not understand the fact that his "old" voice was not just stripped from him but given to Knight Captain Cullen who had a , in my opinion, better fitting voice in Origins.
But I guess I'll consider him a romance interest for my upcoming lady Hawke mage playthrough unless of course there is a lesbian option. Isabela perhaps? oh speaking of which... I have a general problem with Bioware designing cetrain female attributes. Do they have to be that big on ALL women in the Game? especially Isabela's appearance does not help to create a sexist free Videogame culture.. that being said they could have gone the whole way and animate them instead of just putting two baloons in front of the female chracters that is just ridiculous.
Enough of me now the game is great and I hope we get to know how Flemeth was involved in all of the "Chantry annulment thing"

have a nice sunday
greeting from central Europe!
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[crotti]

XD  
I was bored, so...
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... Interesting. A Half Gay Life, huh? Gaffe All Ya Hi?   .... Fayle, you have a strange name...

[Eydris Ivo]

As much as I love Anders, and want to see him in future DLC and what not, I think it may be canon that he died. The shear number of people that killed him in the 'Did you kill Anders?' thread is huge.

One can hope though, right?

I dunno, I really didn't think killing him was necessary and neither did my husband who didn't even romance him...guess we might be part of the minority.

[SupR G]

Well, I definitely killed him.. since he was a horrible companion. From start to finish, he never changed, never faltered and constantly just whined about the chantry, circle and upholding the whole "rebel mage" persona. At the same time, his whole "Justice" side was completely underdeveloped. I loved him in Awakening, but it was just brutal to watch him in this game. I was happy to kill him.

[crotti]

Rheia1234 wrote...

As much as I love Anders, and want to see him in future DLC and what not, I think it may be canon that he died. The shear number of people that killed him in the 'Did you kill Anders?' thread is huge.

One can hope though, right?

I dunno, I really didn't think killing him was necessary and neither did my husband who didn't even romance him...guess we might be part of the minority.

Yes ~__~  at least we have fanfictions... D:
I'm already drawing my own version of the DA 2 story, so... XD 

[snarkycleric]

Rheia1234 wrote...


I dunno, I really didn't think killing him was necessary and neither did my husband who didn't even romance him...guess we might be part of the minority.

I didn't either. I can see why people would, but after thinking about it I felt that killing him wasn't necessary. Heck, I'd rather he live and continue to heal people.

[Souris]

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Pot, meet Kettle.

[TripLight]

Ditto, I didn't think killing him was necessary. He may have wanted to die, but he NEEDED to see what his actions caused and will cause. It may have not been kinder, but my Hawke's considered him a friend, and while still smarting hard from the betrayal, they did take Merril's advice. He was damn well going to help her set it right.

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[Sylph_14]

RoseThorns wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh I love Hawke's little "ANDERS!" when Anders falls (which is pretty rare). I could've sworn he said "Bastards!" once too.

I swear I heard Anders yell "No!" or "Hawke!" when my character went down in one fight.

That... or I was wishing he did.

I got a "No! Please don't be dead!" one time from Anders after Hawke got mowed down by a small colony of spiders in Act 3 Damn spiders.

[crotti]

TripLight wrote...

Ditto, I didn't think killing him was necessary. He may have wanted to die, but he NEEDED to see what his actions caused and will cause. It may have not been kinder, but my Hawke's considered him a friend, and while still smarting hard from the betrayal, they did take Merril's advice. He was damn well going to help her set it right.

This.

[SurelyForth]

SupR G wrote...

Well, I definitely killed him.. since he was a horrible companion. From start to finish, he never changed, never faltered and constantly just whined about the chantry, circle and upholding the whole "rebel mage" persona. At the same time, his whole "Justice" side was completely underdeveloped. I loved him in Awakening, but it was just brutal to watch him in this game. I was happy to kill him.

Actually, he did change throughout the game. As the situation grew more dire, he grew increasingly paranoid and bi-polar. Characters actually comment on this in banter. And, as he tells Hawke in Act 2, he is the cause of mages. He has made it so personal that it's exactly how he sees himself. Not every character becomes who the PC wants them to be, just like not every person will agree with you in IRL. This is especially appropriate in DA2 where the people who follow Hawke are just friends and Hawke is an independent agent/sword for hire. 

And the Justice side isn't underdeveloped, it's just subtle. Justice isn't manifesting himself outwardly to Hawke all the time, but he's definitely impacting Anders' mental state. I think that having Justice be like Companion .5 would have been too hammy.

Mostly unrelated- I did the side-with-the-templars, set him free ending last night. After the confrontation at the Gallows, Fenris rushed him (Fenris has never done that in battle before, he even beat Hawke) and killed him before Hawke could get close. It was too heartbreaking for me, so I let the others finish off the rest of the mages and reloaded.

But not before I noted that Anders' body had disappeared, while the others remained. 

[Threeparts]

Rheia1234 wrote...

As much as I love Anders, and want to see him in future DLC and what not, I think it may be canon that he died. The shear number of people that killed him in the 'Did you kill Anders?' thread is huge.

One can hope though, right?

I dunno, I really didn't think killing him was necessary and neither did my husband who didn't even romance him...guess we might be part of the minority.

I like the idea that I saw someone else bring up: we get a DA2 expansion and our first companion is our LI, the one that Varric mentions in our imported epilogue. And if we don't romance anyone, or our LI dies or runs away, we get Varric! I'm not sure that would ever be possible or plausible, but I'll be exceptionally sad if we get an expansion with Hawke and s/he's all alone, like the Warden in Awakening.

That said, if they need to bring him back, they already have a precedent in Justice's presence. What's a knife in the back compared with a templar sword through the chest, right?

[Kakulukiam]

Hey guys, I have a question....
I read somewhere that - if you have Anders on rivalry - there's a point in the game where he drags Hawke into a corner and confronts her on her choices she made, ec....
When will this scene show up in the game?
Thanks in advance!