Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Paranoia.
Meredith's take on the world is: "Blood magic! Blood magic everywhere!!!"
She's as damaged as Anders, if not more so.
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kittens.
0o-Constance-o0 wrote...
WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE KITTENS
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
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Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
SidheKate wrote...
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Where in the world has anyone said they think the Kirkwall Circle is the norm? Actually, you'll find most people in this thread think the Kirkwall Circle (and Kirkwall in general) is messed up. The veil is thin there, so not only do mages get possessed more often but non magical people also end up getting possessed.
However, I will argue you saying that every one of them turns to demons/blood magic. You see quite a few mages try to fight and subsequently get cut down. Because, guess what, Templars are built specifically to fight them. Nearly every one of them that doesn't turn into an abomination ends up being murdered right away. Plus, when you side with the mages, you get to fight alongside a fair number who never turn to demons while you are in Lowtown. In the end, you see in game more mages that don't turn to blood magic or demons in the fight in Kirkwall than you did in the Ferelden Circle in DA:O.
0o-Constance-o0 wrote...
THIS
OH GOD SO MUCH THIS.
Who made this masterful artwork, it cheered me up to no end
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
0o-Constance-o0 wrote...
SidheKate wrote...
THIS
OH GOD SO MUCH THIS.
Who made this masterful artwork, it cheered me up to no end
) Isn't it wonderful? Definitely good for cheering up.
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Miri1984 wrote...
Phenerios wrote...
She does her best to make it right. The Arishok was going to attack Kirkwall anyways. He had made up his mind on that point no matter what. And she never lied to me, she told the truth, but in a way that it wasn't very clear. Now, see I have yet to flame anyones opnion or bad mouth anyone. I am just adding to a discussion on a forum, in a thread that had no one stating the otherside of the coin.
Anders never shows remorse or asks to be forgiving. He knows that he deserves the death that I give him, but I believe he deserves more. I believe he should be thrown in a pit bound with the families of his victims. Let them decided if he is worthy of redemption, but there isn't time for that. So, one most settle for a quick death.
See, that's just being flamey. Your previous posts weren't. And if you bothered to read the rest of the thread (and I know it's a lot to get through) you'll see there are a LOT of people who agree with you that he betrayed you and deserves death, or some kind of punishment.
Also, you're wrong about Anders not showing remorse. If you go down the rivalry path he begs you to kill him for what he's done. He's completely broken by it, and hates himself for doing it.
On top of all this, you're contradicting yourself. You said outright that if someone lies to you and betrays your trust they cannot be forgiven. Izzy does both. So by your own arguments she shouldn't be forgiven and you should have sent her off with the Arishok when they wanted to take her.
The conclusion I have to come to is that the only reason you're angry with Anders is because you don't like him as much as you like her. Which is fine. But call it what it is, don't try to justify it through morality.
kromify wrote...
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
we know it kicked off there because it was the worst circle... but if the others were happy then they would not have rebelled later. the game showed you the worst blood mages because they were the ones able to escape generally speaking. there are plenty of mages who remain in the gallows and obey the rules which is why you don't meet them. the only bad ones i can think of offhand are grace, huon and eveline. you saved a bunch of starkhaven mages who weren't evil such as alaine who is a "good" blood mage.
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
kromify wrote...
Phenerios wrote...
You all seem to think that Kirkwall was the norm for circles. That is actually quite untrue. The mages from Starkhaven even mention that they had it better than the mages in Kirkwall. Also, the way the game portrays the mages I got tired of trying to help them, and them turning into aboms, and blood mages, and trying to kill me. It makes one wonder if the Chantry isn't right. They all have a choice but instead of going down fighting like Wynn would. They turn to demons to save them. The Kirkwall circle is weak and needed to be purged. The Fereldan circle is where true mages live.
we know it kicked off there because it was the worst circle... but if the others were happy then they would not have rebelled later. the game showed you the worst blood mages because they were the ones able to escape generally speaking. there are plenty of mages who remain in the gallows and obey the rules which is why you don't meet them. the only bad ones i can think of offhand are grace, huon and eveline. you saved a bunch of starkhaven mages who weren't evil such as alaine who is a "good" blood mage.
What about Jowan? He used blood magic, sure.
But if you spare him, he starts over. He helps people with his magic.
Idunna realises her wrongs too.
Merrill isn't a bad person, she just made foolish mistakes.
Blood Magic is a danger, sure. It's "blood and desire in equal measure". A blood mage always has the desire for more, but the school itself is not evil. A strong willed mage should be able to use it properly.
Phenerios wrote...
Okay, you all missed the irony in my last comment. Though I do have to say that no one seems to understand that the First enchanter of Kirkwall knew the mage that killed your mother, but refused to say anything about it. Maybe if he proved a little willing to help things the templars would have overthrown the Knight Commander earlier. Oh by the way the Knight Commander is acting the way she is because of a magical artifact that has increased her paranoia.
I am not here trying to change opinions by the way. I am just trying to show the other side of the coin to you. I have seen you side and was ready to fight with Anders to the death to free the mages. Then he has to go off half cocked without getting advise.
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