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[Nivilant]

I will die a happy woman if I never read about the blighted chantry again.

[snarkycleric]

Rheia1234 wrote...



We had some -interesting- conversation in the chat last night about the Chantry...and what to do there....

*coughs*

Rheia: I went back and checked the chat history. I think it spanned like three/four pages of chat history. We are awesome? Bad? Awesomely bad? As appropriate for an Anders thread, I suppose.

[BlastedLands]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Anders with his earring to cheer everyone up!

aye. this is far to much seriousness for a sunday-afternoon. come on, i had a really nice cake and now i come here and it's all..... BLARGH:crying:

[SurelyForth]

To be fair, though, I anticipated The Chantry Argument when I started the thread. It's not just for squee (although squee is welcome) it's for civil discussion about Anders and his role in the game/universe. I knew that he was going to be pretty much The Loghain of DA2, and I embrace both sides of the debate as long as they are rationally drawn and avoid attacking other posters, either by name or by proxy (ie. "anyone who spares Anders is a terrorist IRL and I hate you").

It might be circuitous for some of us, but that is the nature of the beast.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 mars 2011 - 03:43 .

[TripLight]

For Haerja:


http://nirrum.devian...ILERS-196617177

Modifié par TripLight, 20 mars 2011 - 03:43 .

[Eydris Ivo]

snarkycleric wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...



We had some -interesting- conversation in the chat last night about the Chantry...and what to do there....

*coughs*

Rheia: I went back and checked the chat history. I think it spanned like three/four pages of chat history. We are awesome? Bad? Awesomely bad? As appropriate for an Anders thread, I suppose.

Awesomely bad...sounds like something Zevran would say...hehe

But yes, we were very bad. It's a good thing we don't talk like that on here.

[Threeparts]

The discussion will always go in circles, really. Every time it dies down someone new will come in and raise a point that's already been talked to death, or post something inflammatory, and we'll discuss the same subject for a couple of pages until it dies down and is ripe for someone else to fan the flames. The life-cycle of a fan thread, really!

(I kind of want The Adventures of Hawke to be a television serial, just so we have something new to talk about each week.)

I think we all need that Homeward Bound DLC from the old speculative thread to cheer us up. The adventures of Ser Pounce-a-lot, y/y?

[Nivilant]

SurelyForth wrote...

To be fair, though, I anticipated this when I started the thread. It's not just for squee (although squee is welcome) it's for civil discussion about Anders and his role in the game/universe. I knew that he was going to be pretty much The Loghain of DA2, and I embrace both sides of the debate as long as they are rationally drawn and avoid attacking other posters, either by name or by proxy (ie. "anyone who spares Anders is a terrorist IRL and I hate you").

It might be circuitous for some of us, but that is the nature of the beast.

Certainly. I'm all for a good discussion, but when neither side says anything new after about fifteen cycles it gets wearing.

And yes, that chat last night was hilarious. Most fun I've had in a long time.

[BlastedLands]

TripLight wrote...

For Haerja:

[.......]
http://nirrum.devian...ILERS-196617177

LOL! omg that's awesome:lol:

[crotti]

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... "

[Abispa]

I've tried reading through the posts here, but I haven't seen whether anyone brought up how Anders would be remembered? Even if he survives, I can easily see him faking his own death after the events of DA2, and I feel that "canon" will be that Anders is a martyr. I'm curious to see if Bioware makes him the Jesus Christ of the mages, with cults to him and Justice, religious symbols created in his honor, and the creation of a "holy text." If he survived, I'd like to see his reaction to this and whether or not he's happy with how his vision turned out.

[Sarah1281]

I just get a little uncomfortable at the vibe I'm getting that you have to spare Anders to be a true fan.

[Nivilant]

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

Submissive, overly blushing female Hawke... or male Hakwe. That's one trait I never saw in Hawke no matter what personality I played. Also, the Fix-it Warden who does no wrong and gets persecuted anyway. In general, I don't like weak heroes (there's a difference between troubled and weak). The characters that actively aim for my sympathy usually overshoot straight into annoyance.

I kind of like reading anything when I start out, then fine tune it later to what I enjoyed most. It's how I got into Nate/Anders really. Chanced upon it, shrugged, read it, fell in love with it. It's always fun to read frazzled!Sebastian. Banter with Varric and Izzy is gold. Of course, Anders in most capacities attracts my attention. As does stuff to do with the Fade, since as much as I hate playing through it, I find it interesting.

Conversely, read so much Fenris/Mage Fem!Hawke that I am now sick to death of it. In fact I'm sick of Mage Fem!Hawke in general really. Same as I'm fed up of Fem!Cousland for the Wardens.

Also, developing a slightly unhealthy love for Meredith/Orsino hatesex. They do practically act like they're married in-game.

[Eydris Ivo]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I just get a little uncomfortable at the vibe I'm getting that you have to spare Anders to be a true fan.

I don't believe that. Everyone has different opinions and you can absolutely be a fan if you chose that route. It is a RPG afterall.

[TripLight]

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

When the story is just ALL about the PC character, admittedly most of the time a tropeMary Sue. Everything circles that character, every sentence and line is about that character. There is one person that does a comic on Dev art, who I enjoyed at first..but her character has become nothing but an angst magnet, and everything is about her. If it were done like Rooster's though, I would like it again.

I am just sick of seeing Bella-esque main characters, I want flawed-characters who make mistakesm and who can't negotiate every situation, who can overcome their weaknesses and trials but come out with the scars of those battles. That's my opinion anyway.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I just get a little uncomfortable at the vibe I'm getting that you have to spare Anders to be a true fan.

That's not true at all.  Fans of Anders can still kill him but appreciate what he has done for the story, whether bad or good.

[Sarah1281]

I'm surprised that you guys are have found so many DA2 fanfiction cliches already. A lot of people have barely finished the game at this point. How much DA2 fanfiction can there possibly be, let alone bad fanfiction?

[snarkycleric]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I just get a little uncomfortable at the vibe I'm getting that you have to spare Anders to be a true fan.

I don't believe that. Everyone has different opinions and you can absolutely be a fan if you chose that route. It is a RPG afterall.

I really don't believe that, myself - I have reasons for choosing the route I did, you have reasons for choosing the route you did, and it should end there. That's all. 

[Threeparts]

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

The one thing that puts me off a lot of fic is people writing about their PC. Other OCs? Sure. But not their PC.
Our Hawkes and Wardens are intended to be a self-insert, an avatar of ourselves in the world, and reading about someone else's character doing things just makes me uncomfortable. Like I'm prying into their fantasies or daydreams. NPC interactions are awesome, provided the person gets the characterisation right, but the PCs? Ick. It's like they say: no one wants to hear about the epic dream you had last night nearly as much as you want to tell it to them.
If people really want to write a new character into the story, I strongly suggest creating one that no one is going to start out with emotional ties to. I consider our own individual Hawkes and Wardens to be a little too sacrosanct.

YMMV, and I'm sure some people have done it well, but it's the one thing guaranteed to stop me from reading.

[Nivilant]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm surprised that you guys are have found so many DA2 fanfiction cliches already. A lot of people have barely finished the game at this point. How much DA2 fanfiction can there possibly be, let alone bad fanfiction?

In my case, it's a loathing carried over from fanfiction in general. I look up fanfic from all my major fandoms so I've seen every type in the book. In that sense I'm probably not objective enough to have a decent discussion about it.

The kink meme seems to be made up almost two-thirds of Mage Hawke, often with Fenris. So scouring through those when I'm already fed up of it is a little bit aggravating. I'm seeing a lot of that pairing because of the angst potential.

[tallon1982]

I've started my own fanfic but I'm trying to avoid my pc hawke and doing it a little differently. I'm not holding my breath that it'll do well lol.

[TripLight]

Threeparts wrote...

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

The one thing that puts me off a lot of fic is people writing about their PC. Other OCs? Sure. But not their PC.
Our Hawkes and Wardens are intended to be a self-insert, an avatar of ourselves in the world, and reading about someone else's character doing things just makes me uncomfortable. Like I'm prying into their fantasies or daydreams. NPC interactions are awesome, provided the person gets the characterisation right, but the PCs? Ick. It's like they say: no one wants to hear about the epic dream you had last night nearly as much as you want to tell it to them.
If people really want to write a new character into the story, I strongly suggest creating one that no one is going to start out with emotional ties to. I consider our own individual Hawkes and Wardens to be a little too sacrosanct.

YMMV, and I'm sure some people have done it well, but it's the one thing guaranteed to stop me from reading.

You said it better then I could.

[Teshayel]

I haven't gotten to that point in the game, but I spoiled myself with videos on YouTube. The one thing that gave me reason to pause was when Anders said he hadn't told anything about his plans to Hawke b/c he thought that she would refuse to help him, or _worse_, agree to help him. In one of the party banters, he also admits that the innocent people in the chantry deserve justice. I think he's desperate, and knows how horrific his actions are. I'm still dreading the breaking point though... There is this philosophical question, which I am not sure whether Bioware is alluding to with this choice: It is possible to create a completely just world, where there is no pain or suffering, but in order to do it, you must sacrifice an innocent child. Would you do it?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nivilant wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I'm surprised that you guys are have found so many DA2 fanfiction cliches already. A lot of people have barely finished the game at this point. How much DA2 fanfiction can there possibly be, let alone bad fanfiction?

In my case, it's a loathing carried over from fanfiction in general. I look up fanfic from all my major fandoms so I've seen every type in the book. In that sense I'm probably not objective enough to have a decent discussion about it.

The kink meme seems to be made up almost two-thirds of Mage Hawke, often with Fenris. So scouring through those when I'm already fed up of it is a little bit aggravating. I'm seeing a lot of that pairing because of the angst potential.

Meh.  Fanfiction.  Never really been a huge fan of it for several reasons.  Dragon Age fanfiction can be REALLY special, too, if you know what I mean.

[Sarah1281]

Threeparts wrote...

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

The one thing that puts me off a lot of fic is people writing about their PC. Other OCs? Sure. But not their PC.
Our Hawkes and Wardens are intended to be a self-insert, an avatar of ourselves in the world, and reading about someone else's character doing things just makes me uncomfortable. Like I'm prying into their fantasies or daydreams. NPC interactions are awesome, provided the person gets the characterisation right, but the PCs? Ick. It's like they say: no one wants to hear about the epic dream you had last night nearly as much as you want to tell it to them.
If people really want to write a new character into the story, I strongly suggest creating one that no one is going to start out with emotional ties to. I consider our own individual Hawkes and Wardens to be a little too sacrosanct.

YMMV, and I'm sure some people have done it well, but it's the one thing guaranteed to stop me from reading.

Writing about a Warden or Hawke at all or just a retelling of the game? Retellings of the game can get old, I agree, (pointedly ignores my epic DA:O story) but stories that involve them at all? Including pre-game, post-game, and just one-shots-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-the-game-plot? I don't see what's wrong with them or why there's anything more annoying about them than another OC. They don't have to be written as a self-insert regardless of how the game makes the world revolve around the Warden (and Hawke kind of obsolete).