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[JasmoVT]

Threeparts wrote...

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Okay, hold up. I can get that people are angry with him for his actions and attitude over DA2, but a deserter during wartime? He was a Warden, not a soldier, and Wardens don't get involved in human wars or politics. The Loghain/Alistair/Anora civil war situation was sorted out at least six months before we met Anders. The Blight was ended by the time Awakening began, and the Warden Commander had resolved the Amaranthine situation before he left. If he had stuck around until every last darkspawn in Fereldan was dead, there wouldn't be a story and we would long ago have died of old age. How, exactly, is he a wartime deserter?

This isn't a democracy with enlistment. It is a feudl society and he is sworn to the warden, a military order, and as such the liege of the warden commander. In the contexgt of such a society h has no right to a will of his own which he was told before joining the wardens. He is a man who has foresworn his oath and is without honor and cannt be trusted by anyone for any reason.

[crotti]

I would never write about my PC o_o
It's just.... strange <__<

I never thought about writing something like "Hawke's adventures" XD
I want to draw a comic about Anders (.. Anders POV)... ":D That's why I'm not sure what could be interesting... I always felt like they left out too much in the game - so I wanted to draw some of the events that changed him...
Okay, not change... but... you know "xD
I wanted to draw what we couldn't see in the game... nothing else ._."

Sorry if this doesn't make any sense. I can't concentrate... ADD + headaches = meh.

Modifié par crotti, 20 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[Eleinehmm]

crotti wrote...

Since I was too slow (.. again XD):

What things annoy you when you read DA fanfiction? What do you like? And what do you want to see/read/whatever XD?
I know I'm annoying but I don't want to draw a comic that bores everyone to death... ":D

Heh, I do not read fanfiction. I can't even understand people writing it :innocent:.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 20 mars 2011 - 04:32 .

[Eleinehmm]

JasmoVT wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Okay, hold up. I can get that people are angry with him for his actions and attitude over DA2, but a deserter during wartime? He was a Warden, not a soldier, and Wardens don't get involved in human wars or politics. The Loghain/Alistair/Anora civil war situation was sorted out at least six months before we met Anders. The Blight was ended by the time Awakening began, and the Warden Commander had resolved the Amaranthine situation before he left. If he had stuck around until every last darkspawn in Fereldan was dead, there wouldn't be a story and we would long ago have died of old age. How, exactly, is he a wartime deserter?

This isn't a democracy with enlistment. It is a feudl society and he is sworn to the warden, a military order, and as such the liege of the warden commander. In the contexgt of such a society h has no right to a will of his own which he was told before joining the wardens. He is a man who has foresworn his oath and is without honor and cannt be trusted by anyone for any reason.

Not Mage Hawke run away from Ostagar, guess he has no honor too - Should have died with the king

[Sarah1281]

JasmoVT wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Okay, hold up. I can get that people are angry with him for his actions and attitude over DA2, but a deserter during wartime? He was a Warden, not a soldier, and Wardens don't get involved in human wars or politics. The Loghain/Alistair/Anora civil war situation was sorted out at least six months before we met Anders. The Blight was ended by the time Awakening began, and the Warden Commander had resolved the Amaranthine situation before he left. If he had stuck around until every last darkspawn in Fereldan was dead, there wouldn't be a story and we would long ago have died of old age. How, exactly, is he a wartime deserter?

This isn't a democracy with enlistment. It is a feudl society and he is sworn to the warden, a military order, and as such the liege of the warden commander. In the contexgt of such a society h has no right to a will of his own which he was told before joining the wardens. He is a man who has foresworn his oath and is without honor and cannt be trusted by anyone for any reason.

Did you miss the part where they brought in a templar to keep an eye on him and now want him dead? And that fact that only some countries are fuedal and Ferelden isn't one of them? And the fact that even if you did make a case for him deserting a military order, it's still not during a war. You can't claim that every single minute of every single day is wartime for the Wardens because it's really not. And what about the fact that Alistiar can leave to become king? Is he not to be trusted as he is without honor as well? And what about the Warden herself? She steps down as WC and clearly isn't spending all her time as an active Warden. In fact, she even disappears at the end. Velanna disappears and if Sigrun and Nathaniel don't like you enough then they leave as well with no one really caring. It's really hard to understand how the Wardens get anything done since they recruit such horrible people who leave without honor during wartime seemingly at the drop of a hat.

[tallon1982]

JasmoVT wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

JasmoVT wrote...

Anders deserves no love or sympathy. From the git go in DA2 he is a deserter in wartime. If he did nothing else he would deserve to be put down as a rabid dog. Add to that he is a shallow, judgemental terrorist one cannot slit his throat soon enough.

Okay, hold up. I can get that people are angry with him for his actions and attitude over DA2, but a deserter during wartime? He was a Warden, not a soldier, and Wardens don't get involved in human wars or politics. The Loghain/Alistair/Anora civil war situation was sorted out at least six months before we met Anders. The Blight was ended by the time Awakening began, and the Warden Commander had resolved the Amaranthine situation before he left. If he had stuck around until every last darkspawn in Fereldan was dead, there wouldn't be a story and we would long ago have died of old age. How, exactly, is he a wartime deserter?

This isn't a democracy with enlistment. It is a feudl society and he is sworn to the warden, a military order, and as such the liege of the warden commander. In the contexgt of such a society h has no right to a will of his own which he was told before joining the wardens. He is a man who has foresworn his oath and is without honor and cannt be trusted by anyone for any reason.

There's a slight problem with that...You see Anders runs into the Wardens on a few occasions and not once do they try to take him back. If it was truly a military order Anders would be hunted down and punished accordingly but this is never done.

[snarkycleric]

The thing is that the Wardens don't seem particularly bothered about it themselves...? They're mostly, "Hi, Anders. Er. We haven't seen you in a while."

EDIT: heh, tallon1982 got to it first. 

Modifié par snarkycleric, 20 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[Eydris Ivo]

I really don't understand the deserter viewpoint. At least you can kinda understand the chantry viewpoint, but now this deserter viewpoint? I guess Alistair is a deserter, and our WC if she was Queen or Chancellor.

[Eydris Ivo]

Bad deserters...they should all go to their rooms...together.

[Sarah1281]

I wrote quite a bit about the Warden and I'll probably do the same for Hawke. My PCs, though, are just that: player CHARACTERS. I'm not writing about 'if I lived in the world of Dragon Age' here. They are completely different people who do things that I don't always agree with.

[TripLight]

I think people are just looking for reasons to hate him beyond bombing the Chantry, so they can justify even more about killing him in the end. It's not about roleplaying whether you kill him or not to some of them anymore. Because of real life events they can't separate themselves from that, and they can't objectively discuss his character. I am working on a mage pt where I am most likely going to kill him, due to my Hawke's reasons and experiences, not because of my own.

My opinion anyway, burn me anyway, lol.

[Nivilant]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Bad deserters...they should all go to their rooms...together.

Oh damn, now I'm craving the naughty chatbox.

...Somewhere along the line it stopped being about Fayle.

[SurelyForth]

crotti wrote...

I would never write about my PC o_o
It's just.... strange <__<

I never thought about writing something like "Hawke's adventures" XD
I want to draw a comic about Anders (.. Anders POV)... ":D That's why I'm not sure what could be interesting... I always felt like they left out too much in the game - so I wanted to draw some of the events that changed him...
Okay, not change... but... you know "xD
I wanted to draw what we couldn't see in the game... nothing else ._."

Sorry if this doesn't make any sense. I can't concentrate... ADD + headaches = meh.

A lot of people do, though. And I never actually thought it was a bad thing. I like reading different interpretations of The Warden, and Shepard, and Hawke and exploring the parts of the game that we don't see played out. There are some PCs that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth, but I rarely get a sense of them being self-inserts and I sometimes even gain new insights into characters and situations that I never would have considered on my own.

[Eydris Ivo]

Nivilant wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Bad deserters...they should all go to their rooms...together.

Oh damn, now I'm craving the naughty chatbox.

...Somewhere along the line it stopped being about Fayle.

Snarky and I are in the naughty chatbox.

We need to talk more about Fayle. Period.

[Sarah1281]

You know, I think I'm actually not basing my opinion on RL events. I was only ten when 9/11 happened so I really don't remember much, after all. I think what he did is horrifying enough on its own without bringing in all these unnecessary RL parallels.

[TripLight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You know, I think I'm actually not basing my opinion on RL events. I was only ten when 9/11 happened so I really don't remember much, after all. I think what he did is horrifying enough on its own without bringing in all these unnecessary RL parallels.

I was 17, you make me feel old Sarah!

[nodice]

TripLight wrote...

I think people are just looking for reasons to hate him beyond bombing the Chantry, so they can justify even more about killing him in the end.

I've heard this argument before and I don't believe it. I'd think it's quite the opposite. People are so disappointed on Anders they can't express their feelings properly, so they "hate" him, or more likely, his actions. I can think of many reasons why people are disappointed on the character as well.

[crotti]

I was nine xD

[Sarah1281]

TripLight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

You know, I think I'm actually not basing my opinion on RL events. I was only ten when 9/11 happened so I really don't remember much, after all. I think what he did is horrifying enough on its own without bringing in all these unnecessary RL parallels.

I was 17, you make me feel old Sarah!

Sorry.

[TripLight]

nodice wrote...

TripLight wrote...

I think people are just looking for reasons to hate him beyond bombing the Chantry, so they can justify even more about killing him in the end.

I've heard this argument before and I don't believe it. I'd think it's quite the opposite. People are so disappointed on Anders they can't express their feelings properly, so they "hate" him, or more likely, his actions. I can think of many reasons why people are disappointed on the character as well.

I really haven't got that feeling or read any posts like that beyond, "he's whiny, ****y, and rude to everyone and he blew up the chantry, course I killed him:devil:". And Yes I was disappointed with him as myself, but my character a mage who was at the breaking point of the whole ordeal, stood by him, though she would have done it differently.  I didn't think about others not being able to express themselves at his actions though, so it is something else to consider. Thanks for pointing that out, Nodice.

[crotti]

I like Mass Effect fanfiction. I'm sure there are (too) many bad ones but I was lucky and found good stories most of the time xD
I don't know why but I don't like Dragon Age fanfiction that much. Maybe because almost every story I see is about the HNF - and Alistair. I like stories about Anders who just escaped from the Circle or something similar. I don't want to read about things I can do (or did) with my own character. >_<


I never saw another reason for killing Anders other than "he's a whining idiot! I didn't like him in Awakening so I was glad that I could kill him now!"

Modifié par crotti, 20 mars 2011 - 04:59 .

[GailRana]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Snarky and I are in the naughty chatbox.

We need to talk more about Fayle. Period.

Did anyone else love when in the DePuis mansion and you look at the blood magic stuff set up Anders goes "blood magic. Someone's been naughty"

i swooned a bit :innocent:

[Magaloo]

crotti wrote...
I never saw another reason for killing Anders other than "he's a whining idiot! I didn't like him in Awakening so I was glad that I could kill him now!"

I think that is just how some people play in general no matter what the character.  If a character is offered to be killed (Wynne, Leliana...) people will do it.  Sometimes in a very disturbing over and over way. 

That said i dont think it is wrong to take the "Anders is killed" path.  It makes sense for many as a story for many after all.  I just dont get the "glad I could kill so and so"

[nodice]

TripLight wrote...

I really haven't got that feeling or read any posts like that beyond, "he's whiny, ****y, and rude to everyone and he blew up the chantry, course I killed him:devil:". And Yes I was disappointed with him as myself, but my character a mage who was at the breaking point of the whole ordeal, stood by him, though she would have done it differently.  I didn't think about others not being able to express themselves at his actions though, so it is something else to consider. Thanks for pointing that out, Nodice.

I've obviously been reading the wrong threads Or the right ones. All and all I'm quite annoyed that there only seems to be Anders hate or Anders love in the eyes of some. It doesn't quite cover the actual variety of feeling there is towards him. Of course, like in this thread people have been arguing about that stupid deserter thing, so it might seem a bit polarized.

Maybe some were hoping for a happy ending. That's enough reason to hate I guess.  Defence mechanism, anyone?

If people in fact hated him in Awakening, hating him now would be hating him by principle, since he's not too close to the original Anders anymore.

[Eydris Ivo]

Okay, I've set up an IRC for chat for us while were on the forums as well, hehe: It should work better than Chatango.

Server: irc.foonetic.net
channel; #faylefahl

You can use Trillian, Pidgin, mIRC or Mibbit to access

Mibbit: www.mibbit.com

Pick Foonetic from the servers then type #faylefahl in the channel area.

Modifié par Rheia1234, 20 mars 2011 - 05:37 .