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[Sarah1281]

I'm totally using that banner.

[leggywillow]

nodice wrote...

Who calls who a horrible person for liking Anders? Really? Show me an example, if you can. I dare you.

Actually, there have been some people getting surprisingly personal towards Anders fans.  Maybe not in this thread, but the phrase "battered wife syndrome" has popped up in at least one other one.  It's pretty offensive.

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[panamakira]

leggywillow wrote...

nodice wrote...

Who calls who a horrible person for liking Anders? Really? Show me an example, if you can. I dare you.

Actually, there have been some people getting surprisingly personal towards Anders fans.  Maybe not in this thread, but the phrase "battered wife syndrome" has popped up in at least one other one.  It's pretty offensive.

Yeah I don't get that. I've read that a few times in some other threads. In my case it's not as if I'm ignoring what he did. I know a lot of people either hate him or love him, I think my feelings for him and from Lady Hawke are more complicated than that. In fact I'm pretty upset at the things he does to get to that point. The rival-mance in the game best reflects my actual feeling about him. But I don't think liking Anders is making us develop a "battered wife syndrome" though?

Anders is just more complicated than that yo!

Modifié par panamakira, 20 mars 2011 - 08:16 .

[Sialater]

Anders is more complicated because there's essentially three people walking around in there.

[Sarah1281]

The Three Faces of Anders?

[sabreene]

leggywillow wrote...

nodice wrote...

Who calls who a horrible person for liking Anders? Really? Show me an example, if you can. I dare you.

Actually, there have been some people getting surprisingly personal towards Anders fans.  Maybe not in this thread, but the phrase "battered wife syndrome" has popped up in at least one other one.  It's pretty offensive.

Ummm... doesn't battered wife syndrome imply well, battering?  That the person is abused, either physically or mentally --  being terribly hurt, being apologized to, being terribly hurt, being apologized to...

Sorry, no matter how crazy Anders gets and wtf moment at the end, he never ever is abusive. Not even in the rivalmance when Justice gets all Vengency and tells you to go away.

I get so tired of being trying to label other people and put them in a box. It happens for all the love interests. Like Alistair? You must want to mother him, etc, etc.

Pretty soon I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and go la-la-la-la-la-la I can't heeearrrr youuuuu!

[LoneWolf4191]

Rheia1234 wrote...

As much as I love Anders, and want to see him in future DLC and what not, I think it may be canon that he died. The shear number of people that killed him in the 'Did you kill Anders?' thread is huge.

One can hope though, right?

I dunno, I really didn't think killing him was necessary and neither did my husband who didn't even romance him...guess we might be part of the minority.

There's probably more people, people who do not use the forums and all. To Anders he seemed to have a justified cause. The problem with the kill Anders forum is their ideals, sure it is nice to sit back and watch from the sidelines and then incriminate people later, but when you are thrown into it is more relistic. There are plently of things in our world which resulted in many people's deaths, every war. The bombing of Hiroshima, Blitzkeg, several innocent people were killed during the Cold War along with spies, even down to our normal everyday life, cops are killed civilians accidentally shot, murder rape. We do not live in a world of ideals as Isabela said. Those people wish to ignore life. In order for change people usually went to drastic mesures and the popular vote wins by far like in the American Revolution and any other revolution for all other countires like Veitnam, they were a French colony and now have their freedom.

[maselphie]

leggywillow wrote...

nodice wrote...

Who calls who a horrible person for liking Anders? Really? Show me an example, if you can. I dare you.

Actually, there have been some people getting surprisingly personal towards Anders fans.  Maybe not in this thread, but the phrase "battered wife syndrome" has popped up in at least one other one.  It's pretty offensive.

Eh? When does he hit you? Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure I'm not.

As a player, I LOVE that he breaks my heart, because it makes me feel an emotion. Just like how a horror movie makes you feel something. That doesn't mean, in the game world, that my char is totally okay with his actions or didn't kill him? I'm a fan of the character, not wishing my real life boyfriend would blow up stuff and kick me while I'm down.

[Celestria129]

Ok so I have been reading around the forums and in a post Mr. Gaider mentioned about how Anders is the only LI who makes the first move if you don't. I was wondering everyone elses popition on that. For me at least, it was really nice to not have to make the first move for once, and it was one of the things that stood out to me the most about his romance and madw me like it even more.


Link if anyone wants to see the post in which he mentions this. It is a wall of text and the mention is close to the end.

Modifié par Celestria129, 20 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[nodice]

sabreene wrote...
Ummm... doesn't battered wife syndrome imply well, battering?  That the person is abused, either physically or mentally --  being terribly hurt, being apologized to, being terribly hurt, being apologized to...

Sorry, no matter how crazy Anders gets and wtf moment at the end, he never ever is abusive. Not even in the rivalmance when Justice gets all Vengency and tells you to go away.

I get so tired of being trying to label other people and put them in a box. It happens for all the love interests. Like Alistair? You must want to mother him, etc, etc.

Pretty soon I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and go la-la-la-la-la-la I can't heeearrrr youuuuu!

No battery, no. Other ways hurtful, yes. Does it tell something about the player? No. Does it tell something about Hawke. Maybe. And about that relationship. Definitely. 

I think this is all very interesting. I can understand not all feel the same way.

[TripLight]

Celestria129 wrote...

Ok so I have been reading around the forums and in a post Mr. Gaider mentioned about how Anders is the only LI who makes the first move if you don't. I was wondering everyone elses popition on that. For me at least, it was really nice to not have to make the first move for once, and it was one of the things that stood out to me the most about his romance and madw me like it even more.


Link if anyone wants to see the post in which he mentions this. It is a wall of text and the mention is close to the end.

I liked Anders before from Awakenings, and did love the fact that I could forego that first flirt line and he would actually iniate it. It was charming, I thought.

[Magaloo]

nodice wrote...

As a player, I LOVE that he breaks my heart, because it makes me feel an emotion. Just like how a horror movie makes you feel something. That doesn't mean, in the game world, that my char is totally okay with his actions or didn't kill him? I'm a fan of the character, not wishing my real life boyfriend would blow up stuff and kick me while I'm down.

Not only I LOVE that he does break my heart with his action.  It also gives my character and me in some way to work through the feeling and make an important descision after.  I can choose to roleplay it in a light way but it can also be something that you carry for days after the game is done.  Not something I had felt in a game prior to Anders.

As for the "battered wife syndrome" please... I am all for mature discussion the board and opposing views but that is just stupid.  Anders can be a little manipulative but never in a abusive boyfriend kind of way.

Modifié par Magaloo, 20 mars 2011 - 08:41 .

[Miri1984]

My god, I read that and my jaw dropped. Battered wife syndrome? Some people are offensive in their ignorance. Truly.

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

[panamakira]

Well Anders definitely does not "hit you" lol but I think he does submit Hawke by the end of the game in some level of emotional abuse, if not blackmail.

I think people need to understand he needed to do all those things for his cause and some of those things does involve Hawke being hurt. I will have to agree that my Lady Hawke involved with Anders is pretty emotionally unstable.

But then who wouldn't after her crappy life. I can't say I envy that about her. I think that's where we draw the line from ourselves and Hawke.

[leggywillow]

maselphie wrote...
Eh? When does he hit you? Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure I'm not.

The "battered wife syndrome" thing was basically used to dismiss the arguments of players trying to defend Anders, which is what got under my skin.

[Eydris Ivo]

Battered wife syndrome now? What -will- they come up with next?

That's offensive. Oh well, not caring...going to continue with my Anders love. A deep and complex character...don't agree with everything he did, but I'm not going to re-hash it.

Modifié par Rheia1234, 20 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[LoneWolf4191]

leggywillow wrote...

maselphie wrote...
Eh? When does he hit you? Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure I'm not.

The "battered wife syndrome" thing was basically used to dismiss the arguments of players trying to defend Anders, which is what got under my skin.

Wow...just wow, people have to lie now to try and get the swing vote to get what they want and a horrible lie at that? Varric would be dissapointed....

Varric Disapproves -100

lol

[Sarah1281]

panamakira wrote...

Well Anders definitely does not "hit you" lol but I think he does submit Hawke by the end of the game in some level of emotional abuse, if not blackmail.

I think people need to understand he needed to do all those things for his cause and some of those things does involve Hawke being hurt. I will have to agree that my Lady Hawke involved with Anders is pretty emotionally unstable.
But then who wouldn't after her crappy life. I can't say I envy that about her. I think that's where we draw the line from ourselves and Hawke.

I don't think my Hawke was emotionally unstable. Had she stayed with Anders after the Chantry then I think she would have been in a very unhealthy place but she didn't. Other people's Hawkes could have been just fine emotionally when staying with him but mine couldn't have managed it.

[maselphie]

I guess it's Anders version of "emo" for Fenris? Just a go-to phrase to make yourself feel superior for not liking him.

I found an excellent quote not to long ago: "You are not superior just because you see the world in an odious light." - Vicomte de Chateaubriand

[nodice]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

[Eydris Ivo]

maselphie wrote...

I guess it's Anders version of "emo" for Fenris? Just a go-to phrase to make yourself feel superior for not liking him.

I found an excellent quote not to long ago: "You are not superior just because you see the world in an odious light." - Vicomte de Chateaubriand

Cheers!

[MikuHaru]

Can we all just ignore this ignorance/troll and go back to complaining about how Justice is a fun sucker? D:

[okiness]

My Hawke was insane. Running away with Anders at the end was the least of her worries.

[Eydris Ivo]

This and This.

[maselphie]

Rheia1234 wrote...

This and This.

I will never not laugh at this.