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[ClaraPippa]

Valentia X wrote...

ClaraPippa wrote...

I'm with you... and if not at the Gallows then a cutscene somewhere else with a kiss to end all kisses!  Although that kiss in the clinic leaves me breathless every ....single...time

Wait. There's a kiss in teh clinc? I hope it's in Act 3 and I haven't gotten there yet, dear Maker! All I've had is the kiss in my house when we meet. THAT ... was a good scene. If only it were a little more detailed, or you could give him kisses more often... Poor guy...

Yeah, if you tell him you don't want him to resist he lays a nice one on you. I gotta say, I thought the Alistair first kiss was cute, but the Anders one made my crotchety, single-loving self really miss kissing for a hot second.

I don't even remember that resist option in the menu... Hmmmmm... I may have to go back to my previous save point and replay that last part of Justice and Questioning Beliefs. I want to see this epic kiss! And yes, I love the Al one too, but I totally agree that the Anders kiss was... amazing. I was curled up on my couch and about to squeal when I played through the inital admission of feelings sequence. SQUEE!!!!

[ClaraPippa]

Ravenmyste wrote...

i like to know why anders and alister didnt know of each they met briefly with the warden commander at vigil keep when you re in the viscount  builidng

Plus in Awakening Alistair wasn't part of your group, or at least not in mine. He was king, and I was his princess consort, of course. I don't fully remember the whole awakening story, but I SO want to play it again after all this Andersloving.

[Ravenmyste]

Valentia X wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

i like to know why anders and alster didnt know of each they met briefly with the warden commander when you re in the chantry hall with them.

I thought they did; Anders was all 'hey, didn't you used to be a Warden?' Although I could see that as being taken another way.

yes but the way they  they said greywardens it seemd alister was like duh i dont know you from a hole in the walll when they talked to each sounded like that anders remembered him alister didnt even recall him till he mentioned greywardens and vigils keep fight

also  did anyone else think  at first glance that the king wasnt alisiter at all from the look of his new face?

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 12 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[TripLight]

@Pippa, the kiss is in Act 2, here's the video of it.

[Ravenmyste]

ClaraPippa wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

i like to know why anders and alister didnt know of each they met briefly with the warden commander at vigil keep when you re in the viscount  builidng

Plus in Awakening Alistair wasn't part of your group, or at least not in mine. He was king, and I was his princess consort, of course. I don't fully remember the whole awakening story, but I SO want to play it again after all this Andersloving.

nope he was in mine all the time my  chnaracter loves to romace him  as with this game my  girl is so romancing him  even when he tries to do the  oh you should leave me  cause i am going to die  when we get justice

[TheGoddess0fWar]

So I had initially intended to romance that bad-ass Fenris during my first DA2 play-through. However, Anders stole my heart. Cheeky Mage. Currently, I'm waiting for him to move in with me, I offered after that intimate bed-room scene but I have yet to see him in the estate, I'm trying desperately to remember whether or not I gave him the chantry amulet from Fenris's personal quest...maker I don't think I picked it up Q~Q

[nenosronhir]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So I had initially intended to romance that bad-ass Fenris during my first DA2 play-through. However, Anders stole my heart. Cheeky Mage. Currently, I'm waiting for him to move in with me, I offered after that intimate bed-room scene but I have yet to see him in the estate, I'm trying desperately to remember whether or not I gave him the chantry amulet from Fenris's personal quest...maker I don't think I picked it up Q~Q

I think you can go back and get loot from any areas you've already visited as long as you haven't changed Acts. Anders only officially moves in by Act III - it will say he's around when you invite him in Act II, but you still have to fetch him in Darktown until Act III.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Excellent! Thank you! Now to back track my steps!

[Jean]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So I had initially intended to romance that bad-ass Fenris during my first DA2 play-through. However, Anders stole my heart. Cheeky Mage. Currently, I'm waiting for him to move in with me, I offered after that intimate bed-room scene but I have yet to see him in the estate, I'm trying desperately to remember whether or not I gave him the chantry amulet from Fenris's personal quest...maker I don't think I picked it up Q~Q

I don't think the LIs actually show up in the estate until Act III. I never found that amulet either.

[nenosronhir]

The scene where you give him the amulet is cute. Wonder if I have a save before I gave it to him... (dear Maker I got up to like 700+ saves, lmao).

[Jean]

nenosronhir wrote...

The scene where you give him the amulet is cute. Wonder if I have a save before I gave it to him... (dear Maker I got up to like 700+ saves, lmao).

A lot of saves I have right before anything Anders specific are apparently either corrupted or damaged on my xbox.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Maker help me. I can't seem to recall where the "Abandoned Slaver Den" is that has Ander's gift. Is it somewhere along the Holding Caves?

Edit: Never mind, found the den. Now to find the Amulet.

Another Edit: Found the Amulet, it is in a chest in a corner of the room where the elven girl is.

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 12 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[nenosronhir]

Batteries wrote...

A lot of saves I have right before anything Anders specific are apparently either corrupted or damaged on my xbox.

I can't even play the game on my Xbox. I have the SE for it, but I have a teency TV - so all the text is COMPLETELY illegible. It also seems a great deal more buggy on the Xbox, and my Xbox is old, so it's having more and more trouble actually reading discs; had to restart three or four times before it would actually recognise the disc in the first place *sighs, goes back to kicking herself for not getting the SE for PC...*

[Lady Jess]

I can't even GET the quest from stupid Fenris. Is that going to screw my ending up by not having that amulet gift?

[snarkycleric]

I must admit, though, that what Anders does in the end game has me really wondering whether he actually loved Hawke like he claimed or if he merely saw her as a means to an end. Is it even possible for a zealot to truly love someone with any real sincerity?

I think he was sincere - he spent a lot of time trying to warn her away, after all. If he'd wanted to use her, he wouldn't have done that. And the whole thing about Anders that really breaks my heart is that the same guy who blows up the Chantry (resulting in the loss of innocent lives) is the same person you see healing refugees for free. He's at risk, but he never asked them for coin. (Am I the only one who was honestly quite touched in Act I by the fact that so many people were trying to keep him a secret and/or keep him safe? Because I thought that was an indicator of how much he helped the refugees.) How do you reconcile something like that?

[Darkannex]

Spoilerfiffics

The actual fantasy element notwithstanding, this is a heart-breaking development.
It's very obvious that Anders is unstable, even from when you first meet him.
This is probably the only case where I believe 'the devil made me do it'. Although in this case it is a spirit of justice, that makes vengeance. I honestly believe that Anders is not sane. While demons gleefully possess their merged targets, Justice tries not too - but I don't think it could be helped. Anders anger corrupts Justice and Justice corrupts Anders.
It's like Merrill said to Anders - she knows that all spirits are dangerous, and it's a shame Anders didn't.
He offered himself to Justice out of good intentions, but good is the last thing that resulted from it.

It is this understanding only that could possibly cause me to spare Anders. While there certainly is some relationship to zealot bombers...Anders is not really Anders due to Justice.

His discussion with Fenris asking if the slave ever considered killing himself was telling. As was his final comment. I really think Anders is as much a victim as anyone. 

Modifié par Darkannex, 12 mars 2011 - 02:38 .

[Raiil]

Lady Jess wrote...

I can't even GET the quest from stupid Fenris. Is that going to screw my ending up by not having that amulet gift?

I never did the quest, we still fell in love and so on and so forth.

[Jean]

Darkannex wrote...

Spoilerfiffics

The actual fantasy element notwithstanding, this is a heart-breaking development.
It's very obvious that Anders is unstable, even from when you first meet him.
This is probably the only case where I believe 'the devil made me do it'. Although in this case it is a spirit of justice, that makes vengeance. I honestly believe that Anders is not sane. While demons gleefully possess their merged targets, Justice tries not too - but I don't think it could be helped. Anders anger corrupts Justice and Justice corrupts Anders.
It's like Merrill said to Anders - she knows that all spirits are dangerous, and it's a shame Anders didn't.
He offered himself to Justice out of good intentions, but good is the last thing that resulted from it.

It is this understanding only that could possibly cause me to spare Anders. While there certainly is some relationship to zealot bombers...Anders is not really Anders due to Justice.

His discussion with Fenris asking if the slave ever considered killing himself was telling. As was his final comment. I really think Anders is as much a victim as anyone. 

Do you know what both of them say specifically?

[Raiil]

Fenris talks about slaves not really being able to even contemplate it, I think because they consider themselves property, not beings.


Man, I want a toolkit for this game right now.

[DragonRacer]

Valentia X wrote...

I never noticed the red and blue bit; it makes sense. And I like seeing Justice!Anders. It's like watching a lightning burst of power.

I'll be honest and admit that whenever Anders goes all Vengeance-y, it's creepy as all get-out to me. Then again, my very first Warden was someone who didn't think it was very nice keeping the mages locked away... but she was also very wary/a bit nervous about them. I did my rogue Lady Hawke the same way. Made it a very sweet romance: someone who starts out a little leery of non-related mages (cause, obviously, she'd loved and trusted her dad and little sister) - probably mostly due to not being a mage herself, so there's always that little element of magic feeling foreign and unpredictable - following in her mother's footsteps and falling in love with a mage, and becoming hard-core pro-mage freedom herself. But the glowy blue eyes and VOICE OF IMPENDING DOOM freaked her right on out. Made that fade sequence fascinating, since you actually get Justice on the flip side if you bring Anders along -- can't tell you how much she wanted to grab Justice by the shoulders, shake him soundly, and demand that he stop driving her boyfriend to the brink of madness.

Also, the scene you get with a romanced Anders after your mother dies... GAH!

And yeah, chalk up another person who totally died laughing at the "whacking his staff" comment a few pages back. LOL forever.

[panamakira]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Whether you love Anders or hate him, I'm thrilled that he's had such a deep impact on so many of you. When we started writing, I said that I would claim victory if I got even one player to change their preconceived ideas of who to side with based on the actions Anders and Meredith take. It sounds like we've achieved that. People tend to think of being devoted to a cause as a noble and heroic thing, but it's actually pretty frightening if you think about what it means to have an abstract ideal which means more to someone than their own or anyone else's life.

Yeah you guys most definitely accomplished that. I remember Anders telling my Lady Hawke he didn't know whether to kiss or kill her. Well I wanted to return the feeling. I did not approve of his actions but I spared him because of the relationship they had and maybe she can figure out a way to show him that there could be other alternatives besides killing innocents. I don't know I'd rather keep him close to prevent him from doing worst things. I don't think I could kill him.

I was originally a pro-mage when I started playing and I kept leaning more more towards the Templars at the end (or maybe I understood their point of view better?) but I couldn't let the Templars, no matter what stupidity Anders did, kill all mages because of him.

Brilliant!

[ClaraPippa]

Totally unrelated, well, mostly, but I saw someone else had issues on the 360. I have this game for the PS3 and it freezes the whole system at least twice a day. Thank the Maker I save often, and those freezes often let me relive cute moments!

[darkrose]

nenosronhir wrote...

At the same time, Anders has just made things exponentially worse for every mage in Thedas outside the Imperium. His actions will be used to justify repression and an even more heavy-handed police state that he was trying to overturn, and it's highly likely that more mages will die than would have if you'd sided with the templars. Even for someone who normally is 100% behind freedom for mages, it's not an easy choice--and that's why it's good.

No. I actually don't think Anders' actions make it worse for mages. Those that refused Chantry rule were already hunted -and killed- if they opposed the Templars. Those that did not were imprisoned, lobotomized, isolated, encouraged to hate themselves and everything they are because magic is a sin in the Maker's gaze. Life in a Circle is not living; the Circle mages that think so don't know any other life. They are feared and rejected by society because the Chantry deems them dangerous creatures - not people.

Anders removes the Chantry and the Grand Cleric with it because she and the Chantry are the only chance at a peaceful compromise; this is the only way the mages can gain the upper hand. The right to command the Templars lies with the Chantry. The people look to the Chantry for guidance. Remove that element, force everyone to stop and think for themselves, and yes, you get chaos, bloodshed - but therein lies the shift in the balance.

The peaceful compromise the Grand Cleric would have put forth would only have seen the mages return to subjugation. Even if, IF her decision favoured the mages, the power of that choice would have been in the hands of the Grand Cleric, and the Chantry. It would not have been the mages deciding to take freedom - it would have been an allowance from the Chantry, enabling it to maintain control.

Um. *shifty eyes* So, too late for a "IMO/YMMV" disclaimer? >A<;

I suppose it means what you consider worse. Look at any number of historical parallels; acts of terrorism in a repressive state are used as justification for crackdowns--and more importantly, as incitement. Anders has just done the equivalent of blowing up St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, or Notre Dame; a mage has just destroyed what most Andrasteans believe to be the physical center of their faith. He's lost any possible claim to the moral high ground.

So when someone's kid in your village turns out to be a mage, you don't make her sleep in the barn until the templars come; you shut her in and burn down the barn. All of the goodwill that Anders generated by running the clinic is now gone, or at the very least, overshadowed by his destruction of the Chantry. It's a good bet that the Chantry is going to be much more aggressive about policing mages in the Grey Wardens, thus hampering their effectiveness against the darkspawn--or worse, they're going to discover the (poorly kept) secret of the Joining, and decide that the Wardens are essentially blood mages. And, of course, the Chantry has an excuse to declare an Exalted March on all mages.

For that matter, you can look in the game world. The elves lost their second homeland because on top of humans not trusting them already, the Chantry used--or manufactured--tales of atrocity to justify their Exalted March. On a much smaller scale, the Tabris origin Warden is blamed for Vaughan's death, whether you killed him or not, and Howe claims that's the reason for the purge. Hey, we're fighting terrorists--anything's justified!

[leggywillow]

DragonRacer wrote...

And yeah, chalk up another person who totally died laughing at the "whacking his staff" comment a few pages back. LOL forever.

I've always said that Anders was quite good with his staff.

[darkrose]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

Whether you love Anders or hate him, I'm thrilled that he's had such a deep impact on so many of you. When we started writing, I said that I would claim victory if I got even one player to change their preconceived ideas of who to side with based on the actions Anders and Meredith take. It sounds like we've achieved that. People tend to think of being devoted to a cause as a noble and heroic thing, but it's actually pretty frightening if you think about what it means to have an abstract ideal which means more to someone than their own or anyone else's life.

You certainly succeeded in what was an even harder job because those of us who played Awakening were going in with a preconcieved notion of who Anders was. I was sure I wasn't going to be able to buy the transformation from cheerful, snarky flirt who likes pie to monomaniacal revolutionary, but you sold me completely. The first moment in the game when I actually felt emotionally engaged was the Tranquility quest; I might possibly have gotten a little sniffly when Anders killed Karl. 

So yeah--you rock!