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[Sarah1281]

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

[Sylph_14]

Rheia1234 wrote...

This and This.

You win EVERYTHING =D

[LoneWolf4191]

maselphie wrote...

I guess it's Anders version of "emo" for Fenris? Just a go-to phrase to make yourself feel superior for not liking him.

I found an excellent quote not to long ago: "You are not superior just because you see the world in an odious light." - Vicomte de Chateaubriand

I agree, as Isabela says, we do not live in a world of Ideals.

[okiness]

Rheia1234 wrote...

This and This.

ohmygodamazing

[LoneWolf4191]

Rheia1234 wrote...

This and This.

lol!

[leggywillow]

okiness wrote...

My Hawke was insane. Running away with Anders at the end was the least of her worries.

::snerk::  Yeah, my Hawke was pretty certifiably crazy the entire game.  (Yay for Cloudcuckoolander Hawke!)  It's really just shocking how she ended up in such an important position in the first place.

EDIT TO ADD:

To clear up some of this "battered wife" thing, nodice isn't the one who was saying that.  It was something brought up on another thread by someone else, and I simply mentioned it here to point out that Anders fans are getting some harassment on the forums.  That's all!

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 mars 2011 - 08:57 .

[TripLight]

Rheia1234 wrote...

This and This.

LOL, God love ya Rheia!

And who ever came up with the Battered Wife Syndrome excuse, what the hell are you smoking and where can I get some?

Modifié par TripLight, 20 mars 2011 - 08:56 .

[panamakira]

Sarah1281 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Well Anders definitely does not "hit you" lol but I think he does submit Hawke by the end of the game in some level of emotional abuse, if not blackmail.

I think people need to understand he needed to do all those things for his cause and some of those things does involve Hawke being hurt. I will have to agree that my Lady Hawke involved with Anders is pretty emotionally unstable.
But then who wouldn't after her crappy life. I can't say I envy that about her. I think that's where we draw the line from ourselves and Hawke.

I don't think my Hawke was emotionally unstable. Had she stayed with Anders after the Chantry then I think she would have been in a very unhealthy place but she didn't. Other people's Hawkes could have been just fine emotionally when staying with him but mine couldn't have managed it.

I would argue that people who claim there's nothing wrong with their Hawkes if they stay with him after the Chantry business is perhaps being a bit naive but it shouldn't be my place since it's not my PC.

I let him live and with me, even not agreeing with what he did but perhaps hopeful that there was something I could do for him besides stabbing him in the back. I think there is much more struggling within him that even if next week after that incident I'd have to kill him, I want to be sure is because there is really no other way or if I feel he's becoming a monster or Justice is permanently lingering here.

But I can't really sit here and say my Hawke and any Hawke would be emotionally stable staying with him. Hawke has gone through a lot. That's just what it is.

[Miri1984]

Am I the only one who likes Justice in Anders? I want him to stay. Be less... violent, maybe, but stay.

[Celestria129]

ok quick question.....where is everyone getting this "emo" stuff from in his character because I do not see it at all......

[LoneWolf4191]

Sarah1281 wrote...

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

I think it involves a "trust" issue really. But it is for YOUR Hawke to decide if they will give him that second chance or not.

[mellifera]

Celestria129 wrote...

Ok so I have been reading around the forums and in a post Mr. Gaider mentioned about how Anders is the only LI who makes the first move if you don't. I was wondering everyone elses popition on that. For me at least, it was really nice to not have to make the first move for once, and it was one of the things that stood out to me the most about his romance and madw me like it even more.


Link if anyone wants to see the post in which he mentions this. It is a wall of text and the mention is close to the end.

I liked it. Especially in the case of a guy Hawke, where else do you see something like that and it isn't played off as "gay for lulz"? It's very nice.

[Eydris Ivo]

Miri1984 wrote...

Am I the only one who likes Justice in Anders? I want him to stay. Be less... violent, maybe, but stay.

I think this often as well. I wonder what would become of Anders without Justice. It may be better to have them co-exist.

[Sarah1281]

Miri1984 wrote...

Am I the only one who likes Justice in Anders? I want him to stay. Be less... violent, maybe, but stay.

I know
that it might not be possible to remove Justice from Anders without causing a great deal of damage but if it WERE possible then I'd want it done, certainly. The only good thing Justice did for Anders as far as I can see is to convince him to work for mage rights but he did that before the possession. Everything since then...he takes control of Anders at times, makes it harder for Anders to stay under the radar, nearly kills innocent people who freak out at the sight of him...the only even remotely useful thing he did in DA2 was making sure Anders wouldn't get tempted by a spirit's offer in the Fade but there were only two spirits anyway.

[LoneWolf4191]

panamakira wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Well Anders definitely does not "hit you" lol but I think he does submit Hawke by the end of the game in some level of emotional abuse, if not blackmail.

I think people need to understand he needed to do all those things for his cause and some of those things does involve Hawke being hurt. I will have to agree that my Lady Hawke involved with Anders is pretty emotionally unstable.
But then who wouldn't after her crappy life. I can't say I envy that about her. I think that's where we draw the line from ourselves and Hawke.

I don't think my Hawke was emotionally unstable. Had she stayed with Anders after the Chantry then I think she would have been in a very unhealthy place but she didn't. Other people's Hawkes could have been just fine emotionally when staying with him but mine couldn't have managed it.

I would argue that people who claim there's nothing wrong with their Hawkes if they stay with him after the Chantry business is perhaps being a bit naive but it shouldn't be my place since it's not my PC.

I let him live and with me, even not agreeing with what he did but perhaps hopeful that there was something I could do for him besides stabbing him in the back. I think there is much more struggling within him that even if next week after that incident I'd have to kill him, I want to be sure is because there is really no other way or if I feel he's becoming a monster or Justice is permanently lingering here.

But I can't really sit here and say my Hawke and any Hawke would be emotionally stable staying with him. Hawke has gone through a lot. That's just what it is.

Every relationship has it's flaws. My Hawke feels horrible right now, loosing her sister, making Carver leave to be a warden and then loosing her mother to the acts of a madman and as she says, It's not mages it was just an insane man. Or something along those lines. You cannot sum people in a word or a sentace as Sten said from DAO because it does not go for every person. She lost the respect of a whole city mostlikely and her lover goes behind her back. The only thing that is happy for her right now is that Carver is back, Anders is still alive and she has the support of all of her friends, besides douche Seb of course.

[Eydris Ivo]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

I think it involves a "trust" issue really. But it is for YOUR Hawke to decide if they will give him that second chance or not.

Exactly. Nothing Anders does equates to battered-wife-syndrome. It's offensive and even hurtful to anyone who may have had an abusive relationship.

But I digress back to fun and cheesy posts.

[panamakira]

Well lol Anders without Justice would be a more Awakening Anders. I still think he would be thinking hard about freeing mages but less crazy-possessed-demon like about it for sure.

[nodice]

Sarah1281 wrote...

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

I was only answering to Miri. I never said I agree with the battered wife thing. I DON'T.

What I am saying is Anders does nasty stuff to Hawke too. Is that allowed here?

[okiness]

leggywillow wrote...

okiness wrote...

My Hawke was insane. Running away with Anders at the end was the least of her worries.

::snerk::  Yeah, my Hawke was pretty certifiably crazy the entire game.  (Yay for Cloudcuckoolander Hawke!)  It's really just shocking how she ended up in such an important position in the first place.

EDIT TO ADD:

To clear up some of this "battered wife" thing, nodice isn't the one who was saying that.  It was something brought up on another thread by someone else, and I simply mentioned it here to point out that Anders fans are getting some harassment on the forums.  That's all!

I didn't even plan her being insane to fit Anders. This was my intent from the start. I drew this like...the week Hawke was announced. http://celemna.devia...llery/#/d2tm2ea And you know, it works. IT really does. Makes the Anders romance kind of funny. "It's alright darling! You blew up that chantry and all but I'm pretty sure it just means you can't nag me when I kick puppies now."

[maselphie]

Celestria129 wrote...

ok quick question.....where is everyone getting this "emo" stuff from in his character because I do not see it at all......

Emo is the code word for Fenris, because he alledgedly whines all the time. I think Anders is more "tortured" because he's a doomed soul, capable of love but probably shouldn't love. And tragedy follows him around.

[TripLight]

If Justice and Anders were balanced, I wouldn't mind them staying bound together. If it was more like Wynne's possession where the spirit only manifested as abilities, definitely. But if the option to separate them really came up instead of as a lie I would have taken it in a heart beat.

[Eydris Ivo]

nodice wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

I was only answering to Miri. I never said I agree with the battered wife thing. I DON'T.

What I am saying is Anders does nasty stuff to Hawke too. Is that allowed here?

Absolutely. But of course it's going to irk us a bit when we find out people are saying that stuff. This is a thread for discussion as long as we aren't insulting eachother!

[panamakira]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Well Anders definitely does not "hit you" lol but I think he does submit Hawke by the end of the game in some level of emotional abuse, if not blackmail.

I think people need to understand he needed to do all those things for his cause and some of those things does involve Hawke being hurt. I will have to agree that my Lady Hawke involved with Anders is pretty emotionally unstable.
But then who wouldn't after her crappy life. I can't say I envy that about her. I think that's where we draw the line from ourselves and Hawke.

I don't think my Hawke was emotionally unstable. Had she stayed with Anders after the Chantry then I think she would have been in a very unhealthy place but she didn't. Other people's Hawkes could have been just fine emotionally when staying with him but mine couldn't have managed it.

I would argue that people who claim there's nothing wrong with their Hawkes if they stay with him after the Chantry business is perhaps being a bit naive but it shouldn't be my place since it's not my PC.

I let him live and with me, even not agreeing with what he did but perhaps hopeful that there was something I could do for him besides stabbing him in the back. I think there is much more struggling within him that even if next week after that incident I'd have to kill him, I want to be sure is because there is really no other way or if I feel he's becoming a monster or Justice is permanently lingering here.

But I can't really sit here and say my Hawke and any Hawke would be emotionally stable staying with him. Hawke has gone through a lot. That's just what it is.

Every relationship has it's flaws. My Hawke feels horrible right now, loosing her sister, making Carver leave to be a warden and then loosing her mother to the acts of a madman and as she says, It's not mages it was just an insane man. Or something along those lines. You cannot sum people in a word or a sentace as Sten said from DAO because it does not go for every person. She lost the respect of a whole city mostlikely and her lover goes behind her back. The only thing that is happy for her right now is that Carver is back, Anders is still alive and she has the support of all of her friends, besides douche Seb of course.

Perhaps you got a different impression from what I was trying to say but even you summed it up for me. How can you claim Hawke to be the same person after going through all of that? People are always changing, especially when you go through tragic events in your life like those. I highly doubt any Hawke would be the same person and not have some sort of emotional conflict. Humans are fragil like that.

But that's just my opinon. I'm not telling people how to role-play their characters at all. It's just an observation.

[Miri1984]

I think if the original plan had worked, without the warping, what Anders and Justice had could have been beautiful. I agree, the corruption has made it a bit unlikely, but if it was a true partnership there's the potential for a new type of mage and I think it could work really well. On top of that Anders wouldn't have to be alone any more - which I honestly think was part of the motivation behind the original blending. Truly my heart hurt in that short story, he's lost everyone over and over again, Justice was the one person he knew would never go away.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Anders does do awful things to Hawke. He has his reasoning, but he had done the damage already.

Staying with him does not, however, mean Hawke has battered wife syndrome. I kept him alive so he could fight the war he started.