highcastle wrote...
I am not awake enough yet to deal with this. I just know I'm afraid. The universe is now a cold, scary place with Keanders in it. I will always picture Anders saying, "Whoa," now.
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Super crappy photoshopping to the rescue!
Well, Keanu Anders (Keanders?) kind of looks like Anders. Definitely needs a bigger nose and different eyes.
*hides from own creation*
A. Fox wrote...
Hello, I'm new here and I came here lured with the whole 'kissing everybody' thing. That and having a soft spot for Anders
However, when I romanced him I felt kinda let down : < 'I love you' pops up constantly in conversations, yet... somehow I felt like he's kind of distant. He barely kisses you twice. I know he's busy with his whole 'viva la revolution' thing but... oh well. Are there any modded videos (like those with Hawke and Fenris playing Isabela's scene?) to make it up?
leggywillow wrote...
highcastle wrote...
I am not awake enough yet to deal with this. I just know I'm afraid. The universe is now a cold, scary place with Keanders in it. I will always picture Anders saying, "Whoa," now.
Now I want to see a photoshop of Anders and Karl as Bill and Ted. IT MUST BE DONE.
I don't know which I like better, the Hawke/Anders one or the Hawke/Merrill one <3nekhbet wrote...
Have some kissing then!
I [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie] that picture...
eleridragon wrote...
A. Fox wrote...
Hello, I'm new here and I came here lured with the whole 'kissing everybody' thing. That and having a soft spot for Anders
However, when I romanced him I felt kinda let down : < 'I love you' pops up constantly in conversations, yet... somehow I felt like he's kind of distant. He barely kisses you twice. I know he's busy with his whole 'viva la revolution' thing but... oh well. Are there any modded videos (like those with Hawke and Fenris playing Isabela's scene?) to make it up?
Welcome
And there's this which came from this thread I think.
Anders and his sassy walk at the end was the best, though.
Purposeof-Flight wrote...
Anders is a better actor than Keanu Reeves. >
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Well, it's Anders and Hawke's Excellent Adventures for now:
I can't wait for it to be colored.
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A. Fox wrote...
eleridragon wrote...
Welcome
And there's this which came from this thread I think.
That's one strong Hawke!
Thanks!
, here's what you all have been waiting for:"As the writer of Anders, and many other aspects of DAII, I found this an interesting and thoughtful examination of what we tried to do with the game. I do find it odd, though, that Anders is not discussed in regards to the treatment of the mentally ill. For me, that is primarily what his relationship is about — the difficulties of loving and trying to help someone who struggles with a part of himself that he cannot control and may never be able to control. It is certainly the experience I drew from when writing him, and I think it uses the fantasy setting in the way I most prefer to see — providing a magical metaphor for exploring real-world problems. To me, this is the central feature of his character — not whether he is gay or straight, but the inner demons (personified as Justice/Vengeance), which both he and you, as his lover, must struggle against every day."
I hadn't really thought of Justice/Vengeance as being an allegory to mental instability, or of there being much of a daily struggle, from playing the game (on a friendship path), save for the last codex entry. But I suppose it comes closest to a case of bipolarity/manic depression?
Anyway, this is a very confusing thing for me, because even if it's possible to draw real world parallels, things are ultimately quite different due to the actual situation and the fact that it's fantasy setting.
Which makes me wonder, is Justice's existence the cause of the issue, or is it his influence? Or is Justice just part of it?
And how does the situation progress in regards of the friendship/rivalry paths? I remember reading that the friendship path leads to Anders/Justice concordance, while the rivalry path leads to further dissonance. The 2 possible romance endings are quite different. Hopeful and seemingly at peace, but still very driven Anders vs out of control/wanting to die and regretful Anders.
Does friendship path attenuate/prevent the issues, given how they "merge", so there's less of a conflict? Do things just stabilize? Is it a downward spiral either way? Is it meant to be left to the player's interpretation? Or should we just wait and see?
I'm glad you enjoyed the character so much. Obviously, in a fantasy setting the real world metaphors will never be exact, but I certainly always thought of Anders as being essentially bipolar and I tried to use as much real world psychology as I could (giving away of personal possessions before planning to commit suicide, etc.). I think his romance captures a lot of the joy and pain of dating someone bipolar -- he feels everything in a big way, so his love is huge and all-encompassing, as are his hates, including his self-loathing. It takes work to maintain a relationship with him, and ultimately, Hawke has to decide if it's worth it, knowing that these are burdens that will always haunt them.
As far as friendship and rivalry, to me, the friendship path is about supporting Anders in his decisions, both to merge with Justice and everything that stems from that. Therefore, he is generally happier (more manic), and more convinced of his delusions, but is arguably a worse person (more willing to do bad things). The rivalry path is about making him see the error of his ways, so he ends up suffering more and tending more to the depressive side, but is arguably a better person who wants to make up for what he's done. Which is the "right" way is very much up to the individual player.
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Amondra wrote...
OMG OMG! Line art for the commission I had done for my fic I am working on!
http://sweetcandyrain.deviantart.com/ Thats who did it. She is such a great artist!
Modifié par nekhbet, 25 avril 2011 - 08:36 .
Jennifer Hepler wrote...
As far as friendship and rivalry, to me, the friendship path is about supporting Anders in his decisions, both to merge with Justice and everything that stems from that. Therefore, he is generally happier (more manic), and more convinced of his delusions, but is arguably a worse person (more willing to do bad things). The rivalry path is about making him see the error of his ways, so he ends up suffering more and tending more to the depressive side, but is arguably a better person who wants to make up for what he's done. Which is the "right" way is very much up to the individual player.
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Modifié par yukidama, 25 avril 2011 - 08:41 .
silver-crescent wrote...
Jennifer Hepler's reply:As far as friendship and rivalry, to me, the friendship path is about supporting Anders in his decisions, both to merge with Justice and everything that stems from that. Therefore, he is generally happier (more manic), and more convinced of his delusions, but is arguably a worse person (more willing to do bad things). The rivalry path is about making him see the error of his ways, so he ends up suffering more and tending more to the depressive side, but is arguably a better person who wants to make up for what he's done. Which is the "right" way is very much up to the individual player.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Far be it for me to disagree with a character's own writer, but the Rivalpath ending doesn't really give him any opportunity to redeem himself. The possibility does exist - provided certain fixes - for him to expand the number of people who find him utterly and irredeemably vile to include everyone however.
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yukidama wrote...
Yeah, I would buy the whole "he wants to make up for what he's done' thing if he weren't still possessed. Not doubting his personal motivations as much as that there is still a spirit inside him and it's not going to magically go away because Anders ~~feels real bad~~ about it. Especially when it can assume directy control to a point where he blows up a damn building. If it's just magically fixed because Anders is remorseful? Meh.
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