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[leggywillow]

okiness wrote...

I didn't even plan her being insane to fit Anders. This was my intent from the start. I drew this like...the week Hawke was announced. http://celemna.devia...llery/#/d2tm2ea And you know, it works. IT really does. Makes the Anders romance kind of funny. "It's alright darling! You blew up that chantry and all but I'm pretty sure it just means you can't nag me when I kick puppies now."

LOL!  My Hawke was more like this:

Hawke: Oooooh, pretty lights in the sky!  The red looks so nice.
Meredith, Orsino, Sebastian: OMG!  ANDERS WTF!  KILL HIM!
Hawke: Hmm?  Anders?  Oh yeah, he's so sexy, isn't he?  Look at those handsome brown eyes.
Everyone Else: Are you out of your mind?!  He's a terrorist!
Hawke: Is anyone else hungry?  I could go for a nug sandwich right about now.
Varric: ::facepalm::  When I tell this story, I think I'll gloss over the fact that this woman is utterly daft.

Rheia1234 wrote...

nodice wrote...
I was only answering to Miri. I never said I agree with the battered wife thing. I DON'T.

What I am saying is Anders does nasty stuff to Hawke too. Is that allowed here?

Absolutely. But of course it's going to irk us a bit when we find out people are saying that stuff. This is a thread for discussion as long as we aren't insulting eachother!

To leap to the defense, nodice wasn't the one who originally said that.  It was in another thread.  Just in case there's any confusion.

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 mars 2011 - 09:14 .

[LoneWolf4191]

Rheia1234 wrote...

LoneWolf4191 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

nodice wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Nodice There's no point in the game (aside from the emotional blackmail if you refuse to do his quest in Act III) where Anders is anything but grateful, kind and attentive to Hawke. He doesn't try to frighten you into doing what he wants, he doesn't get upset if you go out without him, he doesn't manipulate you or tell you you're worthless or ANYTHING abusive AT ALL in the entire game...

/rant over. Sorry, that one hit a nerve.

He lies and blackmails, Hawke can ever yell at him about that. He's secretive, because he suspects Hawke doesn't approve what he's doing, yet continues doing it and only comes clean when he has to (after the bombing). At that point Hawke can choose to kill him or run with him. 

At first Anders seemed like the best bf ever, but that changed dramatically during Act 3.

Yeah that still doesn't even remotely describe battered wife syndrome.

I think it involves a "trust" issue really. But it is for YOUR Hawke to decide if they will give him that second chance or not.

Exactly. Nothing Anders does equates to battered-wife-syndrome. It's offensive and even hurtful to anyone who may have had an abusive relationship.

But I digress back to fun and cheesy posts.

And Anders' spicy shimmy? XD

[nodice]

Rheia1234 wrote...

Absolutely. But of course it's going to irk us a bit when we find out people are saying that stuff. This is a thread for discussion as long as we aren't insulting eachother!

I'm not planning on insulting. I like it here.

Here, have a kitten.

[Sarah1281]

agree, the corruption has made it a bit unlikely, but if it was a true partnership there's the potential for a new type of mage and I think it could work really well.

I have to admit, this future terrifies me.

[panamakira]

I guess I wouldn't have that much of an issue with Justice (maybe) if it would've worked out like it did for Wynne. But their spirits reflect completely different virtues.

*sigh* Anders should have really thought about that one more.

[maselphie]

By the time Anders hurts Hawke, Hawke has the choice of ending it or not. He doesn't repeatedly hurt her over the years. And no, I don't think you can count the blackmail as part of his "abuse" because you has as much chance to continue to not help him as you did to change your mind. If that makes you go WTF then end the romance. At no point does Justice almost accidentally kill you, even in rivalmance, and then have Anders beg for forgiveness (let alone do it again) as a set part of the romance. His major betrayal is at the end, and the game appropriately gives you the options to deal with it. I, for one, will spare him but break up with him.

Modifié par maselphie, 20 mars 2011 - 09:16 .

[nodice]

leggywillow wrote...

To leap to the defense, nodice wasn't the one who originally said that.  It was in another thread.  Just in case there's any confusion.

Thank you. I didn't say it originally, or to be more clear, at all ever.
I was actually trying to discuss nicely.

[Miri1984]

@RinjiRenee It really depends on what you consider awful. He's secretive in Act III because he's trying to protect Hawke from the consequences of his actions, not because he's trying to be deliberately mean. I don't think he does anything awful to Hawke at all. Unless you're disagreeing with him, which of course, my mage wasn't.

Modifié par Miri1984, 20 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Eydris Ivo]

nodice wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Absolutely. But of course it's going to irk us a bit when we find out people are saying that stuff. This is a thread for discussion as long as we aren't insulting eachother!

I'm not planning on insulting. I like it here.

Here, have a kitten.

OOOOH Kittens!

*gives cookie*

[TripLight]

nodice wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

To leap to the defense, nodice wasn't the one who originally said that.  It was in another thread.  Just in case there's any confusion.

Thank you. I didn't say it originally, or to be more clear, at all ever.
I was actually trying to discuss nicely.

You've been a great sport about it too. Thanks for debating rationally and sensibly, it's a breath of fresh air.

[Eydris Ivo]

Miri1984 wrote...

@RinjiRenee It really depends on what you consider awful. He's secretive in Act III because he's trying to protect Hawke from the consequences of his actions, not because he's trying to be deliberately mean. I don't think he does anything awful to Hawke at all. Unless you're disagreeing with him, which of course, my mage wasn't.

This. My warrior questioned him and he did the blackmail thing. But my mage did not question him and supported him and he always treated her with respect. The end of the last conversation before the Chantry blew, he said to mage hawke "I knew you'd understand.' when she said that some things were more important than feelings.

[starfrak]

Question - if you choose to tell Anders to GTFO after he almost attacks (or does attack) that mage, does he still blow up the chantry? OR does some other mage do it? Or does he randomly come back and blow it up anyways?

[Eydris Ivo]

TripLight wrote...

nodice wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

To leap to the defense, nodice wasn't the one who originally said that.  It was in another thread.  Just in case there's any confusion.

Thank you. I didn't say it originally, or to be more clear, at all ever.
I was actually trying to discuss nicely.

You've been a great sport about it too. Thanks for debating rationally and sensibly, it's a breath of fresh air.

Absolutely nodice, thanks for the level-headed discussion.

[TripLight]

Arlias wrote...

Question - if you choose to tell Anders to GTFO after he almost attacks (or does attack) that mage, does he still blow up the chantry? OR does some other mage do it? Or does he randomly come back and blow it up anyways?

Anders destroys the Chantry no matter what you do.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Arlias wrote...

Question - if you choose to tell Anders to GTFO after he almost attacks (or does attack) that mage, does he still blow up the chantry? OR does some other mage do it? Or does he randomly come back and blow it up anyways?

He comes back and does it anyway.

[Addai]

LoneWolf4191 wrote...
There's probably more people, people who do not use the forums and all. To Anders he seemed to have a justified cause. The problem with the kill Anders forum is their ideals, sure it is nice to sit back and watch from the sidelines and then incriminate people later, but when you are thrown into it is more relistic. There are plently of things in our world which resulted in many people's deaths, every war. The bombing of Hiroshima, Blitzkeg, several innocent people were killed during the Cold War along with spies, even down to our normal everyday life, cops are killed civilians accidentally shot, murder rape. We do not live in a world of ideals as Isabela said. Those people wish to ignore life. In order for change people usually went to drastic mesures and the popular vote wins by far like in the American Revolution and any other revolution for all other countires like Veitnam, they were a French colony and now have their freedom.

Even if you agree with Anders in principle that the mages are mistreated and the Circle has failed, it doesn't mean you want to go about changing it by such extreme means.

My mage chose to kill him because he was a dangerous abomination that was obviously only going to get more dangerous.  She had killed bad mages and abominations for much less, earlier in the game.  That's not idealism, it's very pragmatic.  I did reload and spare him because I thought he ought to fight, but I wish we had a chance to go back and execute him after the final battle.

The spouse spared him because he was playing a warrior and wanted at least one healer for his party.

[panamakira]

Anders destroys the Chantry no matter what you do.

LOL I don't know why it amuses me so but I really want to have that as a sig if it wasn't such a big spoiler. It solves so many arguments.

Edit:
It's haunting my Hawke. She repeates that over and over in her head.

Modifié par panamakira, 20 mars 2011 - 09:26 .

[starfrak]

TripLight wrote...

Arlias wrote...

Question - if you choose to tell Anders to GTFO after he almost attacks (or does attack) that mage, does he still blow up the chantry? OR does some other mage do it? Or does he randomly come back and blow it up anyways?

Anders destroys the Chantry no matter what you do.

thanks!  silly anders.

[Sarah1281]

Must be some reunion. "Goddamnit Anders! Remember when you left to avoid doing something horrible? THiS IS KIND OF A PERFECT EXAMPLE!"

[Ryzaki]

My Hawkes get back with Anders because honestly they've already seen plenty of screwed up nonsense.

Even without the Chantry incident your Hawke isn't going to be the same person they were at the beginning of the game as they are at the end. My Hawkes seens so much death and destruction by the point with te Chantry they're just. Numb. Sick of everything, the fighting, the arguements, the being eyed warily because they're a mage, Beth's letters (if they aren't a mage). (Constantly finding and reading Anders' manifesto and it started nawing at their ear).

Then Meredith flips her **** and they're just done. No one should be in a position where some crazed lunatic can decide to kill them for the actions of another and have the law on their side. No one.

[panamakira]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Must be some reunion. "Goddamnit Anders! Remember when you left to avoid doing something horrible? THiS IS KIND OF A PERFECT EXAMPLE!"

hahaha~ :lol:I could see the facepalm of my Hawke when Anders shows up.

[nodice]

 TripLight, Rheia <3

If Anders didn't blow up the chantry and start the whole revolution thing, would the templar-mage conspiracy have done it eventually, what do you think?

[Miri1984]

@Nodice If he hadn't blown up the Chantry I think there would have been an exalted march on Kirkwall like Leliana was hinting at. Anders at least made sure that the mages were free and fighting when that conflict erupted.

[leggywillow]

Rheia1234 wrote...
This. My warrior questioned him and he did the blackmail thing. But my mage did not question him and supported him and he always treated her with respect. The end of the last conversation before the Chantry blew, he said to mage hawke "I knew you'd understand.' when she said that some things were more important than feelings.

All of my Hawkes question him, just because it's kinda refreshing to be able to play out an argument between two videogame characters in a relationship without being penalized for it, if that makes any sense.

My husband and I bicker and say truly hurtful things to each other all the time, and in the end we forgive each other.  No rivalry points gained.  (True, he's not any kind of revolutionary to my knowledge and he's never asked me to help him build a bomb, but that's beside the point.)

Basically, I leapt at the chance for Hawke and Anders to have some kind of interaction besides "I love you, you're the best!"  Honestly, people aren't always nice to each other in a relationship.  That may sound very dysfunctional, but I like being able to play that out in-game.

[TripLight]

nodice wrote...

 TripLight, Rheia <3

If Anders didn't blow up the chantry and start the whole revolution thing, would the templar-mage conspiracy have done it eventually, what do you think?

I think it would have happened eventually, the event like Ander's stunt to tip the pot, so to speak. You had the Resolutionists fanning the flames from outside Kirkwall, and Meredith losing her grip on reality and sanity even more with her Lyrium Idol Sword.  Add to the fact her own Templars were growing increasing wary of her, it would have come to that, IMO. Anders' Big Bang merely forced it to happen sooner rather then later.