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[Camilladilla]

Amondra wrote...

 No idea if someone shared this but who cares! This is beautiful!




http://claritylore.deviantart.com/

Oooh! You're right, it's down right gorgeous.

I'm amused that there's a lot of fan art of Anders floating around with him wearing nothing but his feathery pauldrons though.

Modifié par Camilladilla, 26 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[Tasmen]

Camilladilla wrote...

I'm amused that there's a lot of fan art of Anders floating around with him wearing nothing but his feathery pauldrons though.

Ikr?  People are definitely pretty obsessed with the feathers.

[Amondra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra wrote...

 No idea if someone shared this but who cares! This is beautiful!




http://claritylore.deviantart.com/

Oooh! You're right, it's down right gorgeous.

I'm amused that there's a lot of fan art of Anders floating around with him wearing nothing but his feathery pauldrons though.

I think it plays on his "soft innocent" touch...also it is the only constant stable he has >_>  I would make him keep it on.

Edit: Also Cam your avatar is hot...just saying.

Modifié par Amondra, 26 avril 2011 - 04:02 .

[mellifera]

I will continue to insist that his default outfit has furry shoulders and they are only feathery in his prettiest terrorist costume, regardless of what Varric says because those are not feathers.

[SmilingDeceit]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra wrote...

 No idea if someone shared this but who cares! This is beautiful!




http://claritylore.deviantart.com/

Oooh! You're right, it's down right gorgeous.

I'm amused that there's a lot of fan art of Anders floating around with him wearing nothing but his feathery pauldrons though.

Use the feather on him!

[Mistress Tasharra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra wrote...

 No idea if someone shared this but who cares! This is beautiful!




http://claritylore.deviantart.com/

Oooh! You're right, it's down right gorgeous.

I'm amused that there's a lot of fan art of Anders floating around with him wearing nothing but his feathery pauldrons though.

Nothing like coming back to this thread and seeing that.

I support the feathery pauldron fetish.

*Drools*

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

After playing origins for a while, I have concluded that there are two things DA2 needed.
More Alistair and Zev. (As they used to look)
They're needed badly.

[Amondra]

yukidama wrote...

I will continue to insist that his default outfit has furry shoulders and they are only feathery in his prettiest terrorist costume, regardless of what Varric says because those are not feathers.

Fur, feathers it doesn't matter.  The real problem is why do we never see him naked >_> Also I still support Anders losing clothes when Justice comes out and plays...

[Mistress Tasharra]

Amondra wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I will continue to insist that his default outfit has furry shoulders and they are only feathery in his prettiest terrorist costume, regardless of what Varric says because those are not feathers.

Fur, feathers it doesn't matter.  The real problem is why do we never see him naked >_> Also I still support Anders losing clothes when Justice comes out and plays...

I...

For all my love of a glowing Anders, I've never actually stopped to think about what a naked Anders would look like while Justiced-out.

Now I am.

And I'm in a very happy place.

[Camilladilla]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Nothing like coming back to this thread and seeing that.

I support the feathery pauldron fetish.

*Drools*

Mmmmm yes.

And they're so convenient for naughty sexytiems.

Amondra: Thank you! I think he looks a leettle too girly, but the girliness is growing on me XD

[mellifera]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra: Thank you! I think he looks a leettle too girly, but the girliness is growing on me XD

He just moisturizes and gets a lot of beauty sleep~

[Amondra]

Mistress: It is indeed! stay as long as you like.

Cam: LOL thats okay mine looked liked Calin and I didn't realize it until my boyfriend pointed out >_<

[Kawamura]

yukidama wrote...

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Hawke: Touch-a touch-a touch-a touch me, I wanna be  diiiirtyyy~~

susan sarandon's voice coming out of hawke's face is the weirdest mental image, i swear

He's singing into a Thor.

Also why does Lady Hawke look so much like Dan Radcliffe Harry...

I... did not need to wake up from my late nap to have that image.

The thor and the Sarandon.

... and a commercial for Thor comes on. Great.

[Amondra]

 I heard that Fenris had some inspiration from Valen Shadowbreath from NWN.  If this is true Fenris has a new sex appeal! So that I am on topic ANDERS!:

[ipgd]

GIRLY HAWKE POWERLOLOLOL

my hawke spends more time in front of the mirror than bethany does, because what's the point in being champion if you can't sparkle aggressively ~~~

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

GIRLY HAWKE POWERLOLOLOL

my hawke spends more time in front of the mirror than bethany does, because what's the point in being champion if you can't sparkle aggressively ~~~

Which one? Surely it isn't Meredanders, as he is such a natural and flawless beauty no mirror could accurately reflect his image.

[upsettingshorts]

I thought Meredanders applied makeup based purely on intuition. Only less fabulous people would need something as crude as a mirror to confirm the success of their look.

[Ninche]

*catches her breath after speed reading of 13 pages**

Maker I missed some INTENSE discussions last night! AND the HP fandom conversation (Remus/Sirius popped my fanfiction cherry)

After reading through your rival vs. friend discussion I have made one main conclusion: The themes and issues touched upon in DA2 are way too complex to be summed up in a few conversations with limited reply/investigate options. I know Gaider says the ammount of conversations etc. you have with companions is the same as Origins but I think the DA2 story needs alot more. I also realise that Anders is by no means the center of the story, and the relationship with him is perhaps not essential to the outcomes of it, but since he seems to embody all the conflicts and complexity of the mage/templar debate I believe getting to know him and his condition better would have been pleasurable and useful. Even my -not-easily-impressed-or-emotionally-involved- better half admitted he enjoys the companion quests and conversations more than the main plot of the game at the moment, and he enjoys the Anders quests because they give him insight to what both mages and templars are capable of.

I am seriously counting on some very well written and designed DLCs to fill in all the blanks and introduce an opportunity to get to know the companions better.

[Amondra]

Ninche wrote...

*catches her breath after speed reading of 13 pages**

Maker I missed some INTENSE discussions last night! AND the HP fandom conversation (Remus/Sirius popped my fanfiction cherry)

After reading through your rival vs. friend discussion I have made one main conclusion: The themes and issues touched upon in DA2 are way too complex to be summed up in a few conversations with limited reply/investigate options. I know Gaider says the ammount of conversations etc. you have with companions is the same as Origins but I think the DA2 story needs alot more. I also realise that Anders is by no means the center of the story, and the relationship with him is perhaps not essential to the outcomes of it, but since he seems to embody all the conflicts and complexity of the mage/templar debate I believe getting to know him and his condition better would have been pleasurable and useful. Even my -not-easily-impressed-or-emotionally-involved- better half admitted he enjoys the companion quests and conversations more than the main plot of the game at the moment, and he enjoys the Anders quests because they give him insight to what both mages and templars are capable of.

I am seriously counting on some very well written and designed DLCs to fill in all the blanks and introduce an opportunity to get to know the companions better.

^  I couldn't agree more.  Me and my less then better half   feel that same way.  Like I have said and also why I write things Anders centric is because I feel like at some point Anders was the focus.  Well hell in arc two Isabela also kinda took over there in the end.  I also think people see, I don't about understand. Ander more if we could get more out of him.

DA2 companions weren't like the ones in the first game.  These people didn't follow you around because they can.  You were lead by them and they took you on an adventure.  They just let you have the credit so they could enjoy their own life.  They had their own agenda's and didn't follow you blindly.  I loved it! That alone to me means we needed more talk time with them.

[Threeparts]

So, something I was considering a few pages back, when you guys were discussing the best route for Anders was Hawke's conscious or unconscious decisions on how to deal with the situation.
We, as the players, can see the changes the Anders goes through between both Friendship and Rivalry, platonic and romanced relationships, templar and mage conclusions. Hawke, obviously, has no awareness of what could have happened had he or she handled Anders in a different manner.

I'm trying to recall the different conversations that my canon Hawke had with Anders on-screen, and how she would have understood the mechanics of the possession. She's not a mage, and therefore has no experience with fade spirits or abominations that aren't flesh beasts that need to be killed on sight. Given how much Anders contradicts himself when speaking of the possession, it's hard for me to come up with a firm opinion on what she might think - possibly she'd be just as frigging confused as I am sometimes.

That said, I think she'd mostly take Anders at his word that he knows what he's doing, and trusts that the choices he's making are his own. It might be oversimplifying, but I can see how a magically untrained Hawke would assume that the only times the spirit is affecting Anders' judgement is when he's got his blue glow on. If he looks normal, then obviously everything is fine. His opinions and hatred of the Circles might be extreme, but plenty of non-possessed people have extreme opinions too. Mood swings? Also totally normal, if frustrating.

Regardless of what would be "best" for him, would she understand that he and the spirit could conflict at all - let alone that she could have chosen to exacerbate the condition - if she believes that he has full control over his faculties as long as there aren't any physical symptoms?
I need to replay to recall conversations on the topic, and there are the unknown years inbetween to account for, but I could very easily believe that Hawke could have no idea of just how much the possession is able to influence Anders, and is therefore not really able to objectively choose what is best for him in the end.

Also, I want to complain about how much Anders contradicts himself when talking about J/V and how it affects him, and whether that's in character or just sloppy writing, but that's a deer to paint another day.

Modifié par Threeparts, 26 avril 2011 - 10:33 .

[upsettingshorts]

Well I never quite got the impression Anders actually had concrete answers. He deflected some questions, had guesses for others, expressed outright denial at times, and even simply hoped for the best or retreated to his cause.

I mean, his persistent lack of coherence on the subject had me smelling a rat the second he confidently proposed the whole potion trick in Act 3.

But I'm near certain this was intentionally done. I don't think Anders should really have the capability or the perspective necessary to explain what is truly going on in his own head.

Edit:  The question of which particular outcome is best for Anders simply wouldn't occur to my (main) Hawke.  Anders certainly didn't seem to care if what he was doing was good for (this particular) Hawke, for starters.  Essentially Anders actions had their desired effect, it pushed people over the edge, in Hawke's case though, he may not have predicted - or like so many things, simply assumed - which edge that would be.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 26 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[purplecookie]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well I never quite got the impression Anders actually had concrete answers. He deflected some questions, had guesses for others, expressed outright denial at times, and even simply hoped for the best or retreated to his cause.

I mean, his persistent lack of coherence on the subject had me smelling a rat the second he confidently proposed the whole potion trick in Act 3.

But I'm near certain this was intentionally done. I don't think Anders should really have the capability or the perspective necessary to explain what is truly going on in his own head.

Agreed. Applying to real-world, less extreme examples here, I think people often experience emotions and feelings or behave in ways that they don't have the ability to articulate or understand.

[nekhbet]

I've always thought it's very intentional how he contradicts himself all the time. He doesn't have a clue himself and picks whichever option sounds better for his current situation and offers a better explanation for Hawke.

[Amondra]

purplecookie wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well I never quite got the impression Anders actually had concrete answers. He deflected some questions, had guesses for others, expressed outright denial at times, and even simply hoped for the best or retreated to his cause.

I mean, his persistent lack of coherence on the subject had me smelling a rat the second he confidently proposed the whole potion trick in Act 3.

But I'm near certain this was intentionally done. I don't think Anders should really have the capability or the perspective necessary to explain what is truly going on in his own head.

Agreed. Applying to real-world, less extreme examples here, I think people often experience emotions and feelings or behave in ways that they don't have the ability to articulate or understand.

*Is bi-polar* Oh I know that boat >_> I can never trust what I am feeling is justified or me swinging from the emotion tree.  Also makes my actions less trust worthy.  It is a maddening place to be, also like being on the outside looking in.

[Threeparts]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well I never quite got the impression Anders actually had concrete answers. He deflected some questions, had guesses for others, expressed outright denial at times, and even simply hoped for the best or retreated to his cause.

I mean, his persistent lack of coherence on the subject had me smelling a rat the second he confidently proposed the whole potion trick in Act 3.

But I'm near certain this was intentionally done. I don't think Anders should really have the capability to or the perspective necessary to explain what is truly going on in his own head.

The biggest dissatisfaction I have with it begins with his Act I statement of "he is no longer my friend Justice. He is a force of vengeance. And he has no grasp of mercy" where he clearly acknowleges that Justice doesn't exist anymore, and the replacement is not exactly a positive force. He also states that no one could say where he ends and the spirit begins, something that is echoed in Act III, when he says that he took a spirit into his soul and changed himself forever to achieve his ends.

And yet, in following conversations he goes back to speaking of the spirit as Justice, speaking of it as a seperate consciousness ("Justice does not approve"), and acting upon impulses prompted by the spirit.
This could, of course, just be the insidious effect that the spirit is having on him - leaving him unaware of which choices he is making on his own - but it's also frustrating to decipher his motivations and condition.

I don't want to have a clear-cut map of, "this decision was Anders, this was Justice's, this was something they both agreed on," for every choice and feeling he has, but it does increase the difficulty of discussions.