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[Dunizel]

Camilladilla wrote...


I've been reading (and patiently waiting for an update) The Last Straw. It's an M!Hawke/Anders one where Anders is caught and made Tranquil and Hawke gets to a point where he is going to make everything suck for everyone in Kirkwall.

It makes my heart ache.

It's also writen in Templar!Carvar's PoV, which is neat.

I also want to add my adoration for that author. I was so very happy to find her journal, so I could read her fics all in one piece...I remember whan I was killing my F5 button to get updates of Window of Opportunity. 
Red Queen was another extremely good one. 


About the DLC, I have only a comment...MEH.
When I saw the link I was hoping for some gap filler dlc, some companion dlc...anything but that. >.>

Hm, ToP edit...I'm lucky this showed up in my watchlist.

by carrotcakebandit 

Modifié par Dunizel, 26 avril 2011 - 06:05 .

[Inzhuna]

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

[cmessaz]

Inzhuna wrote...

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

D: *goes in game to see*

[Mistress Tasharra]

Inzhuna wrote...

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

Curiouser and curiouser.

Just more proof Hawke is exactly like his/her mother.

*Nods*

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Inzhuna wrote...

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

Codex entry? WHERE!?!?

[Frishmet]

MorningBird wrote...

To be honest, I've never really understood the immense hate for Alistair during the Landsmeet. Granted, I never romanced the guy, but my Wardens were almost always bbf's with him, and my canon play-through is one where my Warden recruited Loghain and stuck Alistair and Anora on the throne to joint rule.

Alistair's reaction to me was very... real. Let's face it, there are some things you just can't 'talk' people out of. In Alistair's case, he was far too hysterical to see 'reason' during the Landsmeet, but he does comes around eventually. Albeit, too late to make an impact on the Blight, but it's hard to gauge how long it 'should' take someone to get over the deaths of his brothers and sisters in arms.

At least in my end game, Alistair apologized for breaking down. Don't remember his exact words, but he pretty much admitted that he was having 'issues' and that he still wanted to be friends, if at all possible.

PS:  ANDERS ANDERS ANDERS.

My cannon was as an elf mage and after just coming off the quest where Loghain was selling off elves to slavers on top of him having a hand in Uldred's mess at the mage tower and using Jowan...  There was no way my warden was going to give him a pass either. She would have had a bigger hissy fit than Alistair.   And remember that at this point in the game they didn't know it had to be a warden that killed the arch demon. 

@cmessaz  regarding the F!Hawk vs. M!Hawk.  I have to add to the "it's all good" choir.  I personally like the F!Hawk because I just feel weird about playing a male character. So the F!Hawk/Anders pairing is more like my own cannon. But I love to see all the M!Hawk pairings here and the pics are awesome - for one thing the male Hawks are so incredibly smexy!

[Inzhuna]

For folks who are interested:

"Malcolm never told his wife or young children where he was from; it was a bloody tale that forever gave him nightmares. When their love was still fresh, Leandra once pressed him on the subject. All he would say is, "Freedom's price is never cheap, but that was a hundred leagues and a lifetime ago". His haunted gaze lingered on his favourite boots, and he would say no more."

[Sialater]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

Curiouser and curiouser.

Just more proof Hawke is exactly like his/her mother.

*Nods*

Bite your tongue.  I did not get a nice Leandra for my Hawke's.  If you play serious or snarky Hawke, she's a manipulative ****.

But I can just imagine my Hawkes' horror over their respective LI's accusations:  You're just like your mother!

[Inzhuna]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...
Curiouser and curiouser.

Just more proof Hawke is exactly like his/her mother.

*Nods*

I so wanted for Hawke to be able to talk to Leandra about LI. Seriously, in romance with Anders, Hawke is so repeating history. I'd love to hear what Mama Hawke would have to say.

[Jean]

www.youtube.com/watch

Sorry if this was already posted

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sialater wrote...

Bite your tongue.  I did not get a nice Leandra for my Hawke's.  If you play serious or snarky Hawke, she's a manipulative ****.

But I can just imagine my Hawkes' horror over their respective LI's accusations:  You're just like your mother!

So... Hawke's personality affects Leandra?
Epic. Goodbye diplomacy! Helloooo snark!

Inzhuna wrote...

For folks who are interested:

"Malcolm never told his wife or young children where he was from; it was a bloody tale that forever gave him nightmares. When their love was still fresh, Leandra once pressed him on the subject. All he would say is, "Freedom's price is never cheap, but that was a hundred leagues and a lifetime ago". His haunted gaze lingered on his favourite boots, and he would say no more."

ILU Inzhuna<3

[Mistress Tasharra]

Sialater wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

Soo that codex entry about Malcolm is intriguing. Also, it sheds a new light on Bethany saying Anders reminded her of Father. It appears Malcolm has done something horrible on his way to freedom and it somehow involved his boots? O_o

Curiouser and curiouser.

Just more proof Hawke is exactly like his/her mother.

*Nods*

Bite your tongue.  I did not get a nice Leandra for my Hawke's.  If you play serious or snarky Hawke, she's a manipulative ****.

But I can just imagine my Hawkes' horror over their respective LI's accusations:  You're just like your mother!

Hmmm. My favourite Hawke is Snarky!Hawke, but I never really noticed the manipulative **** aspect of Leandra you mention.

Maybe I'm just blind in the matters of love and family?

[Inzhuna]

Sialater wrote...

Bite your tongue.  I did not get a nice Leandra for my Hawke's.  If you play serious or snarky Hawke, she's a manipulative ****.

But I can just imagine my Hawkes' horror over their respective LI's accusations:  You're just like your mother!

How? When I played an aggressive Hawke I was being such a jerkass to Leandra, and she NEVER called Hawke out on it. Just kept being nice and loving. It made me feel horrible.

[Kawamura]

Inzhuna wrote...

For folks who are interested:

"Malcolm never told his wife or young children where he was from; it was a bloody tale that forever gave him nightmares. When their love was still fresh, Leandra once pressed him on the subject. All he would say is, "Freedom's price is never cheap, but that was a hundred leagues and a lifetime ago". His haunted gaze lingered on his favourite boots, and he would say no more."

Eeheheheheheheh.

That just makes my head canon that Papa Hawke taught eldest Hawke Bad Things all the stronger.

also daddy issues, weee!

[Camilladilla]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Hmmm. My favourite Hawke is Snarky!Hawke, but I never really noticed the manipulative **** aspect of Leandra you mention.

Maybe I'm just blind in the matters of love and family?

Hrmmm, yeah I did a combo of snark+diplomacy with Leandra and never noticed it ether. Though to be fair, even if she was manipulative, well, she had to find SOMEWAY to deal with her kid.

[YamiSnuffles]

Inzhuna wrote...

For folks who are interested:

"Malcolm never told his wife or young children where he was from; it was a bloody tale that forever gave him nightmares. When their love was still fresh, Leandra once pressed him on the subject. All he would say is, "Freedom's price is never cheap, but that was a hundred leagues and a lifetime ago". His haunted gaze lingered on his favourite boots, and he would say no more."

Oh! Intriguing. Although, is it wrong that the thing that made me think most of Anders is the "favourite boots" bit? I think I may be too obsessed with that man's boots.

Wait. Pfft. As if there was such a thing as too obsessed when it comes to those sexy boots. What am I saying?

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 26 avril 2011 - 06:16 .

[Raelis27]

highcastle wrote...

I think it's interesting to hear Ms. Hepler's take on Anders on both a rival and friendship path. The moment I read her post about mental illness, my mind immediately went to bipolar disorder. It runs in my family, I have a lot of experience dealing with it, and Anders hit a few warning bells during my first playthrough (it's the pillow moment; I've been in this situation in real life and it was a clear indicator of bad things on the horizon for me).

What I find disappointing though is that she seems to view the rivalry path as the only way to help Anders regain control of himself. Or really, not so much the rivalry path in general, but the way it's handled in this game. I really don't agree with the Circle or sending mages there. Yes, there are valid reasons for it. But in this game, what we see and hear of the Circle, and playing as an apostate who is also the son of an apostate, I'm not comfortable with the Circle as an institution. So I tried rivaling Anders without sending mages to the Circle, mostly by telling him I think he took a big risk in taking Justice into him. This works, but Anders still assumes you're pro-templars.

And here we hit upon the limitations of the friendship/rivalry scale. It's 2 dimensional. It cannot account for the wide array of responses you could take to someone like Anders. And that's disappointing to me because I don't think Anders is completely crazy. I don't think his cause is crazy, just some of his methods. Now the fact that rivaling him seems to get the stamp of approval from his writer concerns me that siding with the templars is also viewed as the "correct" answer or even the more moral one. I'm having a hard time reconciling that with what we see in the game.

Yes, there are blood mages in Kirkwall. But there are also templars who rape mages, who rob them of their minds, and who kill them without thought. Cullen refuses to see mages as humans or elves in the beginning of the game. He basically calls them subhuman. I know the mages don't make a great case for themselves, but I truly believe the actions of a few shouldn't color an entire people.

I'm wandering off-topic here. I guess the point I'm trying to make is twofold: 1) it's sad that rivaling Anders means he assumes you're pro-templar; it would be nice to see him reacting just to your condemnation of Justice and not to mages as a whole, and 2) it's a little scary to think siding with the templars might be the more morally just stance. I might be reading too much into this. It's quite possible I am. This is what studying Lit does to you.

I just want to say big fat WORD to this, especially to the bolded. This is my biggest problem with this game. I'm not really fond of the way the friendship/rivalry system is implemented. But what I find even more strange is that we're kind of pushed by the writers toward the Templar ending as the one with the moral high ground.There should be no "correct" or more moral way to play it because it's all down to the player's individual perception.

Now me, I/m one of those people who dissapprove of Ander's merge with Justice. I disagree with his extremist methods and I don't want him to believe that everything he did was completely justified. But at the same time I loathe the institution that steals children away from their families and brainwashes them into believing they're evil, cursed children of the Maker, etc.

Why is this game so black and white? Judging by everyone's reviews, I was led to believe it was all about shades of grey. But honestly, this doesn't seem to be the case even though the game does a good job masquerading as a "shades of grey" story. Anders can onlly feel remorse for the murder of innocents if we side with the Templars. Almost every damn mage is a blood mage, which proves that Meredith is right about them. Agreeing to annul the Circle and keep the mages imprisoned leads to less deaths overall. The main anti-mage guy in this game is a hell of a lot more reasonable than the pro-mage activist, and a romance with him can actually have a happy ending (I still prefer Anders by far, mind you). I just can't help but feel that the pro-Templar players are rewarded more in the course of the game. It's like, the writers wanted to balance the scale because they knew everyone already sympathized with the mages too much, but they went way too far depicting mages as villains. It doesn't seem all that balanced. Which resukts in players in various threads saying things likie, "Sure, there are evil rapist Templars, but keeping the mages imprisoned keeps everyone else safe, so a few mage sacrifices are not that big a price".

I want to rivalmance Anders because it suits me more, and I want him to fight Justice because I don't want to lose Anders completely to a demon. But why can't I be a mage supporter as well? Or, if I'm a mage supporter, why does the game assume I'm OK with Anders' obsession and bad choices?

Sorry for the rant. It's a bit of a sore spot for me.

[cmessaz]

And the female versions:





:3 OMG, that stuff about Malcolm and Leandra... Like how Gamlen says "you are your mother's daughter/son" when speaking about Anders moving into Hawke estate.

Modifié par cmessaz, 26 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[highcastle]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who'll be making a new character for this DLC. If I'm not alone, I totally don't have a problem. Plus, yay for more mage robes that don't actually look like robes!

And if we're coming up with more song suggestions, may I recommend Spokes' "We Can Make It Out"? I think it'd work for a post-game scenario with Hawke and Anders running off together.

[Ryzaki]

Inzhuna wrote...

For folks who are interested:

"Malcolm never told his wife or young children where he was from; it was a bloody tale that forever gave him nightmares. When their love was still fresh, Leandra once pressed him on the subject. All he would say is, "Freedom's price is never cheap, but that was a hundred leagues and a lifetime ago". His haunted gaze lingered on his favourite boots, and he would say no more."

D: 

And since he's dead we can't wring it out of him! Blast!  

But...wasn't he from Kirkwall? I mean the templar (Ser Maver? Carver released him from the Kirkwall Circle and thats where he and Leandra met right? (Kirkwall not the circle there). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 avril 2011 - 06:22 .

[Amondra]

cmessaz wrote...




And the female versions:





:3 OMG, that stuff about Malcolm and Leandra... Like how Gamlen says "you are your mother's daughter/son" when speaking about Anders moving into Hawke estate.

What mod is that?

[Mistress Tasharra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Hmmm. My favourite Hawke is Snarky!Hawke, but I never really noticed the manipulative **** aspect of Leandra you mention.

Maybe I'm just blind in the matters of love and family?

Hrmmm, yeah I did a combo of snark+diplomacy with Leandra and never noticed it ether. Though to be fair, even if she was manipulative, well, she had to find SOMEWAY to deal with her kid.

Fair point considering all the **** that Hawke and co. get up too.

I have this highly entertaining screenshot of both Hawke and Leandra giving Gamlen "The Glare". Lemme see if I can find it..



Nothing alike.

[highcastle]

Amondra wrote...

What mod is that?

No mod, new DLC! *


*I'm OK with the fact my excitement means I've likely sold my soul to BioWare. Pretty sure it happened sometime after BG2 came out.