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[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
How many spells do they know anyway? They've no tactical experience, and they're panicing. (I doubt they had that much time)
I'm surprised Meredith allowed them to learn offensive spells! ("What use would they have for them?")

They've not tactical experience yet Orsino can lead a bunch of Qunari around without breaking a sweat? Sure I doubt most of them have it. But Orsino who claims to be their leader does. If nothing else he should've suggested spamming spells at the chokepoint. (And it happens again in the gallows.  It's worse then because it's an even smaller chokepoint.) 

I'm a bit surprised they knew offensive spells as well but they do. Then again they still might be needed incase a war with the Qunari came up so them knowing attack spells isn't that surprising considering the Qunari were parked in Kirkwall for 4 years. 

bleetman wrote...

I try to pretend that cutscene doesn't exist, for various reasons. Aside from the kinds of things coming up here, where the bloody heck do all those templars go afterwards, anyway? Once Tempalr Supporter Hawke appears, the place is bizarrely void of them.

Yeah that's...kind of off. Not to mention the room filled with enchanted templars. How the heck did that happen? And where did the rest of them go? Templar Hawke should've been getting backup the whole time. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 avril 2011 - 01:25 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
And where would they get traps, may I ask?
They've been isolated from the world for Maker knows how long, and you really think Meredith allows any opportunities for the mages to get their hands on traps?

Hello Paralysis Glyph! That's is what one would usually consider a trap.  

Meredith banned that spell. Every offensive/defensive spell they learnt, they learnt it in secret by smuggling text books via the Coterie.
(It's the most logical explanation)

Incidentally, have you ever accidentally combined Glyph of Paralysis and Glyph of Repulsion?

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Meredith banned that spell. Every offensive/defensive spell they learnt, they learnt it in secret by smuggling text books via the Coterie.
(It's the most logical explanation)

Incidentally, have you ever accidentally combined Glyph of Paralysis and Glyph of Repulsion?

Hm. Perhaps. Grace does talk about them taking away their grimoires and staffs. (But somehow every mage you meet still has one.  The staff not the grimoire.) 

Does it still make that mass paralysis spell? I haven't tried it because I assumed it wouldn't work. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
How many spells do they know anyway? They've no tactical experience, and they're panicing. (I doubt they had that much time)
I'm surprised Meredith allowed them to learn offensive spells! ("What use would they have for them?")

They've not tactical experience yet Orsino can lead a bunch of Qunari around without breaking a sweat? Sure I doubt most of them have it. But Orsino who claims to be their leader does. If nothing else he should've suggested spamming spells at the chokepoint. (And it happens again in the gallows.  It's worse then because it's an even smaller chokepoint.) 

I'm a bit surprised they knew offensive spells as well but they do. Then again they still might be needed incase a war with the Qunari came up so them knowing attack spells isn't that surprising considering the Qunari were parked in Kirkwall for 4 years. 

You mean the same Orsino who decided that the entire resistance was futile and turned himself into a mother****ing Harvester!?!
Sure. He was veeeery helpful.

That's a fair theory, I suppose.

bleetman wrote...

I try to pretend that cutscene doesn't exist, for various reasons. Aside from the kinds of things coming up here, where the bloody heck do all those templars go afterwards, anyway? Once Tempalr Supporter Hawke appears, the place is bizarrely void of them.

Yeah that's...kind of off. Not to mention the room filled with enchanted templars. How the heck did that happen? And where did the rest of them go? Templar Hawke should've been getting backup the whole time. 

Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

As for the vanishing army: Enchantment!

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 29 avril 2011 - 01:33 .

[nekhbet]

GailRana wrote...

that pic still kills me every time

Slamming-to-the-wall more your kinda thing, maybe? Here. The thread could use some more of this, too.



Sandara (since I actually know the author of this...)

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Does it still make that mass paralysis spell? I haven't tried it because I assumed it wouldn't work. 

I don't think so no.

I only discovered that combo in the fight with the Archdemon. I had nearly won. Just one more blow...
And then Wynne cast her Glyph of Paralysis at the same time as I cast Repulsion and it paralysed everything except the Archdemon.

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 29 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
You mean the same Orsino who decided that the entire resistance was futile and turned himself into a mother****ing Harvester!?!
Sure. He was veeeery helpful.

I thought that only happened after he saw his students getting slaughtered by the dozen. (which again is retarded because all of them save one survived by the time I was done killing the templars yet magically they all drop dead. >_> ) 

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

As for the vanishing army: Enchantment!

Bah. But you get backup earlier.  Which only makes it look worse in hindsight really. 

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
I don't think so no.

I only discovered that combo in the fight with the Archdemon. I had nearly won. Just one more blow...
And then I Wynne cast her Glyph of Paralysis at the same time as I cast Repulsion and it paralysed everything except the Archdemon.

 

I don't mind to laugh at your pain. But...lmao. 

I was lucky enough to discover that combo when my mage was far enough away not to get affected.  

ipgd wrote...

The circle mages aren't carting around wagons of lyrium to power their spells, so yes, blood magic is the only option they have for fueling the spells that are likely to save their lives.

 

This is a fair point. Though I wonder how long the RoA took. And how often a mage needs to use lyrium to replenish mana reserves (without the arbitary limit the companions and Hawke get due to game mechancis) 

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Game mechanics are necessary in order for a game to work. There can't be enemies out there that your mage hawke isn't able to damage, because that would lessen the awesomeness of said Hawke.

Well, the necessity of blood magic IS reflected in one game mechanic.

In the end-game fight with Meredith, she does this ridiculously annoying thing in which she completely depletes the stamina and mana bars of your entire party.  Guess who's the only person largely unaffected by her BS?  Blood mage Hawke and Merrill.

Yeah...that makes no sense. Why does she reduce STAMINA? That's not magic! You can't magically take away someone's stamina! (well unless you're using magic and that's not what Meredith did). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 avril 2011 - 01:39 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
I don't think so no.

I only discovered that combo in the fight with the Archdemon. I had nearly won. Just one more blow...
And then I Wynne cast her Glyph of Paralysis at the same time as I cast Repulsion and it paralysed everything except the Archdemon.

 

I don't mind to laugh at your pain. But...lmao. 

I was lucky enough to discover that combo when my mage was far enough away not to get affected.  

Well, after it was dead I saw the funny side... but still... the agonised screams lingered for hours... <_<

[bleetman]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

Templar hunters give me the willies. Otherwise, yes.

Still, it'd be nice to actually see them there. Fill the room with mages and templars and let them battle it out. Actually make the Annulement seem dramatic and bloody. And throw in your spare companions! Why am I instructing them to keep close or cover us, when they don't bloody show up anyway?

Oh, DA2 ending. How you irk me so.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
You mean the same Orsino who decided that the entire resistance was futile and turned himself into a mother****ing Harvester!?!
Sure. He was veeeery helpful.

I thought that only happened after he saw his students getting slaughtered by the dozen. (which again is retarded because all of them save one survived by the time I was done killing the templars yet magically they all drop dead. >_> ) 

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

As for the vanishing army: Enchantment!

Bah. But you get backup earlier.  Which only makes it look worse in hindsight really. 

1) Plot holes.
2) Enchantment.

Take your pick.

[Ryzaki]

bleetman wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

Templar hunters give me the willies. Otherwise, yes.

Still, it'd be nice to actually see them there. Fill the room with mages and templars and let them battle it out. Actually make the Annulement seem dramatic and bloody. And throw in your spare companions! Why am I instructing them to keep close or cover us, when they don't bloody show up anyway?

Oh, DA2 ending. How you irk me so.

QFT at the bolded. So much stuff not making sense. Like why is Pro-Templar Hawke who sided with Meredith from the jump, had his sister die in the deep roads and isn't a mage is put under arrest. What kind of sense does that make? I mean...I can understand MEREDITH but why the hell do the other templars go along with it in that case?

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

1) Plot holes.
2) Enchantment.

Take your pick.

I can't pick both? 
 
And on another note. Why on earth are all these shades and demons popping up during the RoA yet none of them appear when I'm slaughtering those fool bloodmages and idiot thugs from previous acts? (and a few in act 3)? 

Bah. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 avril 2011 - 01:45 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Hawke? With backup!? You're kidding right?
If DA2 should have taught you anything it's that: Templars are useless.

Templar hunters give me the willies. Otherwise, yes.

Still, it'd be nice to actually see them there. Fill the room with mages and templars and let them battle it out. Actually make the Annulement seem dramatic and bloody. And throw in your spare companions! Why am I instructing them to keep close or cover us, when they don't bloody show up anyway?

Oh, DA2 ending. How you irk me so.

QFT at the bolded. So much stuff not making sense. Like why is Pro-Templar Hawke who sided with Meredith from the jump, had his sister die in the deep roads and isn't a mage is put under arrest. What kind of sense does that make? I mean...I can understand MEREDITH but why the hell do the other templars go along with it in that case?

Because they're templars. They have lyrium for brains.
Also because Meredith is a blood mage. Yeah.
Because Meredith is crazy and controls their paycheck.

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

1) Plot holes.
2) Enchantment.

Take your pick.

I can't pick both? 
 
And on another note. Why on earth are all these shades and demons popping up during the RoA yet none of them appear when I'm slaughtering those fool bloodmages and idiot thugs from previous acts? (and a few in act 3)? 

Bah. 

Because Plot Hole Enchantment.

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Because they're templars. They have lyrium for brains.
Also because Meredith is a blood mage. Yeah.
Because Meredith is crazy and controls their paycheck.

 Lyrium for brains indeed. 

I just don't understand why Meredith has any reason to fear Rogue/Warrior Hawke at that point. You might have no mage companions (you can kill off Anders and Merrill by then), you sis was never in the circle/wardens, you've shown your support for her from the jump. I...just don't understand.  I mean yeah lyrium idol but damnit I'm sick of that being used to explain everything she does! 

If Warrior/Rogue Hawke had questioned her I'd understand...but you don't have too. You can go along with everything she's saying and she still turns on you. 

Granted Orsino does the same thing (but he at least has the hopeless desperation bit going for him). 

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Because Plot Hole Enchantment.

D: 

That does explain why none of the mages try using Electric spells on the Templars. Shouldn't those heavy suits of armor conduct electricity? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 avril 2011 - 01:58 .

[Heidenreich]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Man, I miss Mouse. He was the most awesome demon ever, and we never saw him again.

I miss him too. ;3;
I remember being quite upset that he never made a reappearance. (That we know of.)
So upset, in fact, that I put him in a blender with Tom Waits, and made a roleplaying character out of the resulting mess.

I know. 
I want him to return so that my Surana can make a deal with him and they can become a kickass Anders/Justice/Flemeth(?) style Pride-Abomination together!

Don't ask me why. I don't even know if that's possible...

...how did that work out?

Mouse does make a reapearence, though. He is the one who teaches you how to become a mouse when you go into the Fade durring the Circle questline ;p He's dieing because as powerful as he may have been, the sloth demon is actually more powerful. If you remember, the sloth demon that helps you in the mage-origin is the -same- sloth that traps you in the fade later on. <3

[Dunizel]

nekhbet wrote...

GailRana wrote...

that pic still kills me every time

Slamming-to-the-wall more your kinda thing, maybe? Here. The thread could use some more of this, too.


Sandara (since I actually know the author of this...)

!!!
Sandara was one of my fav authors even before DA2 art came out  I adore that gallery...and the tutorials too, they were really really helpful!

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Because they're templars. They have lyrium for brains.
Also because Meredith is a blood mage. Yeah.
Because Meredith is crazy and controls their paycheck.

 Lyrium for brains indeed. 

I just don't understand why Meredith has any reason to fear Rogue/Warrior Hawke at that point. You might have no mage companions (you can kill off Anders and Merrill by then), you sis was never in the circle/wardens, you've shown your support for her from the jump. I...just don't understand.  I mean yeah lyrium idol but damnit I'm sick of that being used to explain everything she does! 

If Warrior/Rogue Hawke had questioned her I'd understand...but you don't have too. You can go along with everything she's saying and she still turns on you. 

Granted Orsino does the same thing (but he at least has the hopeless desperation bit going for him). 

Because you're obviously a blood mage in disguise!

BLOOD MAGIC IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!

(If Meredith had survived, she'd brobably murder everybody, claimin they were a blood mage, and then after all of Kirkwall was dead, she'd decide she must be under control of blood-magic and kill herself.)

I don't think she's dead.
I think she'll be back in DA3 as a glowing red lyrium statue. (Just watch... <_<)

[YamiSnuffles]

How about because Meredith is completely power hungry? She is in control of the city. The viscount didn't dare go against anything she wanted nor did Elthina. Hawke is beloved and gaining power very quickly. Thus, Hawke is a threat to her grip on Kirkwall. So she tries to take Hawke out and the Templars could go along with it because... why not? It's not like this is the first absurd thing she's done and they've never had a problem with blindly following her before.

[bleetman]

Heidenreich wrote...

Mouse does make a reapearence, though. He is the one who teaches you how to become a mouse when you go into the Fade durring the Circle questline ;p He's dieing because as powerful as he may have been, the sloth demon is actually more powerful. If you remember, the sloth demon that helps you in the mage-origin is the -same- sloth that traps you in the fade later on. <3

I don't think that's supposed to be the same one. Pride Demons are pretty high up on the heirachy of demonic ass whoopery, more so than Sloth.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 avril 2011 - 02:03 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Heidenreich wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Man, I miss Mouse. He was the most awesome demon ever, and we never saw him again.

I miss him too. ;3;
I remember being quite upset that he never made a reappearance. (That we know of.)
So upset, in fact, that I put him in a blender with Tom Waits, and made a roleplaying character out of the resulting mess.

I know. 
I want him to return so that my Surana can make a deal with him and they can become a kickass Anders/Justice/Flemeth(?) style Pride-Abomination together!

Don't ask me why. I don't even know if that's possible...

...how did that work out?

Mouse does make a reapearence, though. He is the one who teaches you how to become a mouse when you go into the Fade durring the Circle questline ;p He's dieing because as powerful as he may have been, the sloth demon is actually more powerful. If you remember, the sloth demon that helps you in the mage-origin is the -same- sloth that traps you in the fade later on. <3

...I think I blocked that out.

OH MY GOD, MOUSE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I'm going to go back to pretending that never happened so that I can turn my Surana into an abomination with him.

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Because you're obviously a blood mage in disguise!

BLOOD MAGIC IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!

(If Meredith had survived, she'd brobably murder everybody, claimin they were a blood mage, and then after all of Kirkwall was dead, she'd decide she must be under control of blood-magic and kill herself.)

I don't think she's dead.
I think she'll be back in DA3 as a glowing red lyrium statue. (Just watch... <_<)

XD 

I think she's pretty dead. I mean...she tried to do a one winged angel transformation...just didn't work out. Plus how much damage could she do without the idol? (Oh please don't tell me people picked up the shards and started going crazy from them...) 

YamiSnuffles wrote...

How about because Meredith is completely power hungry? She is in control of the city. The viscount didn't dare go against anything she wanted nor did Elthina. Hawke is beloved and gaining power very quickly. Thus, Hawke is a threat to her grip on Kirkwall. So she tries to take Hawke out and the Templars could go along with it because... why not? It's not like this is the first absurd thing she's done and they've never had a problem with blindly following her before.

This I can see. She decided to backstab a Hawke that backed her up because she didn't want him/her gaining control of the city. Makes sense and doesn't rely on the idol or insanity to explain it. Thanks YamiSnuffles. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Shouldn't those heavy suits of armor conduct electricity? 

http://t0.gstatic.co...5EZlwYjSPfgN5xW

[YamiSnuffles]

Oh man, now I am just imagining people selling off bits of idol!Meredith and selling them as souvenirs or something. This is will be the start of DA3. Just watch.

EDIT: On a completely unrelated note, watching Pirates of the Caribbean 3 right now. CRAZY PIRATE WEDDING GOING DOWN NOW!!!

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 29 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Shouldn't those heavy suits of armor conduct electricity? 

http://t0.gstatic.co...5EZlwYjSPfgN5xW

 

You didn't need to use the Arishok to say so! I admit my knowledge of what conducts electricity is iffy but I could've sworn most metals could do so! 

Edit: And I have a really weird bug. there's this random templar dude praying in the gallows after I spare the mages that run up to Hawke. He's just...praying for some reason and I can't interact with him or anything but when I go into the room with the enchanted mages he up and attacks me. <_< WTF? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 avril 2011 - 02:09 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Because you're obviously a blood mage in disguise!

BLOOD MAGIC IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!

(If Meredith had survived, she'd brobably murder everybody, claimin they were a blood mage, and then after all of Kirkwall was dead, she'd decide she must be under control of blood-magic and kill herself.)

I don't think she's dead.
I think she'll be back in DA3 as a glowing red lyrium statue. (Just watch... <_<)

XD 

I think she's pretty dead. I mean...she tried to do a one winged angel transformation...just didn't work out. Plus how much damage could she do without the idol? (Oh please don't tell me people picked up the shards and started going crazy from them...) 

She probably is the idol now.
Never ever underestimate Bioware and what they are willing to do to make you scream and cry (from misery, frustration, sheer WTFISGOINGONNOW!?!?...)

[TripLight]

@Heidenreich, are you sure? He had a completely different voice actor as well.

Mouse/Pride Demon IMO, gave the best advice in both games so far, and yes I think he trumps Flemeth's as well. Plus he's a BAMF simply because of the voice he says those lines in as well. Valor is up there as well, just less a prig, lol.