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[MG800]

AerdrieDarkmoon wrote...

Playing through Awakenings, after an Amell in Origins, doing a proper port and all, ran into Constable Aiden in Amaranthine. Well hello there rougher sounding Anders. Probably mentioned earlier but still excited anyway.

(gobbles on drawn Anders nose *nom nom*. Too bad though, loved Alistair's too, but DA2 Alistair... wishes there was a mod for a DA2 Alistair to look more like Origins).

It is ! And for Teagan too! 
http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2422
and Teagan fix: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2272

There are some others, but I think these are the best

Modifié par MG800, 29 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[Sialater]

Threeparts wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Okay, so speaking of the Fade and demons and such, do you think that Feynriel would be able to help Anders with Justice? Not that he would be able to separate the two, but could he maybe do something else? Since Dreamers are able to enter and change the Fade at will, it seems like he would be able to do something. Maybe he would at least be able to do something to purify Vengeance and turn him into Justice again.

I dunno. Just my speculative rambling mostly.

I'm not sure he could, since Vengeance is physically inside of Anders at this point. I believe that it took over in Night Terrors simply because in the Fade, its "birthplace", Vengeance's consciousness is stronger than Anders'.
Given that it appeared in Anders' form rather than as a spirit or demon in its own right, I think it's an indication that they think of themselves as one being or have merged so far as to find it hard to distinguish the two selves.
Trying to manipulate or cleanse that would, to me, be akin to trying to... remove a brain tumour, maybe. Possible, perhaps, but incredibly delicate work with potentially horrible consequences if you slip up.

I would think that the best course of Fade-related action is take a hands-off approach. Vengeance was short with us in Feynriel's quest because it felt we should be "focusing on the task at hand" (maker, how I hate that line) rather than chatting, but if we could get someone in there to just talk to it (hopefully the Warden, given how aces our Wardens were with Intimidate/Persuade checks), and maybe show it how much it has been warped and is breaking the person who was its friend, there might be a slim chance we could somehow get it to listen to reason.

Yes, I'm suggesting therapy for the Fade demon. Shut up. 

Considering I'm trying to find out how to get Moira Surana in there to "fix" the situation, I agree with you. 

[YamiSnuffles]

I agree with the therapy for Vengeance idea. That's about all I can see Hawke doing on his/her own.

However, if there is anyone who could remove spiritual tumors, as it were, I would think it would be a trained Feynriel. Even before he gets any sort of training on his new Dreamer abilities, he says something along the lines of being able to see all the threads and seems of the Fade. He seems to have a much more complete and precise control over the parts of the Fade than other mages.

But again, we don't know much about his powers yet. The possibilities of what he could do interest me though.

[MG800]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm not sure he could, since Vengeance is physically inside of Anders at this point. I believe that it took over in Night Terrors simply because in the Fade, its "birthplace", Vengeance's consciousness is stronger than Anders'.
Given that it appeared in Anders' form rather than as a spirit or demon in its own right, I think it's an indication that they think of themselves as one being or have merged so far as to find it hard to distinguish the two selves.
Trying to manipulate or cleanse that would, to me, be akin to trying to... remove a brain tumour, maybe. Possible, perhaps, but incredibly delicate work with potentially horrible consequences if you slip up.

I would think that the best course of Fade-related action is take a hands-off approach. Vengeance was short with us in Feynriel's quest because it felt we should be "focusing on the task at hand" (maker, how I hate that line) rather than chatting, but if we could get someone in there to just talk to it (hopefully the Warden, given how aces our Wardens were with Intimidate/Persuade checks), and maybe show it how much it has been warped and is breaking the person who was its friend, there might be a slim chance we could somehow get it to listen to reason.

Yes, I'm suggesting therapy for the Fade demon. Shut up. 

Can't see why not - If we can't drive him out, we can at least reason with him. If he can listen, that is.
Yeah, 'cancer'.
The problem with Anders is, that we'll never know how to treat him and Justice - as a one person, or as a two seperate beings. He claims he's one with Justice - on rival path Justice claims the same - how true is that, we see, but we can't tell how merged they're, or if we should encourage him to fight with it, or swallow it like a bitter pill.

Modifié par MG800, 29 avril 2011 - 02:55 .

[DragonRacer]

Threeparts wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Okay, so speaking of the Fade and demons and such, do you think that Feynriel would be able to help Anders with Justice? Not that he would be able to separate the two, but could he maybe do something else? Since Dreamers are able to enter and change the Fade at will, it seems like he would be able to do something. Maybe he would at least be able to do something to purify Vengeance and turn him into Justice again.

I dunno. Just my speculative rambling mostly.

I'm not sure he could, since Vengeance is physically inside of Anders at this point. I believe that it took over in Night Terrors simply because in the Fade, its "birthplace", Vengeance's consciousness is stronger than Anders'.
Given that it appeared in Anders' form rather than as a spirit or demon in its own right, I think it's an indication that they think of themselves as one being or have merged so far as to find it hard to distinguish the two selves.
Trying to manipulate or cleanse that would, to me, be akin to trying to... remove a brain tumour, maybe. Possible, perhaps, but incredibly delicate work with potentially horrible consequences if you slip up.

I would think that the best course of Fade-related action is take a hands-off approach. Vengeance was short with us in Feynriel's quest because it felt we should be "focusing on the task at hand" (maker, how I hate that line) rather than chatting, but if we could get someone in there to just talk to it (hopefully the Warden, given how aces our Wardens were with Intimidate/Persuade checks), and maybe show it how much it has been warped and is breaking the person who was its friend, there might be a slim chance we could somehow get it to listen to reason.

Yes, I'm suggesting therapy for the Fade demon. Shut up. 

OMG, stop channeling my brain! I'm kinda-sorta writing a one-shot crackfic that... is a bit like that, actually. Not 100% the same, but the whole idea of having a coming-to-Jesus/Andraste/Maker session with Justice to try and talk some sense into him/calm his ass down... yeah, right there with you. LOL

[Sialater]

DragonRacer wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Okay, so speaking of the Fade and demons and such, do you think that Feynriel would be able to help Anders with Justice? Not that he would be able to separate the two, but could he maybe do something else? Since Dreamers are able to enter and change the Fade at will, it seems like he would be able to do something. Maybe he would at least be able to do something to purify Vengeance and turn him into Justice again.

I dunno. Just my speculative rambling mostly.

I'm not sure he could, since Vengeance is physically inside of Anders at this point. I believe that it took over in Night Terrors simply because in the Fade, its "birthplace", Vengeance's consciousness is stronger than Anders'.
Given that it appeared in Anders' form rather than as a spirit or demon in its own right, I think it's an indication that they think of themselves as one being or have merged so far as to find it hard to distinguish the two selves.
Trying to manipulate or cleanse that would, to me, be akin to trying to... remove a brain tumour, maybe. Possible, perhaps, but incredibly delicate work with potentially horrible consequences if you slip up.

I would think that the best course of Fade-related action is take a hands-off approach. Vengeance was short with us in Feynriel's quest because it felt we should be "focusing on the task at hand" (maker, how I hate that line) rather than chatting, but if we could get someone in there to just talk to it (hopefully the Warden, given how aces our Wardens were with Intimidate/Persuade checks), and maybe show it how much it has been warped and is breaking the person who was its friend, there might be a slim chance we could somehow get it to listen to reason.

Yes, I'm suggesting therapy for the Fade demon. Shut up. 

OMG, stop channeling my brain! I'm kinda-sorta writing a one-shot crackfic that... is a bit like that, actually. Not 100% the same, but the whole idea of having a coming-to-Jesus/Andraste/Maker session with Justice to try and talk some sense into him/calm his ass down... yeah, right there with you. LOL

Anyone who posts Lucy is win.

Apparently, we all want to do the same thing.  Reason with the unreasonable.

[berelinde]

Ooh, I want to see Feynriel have a shot at unraveling Vengeance without destroying Anders.

Or failing that, therapy for Justice would work.

[highcastle]

Kolotosa wrote...

There are quite a few Alistair mods floating around, some better than others. THIS one is probably the best one I have seen, in terms of getting him back closer to what his DAO self looked like, without turning him into some Abercrombie beefcake. He is 7 years older, after all.

That's the one I'm running right now. I'm normally opposed to mods that change companions or NPCs because I think the devs designed them a certain way with a purpose. But Al just varied so much from his Origins appearance, it was rather jarring. Teagan too, so they're currently both modded in my game to bring them back a little closer to their old looks.

Of course, browsing the Nexus companion folder is an exercise in fright. Some people put crazy scary spins on some characters. I think Anders' is getting the worst treatment of the men (why do some people want to make him look about 19 when canonically he'd be at least 10 years olders, maybe more?) 

I'm torn between whether Izzy or Aveline come off worse in terms of the ladies. It bugs me to no end when people decide to change a character's race, but then there's the people who deem Aveline's too masculine and must be prettified. I thought she was plenty of pretty in the vanilla game, but she wasn't some fragile waif. Nor was she supposed to be. Sorry, I'm wandering off topic. I just happen to like tough, strong women and it bugs me when people then proclaim they don't fit into normal standards of beauty. Who cares about normal anyway?*


*certainly not the Anders thread, I think.

[YamiSnuffles]

I went to youTube and it suggested I watch Anders romance scene but with Anders modded out and replaced with Sebastian. I don't know what youtube thinks of me but that made me cry a little. No offense to Seb, but no way I want him replacing Anders.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 29 avril 2011 - 03:14 .

[Threeparts]

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

[DragonRacer]

Sialater wrote...

Anyone who posts Lucy is win.

Apparently, we all want to do the same thing.  Reason with the unreasonable.

I'm calling up Dr. Phil right now...

"Sometimes you make the right decision, sometimes you make the decision right."

"Anger is nothing more than an outward expression of hurt, fear and frustration."

"The quickest way from A to B is not always at the most feverish pace."

[Sialater]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

I don't hold Justice entirely to blame.  I'd prefer to separate them and send Justice home.  But I don't want him killed.  I did like him Awakening, though.  Maybe that's the difference?

But I don't think it's possible without destroying Anders or leaving him open to possession by something much worse.  If he's got to have a passenger, Justice is infinitely preferable in that he's utterly unique and I think he can be reasoned with.

I prefer to live with the mess we have than try to "fix it" and screw it up further.

[Mekarah]

@highcastle This, a million times. There are times when mods make sense, like with non-Alistairy Alistair, but...come on. Isabela is beautiful as it, why change her so she's a blonde white girl? Grr.

As for Anders, I love his look in DA2 (and obviously just the character in general, or I wouldn't be posting here, I gather). Why would you want to change him? Though I haven't seen to many of mods myself. But if they're just trying to make him younger then, well, that makes...no sense. Unless he was an infant in DAA and I just didn't notice. People age. Yeesh.

Also, first time poster, long time lurker (I always read at work and um, well, don't have my games at work so I was unregistered foreverrrr but no worries, obvi I got that taken care of). Just wanted to share some Anderslove with all of you. Also, I dunno if this song here is already on the playlist because this thread has 200 new pages every time I check it, but this song reminds me of Hawkeanders (I mean, if "a white blank page and a swelling rage" isn't manifesto-esque then I dunno what is) a bit so um, that is my first post offering to you.

...'eeeeeey long post got long.

[highcastle]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

I felt this way initially, and I still believe as you do that Vengeance is a bit of a puppeteer at times. But I liked him in Awakening, I don't feel he's fully responsible, not if Anders' past experiences have really shaped him as much as I believe. I truly don't think they could be seperated, though. I think they're too intwined, and I'm not sure tearing them apart would be all that healthy for Anders. It might just break him completely.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

Agreed, 100%. It's not Justice's body. When he takes over, he's removing Anders' free will and free agency. That's all kinds of disturbing to me, but maybe I've been unduly influenced by reading the Animorphs when I was a kid. For children's books, they sure painted a pretty vivid and terrifying picture of what it'd be like to be a prisoner in your own body.

Now I'm picturing Justice as a Yeerk. Thank you self, I really needed an image of a glowing blue slug in my mind.

[Mekarah]

highcastle wrote...

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

Agreed, 100%. It's not Justice's body. When he takes over, he's removing Anders' free will and free agency. That's all kinds of disturbing to me, but maybe I've been unduly influenced by reading the Animorphs when I was a kid. For children's books, they sure painted a pretty vivid and terrifying picture of what it'd be like to be a prisoner in your own body.

Now I'm picturing Justice as a Yeerk. Thank you self, I really needed an image of a glowing blue slug in my mind.

Although I agree with everything that was just said, I just have to say I love you more for bring up the Animorphs for comparison. LOVE.

[Herr Uhl]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

It seems to be less of Justice taking control and more of Anders letting him. That is how I saw it at least.

[Sialater]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

It seems to be less of Justice taking control and more of Anders letting him. That is how I saw it at least.

Sometimes, that's the case.  Not always, though, such as on the Rivalry path or during Dissent.

[YamiSnuffles]

Justice was one of my least favorite companions in Awakening, but I don't put all the blame on him. Anders was also a part of their merger and it was his hatred that corrupted Justice into Vengeance. So, while I might wish there was a way to separate them again, if I can't do that, I would rather do what I can to help both Justice and Anders.

I don't want to kill Justice. I'm sure it is terrible when Justice takes over- Anders says as much- but that also means Justice is living through something horrible.

Looking at the youtube videos of what Anders says if you betray him in the Fade, I really did feel bad for Anders but I ended up feeling just as bad for Justice. Anders says, "I don't like being a passenger in my own skin. I suppose Justice feels like that every day, shackled in my body and every decision I make. No wonder it's become a prison for him."

Part of what Anders was offering in the merger was his body. Instead of having a corpse as a body, Justice would now share a body with Anders. I don't agree to Justice just taking over but... I dunno. It feels like part of the deal. Even if Anders couldn't foresee Justice being corrupted, you'd think he'd realize he'd be sharing the body some of the time at least.

[TotoroTori]

Just runing in to say new Anders smut is up

dragonage-kink.livejournal.com/4016.html

well I have to smut bomb someone?

[highcastle]

Herr Uhl wrote...

It seems to be less of Justice taking control and more of Anders letting him. That is how I saw it at least.

Except, there are times he visibly and audibly struggle not to let Justice seize control. In Dissent, for instance, he tells Justice, "No, not here. This is their place." And then Justice proceeds to surge to the forefront anyway. You can see flashes of it elsewhere, like when Hawke first enters the clinics and Anders' eyes glow. He shakes his head and you can see him visibly attempt to regain his composure.

Plus, the short story seems to make it clear Anders doesn't always have much influence over Justice. He may very well let Justice take over in battle at times, but other times Justice forces himself on Anders (unfortunate implications intended).

[DragonRacer]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm one of those killjoys that would love to see Vengeance gone from Anders - whether purified, banished back to the Fade, or just outright killed, so suggesting that it might not be possible is heartbreaking for me.
I don't like the demon, I didn't have any sort of affection for it when it was still Justice, and I hate what it's doing to Anders. I know Anders is responsible for twisting it as well, but Vengeance is fighting back against its host, forcing him into doing things that he wouldn't otherwise choose to do and controlling his body (not just on rivalry, but during Dissent as well), so I know where my sympathies lay.

That's why it kind of freaks me out a little when people say they find glowy Anders sexy, or want to seduce Justice - in those glowy moments, Vengeance is taking over Anders, controlling him, and using him as its puppet. Anders is helpless, in a body that he can't control, and he can't give consent to anything Vengeance or another party might make him do. That is, in my mind, scary as hell. It's cool that others like it and I'm not judging, but it just hits my DNW button.

I definitely hear you. I came into the game having not played Awakening, so I'd had zero interaction with Anders or Justice. Needless to say, the Vengeance moments hit my DNW buttons, too. I understood on some level that Justice and Anders didn't merge with the intention of Justice going partially bat-guano in the process, but I still initially felt zero sympathy for Justice. Really wanted to shove him off the end of a pier or something.

But I dunno. On my third playthrough now and ruminating more on their entire situation... and I find myself feeling terribly bad for BOTH of them. They both agreed to an idea that both thought was a good idea at the time (oh, doesn't it always seem that way?) and it warped both of them as a result -- Anders is stuck with his old buddy going more and more coo coo for Cocoa Puffs and outright possessing him when things get too intense, and Justice had his once noble ideals twisted and clouded by the overwhelming power of live human emotion. I almost think Justice AND Anders exercised a bit of unfortunate arrogance or self-confidence on both their parts - Anders for thinking it could be a successful merger despite 99% of such cases resulting in abominations, and Justice for seemingly thinking that, having done so well in an undead host, transitioning to a living, breathing, feeling one would not be a Big Deal.

Wrong-o.

But yeah, I'm not hating Justice as much anymore. Just morbidly depressed for both of them, really. I'm also kind of forming an odd theory that this joining is something... rather unique. I don't think Justice, for all his Vengeance moments, has truly turned into a demon. I really don't. Not yet, at least. Is he exhibiting some frighteningly troubling behavior and tendencies? Absolutely. Have they entirely fallen off the wagon into Abomination Central? Not quite yet, I don't think. Because underneath the scary extremes they're going to, the motivation behind them still is a noble one -- freedom and justices for atrocities committed against mages. Justice, unlike a demon, is not seeking to suck Anders dry like a hunger demon or desire demon. His intentions are still pure, so to speak, even if the methods are... um, not, to say the least.

But he is certainly no longer a pure spirit either. He left that world and started down this slippery slope back when he first inhabited Kristoff's dead body.

This is all why I - in my headcanon - advocate therapy for Justice rather than outright killing him/exorcising him. Not to mention that I think either of the latter would result in permanent damage to Anders. If Justice could be reasoned with... lulled more back into his original self... he and Anders could at least have some semblance of peace with themselves. "Soothing the savage beast" and all that Beauty & the Beast gibberish.

I also admit that this frickin' amazing fanfic has not helped my budding... not love for Justice, but my movement towards acceptance and pity for him.

[Herr Uhl]

Sialater wrote...

Sometimes, that's the case.  Not always, though, such as on the Rivalry path or during Dissent.

During dissent he does let himself go, letting in to the rage. I see it as Anders leaving the reigns partly. Haven't done the rivalry path properly . There is the short story though, that is the part where I see that he forced control.

I do wonder how much of a mix they really are, as sometimes they claim to be unable to separate one and another and the next Anders talks about what Justice thinks. Uneven portrayal.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 29 avril 2011 - 03:38 .

[Threeparts]

I want to compose my thoughts before responding to your post, Yami, as I think you made some very good points regarding Vengeance's experience as a passenger.

So, in the meantime: we talked about what Pride and Desire might tempt Anders with, so what do you think they could have tried with Vengeance, if he didn't have the ability to see through them?

[Sialater]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Sometimes, that's the case.  Not always, though, such as on the Rivalry path or during Dissent.

During dissent he does let himself go, letting in to the rage. I see it as Anders leaving the reigns partly. Haven't done the rivalry path properly . There is the short story though, that is the part where I see that he forced control.

I do wonder how much of a mix they really are, as sometimes they claim to be unable to separate one and another and the next Anders talks about what Justice thinks. Uneven portrayal.

I'm not entirely sure either of them know... And I'm not convinced that Anders is correct in his diagnosis that Justice has gone demon.  If the spirit had, Anders would never regain control.  And he clearly does.  The problem is, Justice, untempered by anything else, is a highly ruthless force in and of itself.

[YamiSnuffles]

Threeparts wrote...

I want to compose my thoughts before responding to your post, Yami, as I think you made some very good points regarding Vengeance's experience as a passenger.

So, in the meantime: we talked about what Pride and Desire might tempt Anders with, so what do you think they could have tried with Vengeance, if he didn't have the ability to see through them?

For Pride, I would think it would just be more power. Not sure beyond that.

For Desire, though, I would imagine it would be tempting to have a body of his own. Not a corpse which would eventually rot away. Not a living host that can actively fight against his will. His very own body that he would always control. Vengeance- and even Justice by the end of Awakening- likes living in this world. I think if he was given the chance to stay forever in his own body, this is something he would jump at.