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[maselphie]

The thing about comparing what Anders did to real life terrorism is that ... I get the impression that the entire world of Thedas, outside of Tevinter, believes that mages should be oppressed. Outside of the Dalish and Dwarves, I feel like everyone follows the Chantry and that they all fear mages. If there are entire other continents of nothing but Qunari or something, I have missed those codex pages.

My point was, it's a bit different when it's civil war and not instigating a war with others. It's one thing to blow up the Qunari church because they hadn't left, and one thing to blow up a cotton plantation to free some slaves. They're both AWFUL and I HATE IT, but I think they're different in a way.

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Rheia1234 wrote...

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Modifié par maselphie, 21 mars 2011 - 01:46 .

[karliahs]

GailRana wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Naamah_bb I'm getting even more flak as a fan because I actually think what Anders did WAS justified in the world he was in. That's an unpopular opinion even among Anders fans. I don't condone terrorism in the modern world, but in this case I truly believe there were no other options.

I'm TOTALLY there with you. *high five*

I've been arguing with my friend all day about this, and he brings up MLK and women's right movements comparisons. Obviously, this would be terrorism in the real world, but in Thedas, it makes sense. I'm proud of Anders...there- I said it!

man, it's kind of nice to here other people say this. i was beginning to feel like a bad person for sort of being ok with it.

So was I, but then I was all like, nah, you shall not beat me! xD

[TripLight]

Zep Rowsdower wrote...

TripLight wrote...

I love this thread.

I love this thread, too. because anders is a healer lol geddit

Also, I think I'm just... going to stay in here because the rest of this forum is making me go like

LOL, I am going to have to play TF2 one of these days.

[GailRana]

maselphie wrote...

The thing about comparing what Anders did to real life terrorism is that ... I get the impression that the entire world of Thedas, outside of Tevinter, believes that mages should be oppressed. Outside of the Dalish and Dwarves, I feel like everyone follows the Chantry and that they all fear mages. If there are entire other continents of nothing but Qunari or something, I have missed those codex pages.

My point was, it's a bit different when it's civil war and not instigating a war with others. It's one thing to blow up the Qunari church because they hadn't left, and one thing to blow up a cotton plantation to free some slaves. They're both AWFUL and I HATE IT, but I think they're different in a way.

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Yeah, the comparison never sat right with me.

maselphie wrote...

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Rheia1234 wrote...

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haha! Well done

[GailRana]

Lady Moof wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Naamah_bb I'm getting even more flak as a fan because I actually think what Anders did WAS justified in the world he was in. That's an unpopular opinion even among Anders fans. I don't condone terrorism in the modern world, but in this case I truly believe there were no other options.

I'm TOTALLY there with you. *high five*

I've been arguing with my friend all day about this, and he brings up MLK and women's right movements comparisons. Obviously, this would be terrorism in the real world, but in Thedas, it makes sense. I'm proud of Anders...there- I said it!

man, it's kind of nice to here other people say this. i was beginning to feel like a bad person for sort of being ok with it.

So was I, but then I was all like, nah, you shall not beat me! xD

haha, way to stay strong!

[GailRana]

Brodyaha wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
I think I am just doomed to always love the characters that the fandom hates the most.  Kaidan, Alistair, Carver, Anders...

Sounds like me!   

In my opinion, I think Male Human LIs seem to get the most hatred on these forums.  Must be something in the air. 

maybe they are just written for a different audience then a stereotypical gamer alpha-male. I have yet to run into a game that has better romace stories then the DA games do

[Sialater]

Lady Moof wrote...

GailRana wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

@Naamah_bb I'm getting even more flak as a fan because I actually think what Anders did WAS justified in the world he was in. That's an unpopular opinion even among Anders fans. I don't condone terrorism in the modern world, but in this case I truly believe there were no other options.

I'm TOTALLY there with you. *high five*

I've been arguing with my friend all day about this, and he brings up MLK and women's right movements comparisons. Obviously, this would be terrorism in the real world, but in Thedas, it makes sense. I'm proud of Anders...there- I said it!

man, it's kind of nice to here other people say this. i was beginning to feel like a bad person for sort of being ok with it.

So was I, but then I was all like, nah, you shall not beat me! xD

I actually haven't decided one way or the other.

[Trophonius]

snarkycleric wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Not without the grand cleric's intervention (which never happened, btw)

I think that's one of the issues I had with Grand Cleric Elthina - I liked her, but I kept wanting to shout at her. "INTERVENE. PLEASE INTERVENE. THIS IS NEVER GOING TO SORT ITSELF OUT -"

And then she would stroll calmly off.

It annoyed me to know how much she cared. <_< I guess it's all just empty promises, I'm afraid.

Brodyaha wrote...

In my opinion, I think the special breed of Male Human Love Interests
seem to get the most hatred on these forums.  Must be something in the
air.

From what I've seen, the vast complaints stem from the issue of Anders aggressively coming onto people's m!Hawkes. Personally, I thought both Anders and Fenris were pretty deep and enjoyable. No character came without emotional baggage anyway. If they were all real, they would've qualified for psychological therapy.

[BlastedLands]

whoa, <3 u all. i feel like less of a freak seeing that actually some of the ladies agree.... and it's not just my twisted mind that sees some degree of "okay" in it.

[Miri1984]

I'm glad I got my opinion out in the open then! It's just funny all this Anders hate, since that short story was posted way back before the game came out it's been so vitriolic. I'm glad the people who like him are so reasonable and awesome

[Sarah1281]

Does anyone have a link to that story? I can't find it.

[Sylph_14]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that story? I can't find it.

http://social.biowar...46067/1#6046116

[maselphie]

They will all die. Every templar, every holy sister who stands in the way of our freedom will die in agony and their deaths will be our fuel. We will have justice. We will have vengeance.

Daaaymn. Foreshadowin' turned on max.

[Eydris Ivo]

I have another surprise for you guys...it's just loading...

[_Somebody]

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

[maselphie]

Somebody wrote...

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

I do. By quite a lot, actually.

[Eydris Ivo]

Somebody wrote...

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

I love his DA2 appearance. I just wish he had his earring ;_;

[BlastedLands]

Somebody wrote...

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

yep.
also: does he dye his hair?
lol, it just crossed my tired, slightly muddled mind....

[Miri1984]

I like his look better in DA2, although I kind of wish they'd kept his eyes small and cheeky. Then we wouldn't have had the big soulful looks though, so I get why they did it

[sassperella]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Naamah_bb I'm getting even more flak as a fan because I actually think what Anders did WAS justified in the world he was in. That's an unpopular opinion even among Anders fans. I don't condone terrorism in the modern world, but in this case I truly believe there were no other options.

And this is kinda the crux of the matter. A lot of people are judging Anders based on the modern world and the effects of terrorism in our world today. Thedas is a different place with different ideals and a much much more violent lifestyle. There is nowhere that is untouched by violence in Thedas, no safe haven.  Most people you meet have killed, a lot have killed innocents - Zev was an assassin and admits sometimes innocents get in the way and admits he loves killing.  Isabella's actions through her own greed and need for self preservation resulted in way more deaths than Anders.

But terrorism is so emotive that a lot of people can't see past 9/11 and they cannot judge Anders on his actions within the context of Thedas.
Yes the Gland Cleric was a nice old lady that Seb loved like a mother, but the chantry has a lot of power. she could have stopped meredith (or at least tried, I don't think meredith was sane by that point) She could have intervened, but she stood by and let people suffer horrendous things turning a blind eye to what was going on by hiding in the inaction of the maker. The Divine was considering marching on Kirkwall and cleansing everyone, innocents alike - that's how evil the chantry is.
I hate terrorism and 9/11 was an atrocity, but in Thedas no one is really innocent and sometimes drastic action needs to be taken. 

[_Somebody]

Haerja wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

yep.
also: does he dye his hair?
lol, it just crossed my tired, slightly muddled mind....

Yeah, his facial hair and eye brows are darker from his hair.

I like Anders a lot too btw, was just curious as to what people thought of how he looks now. 

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[sassperella]

Somebody wrote...

Do you guys like the way he looks in DA2 over Awakening? 

I like both tbh. I even liked his voice up until I heard Cullen talking then I got pangs lol.

[DeaHamlet]

OMG. The torture is over.
My one and only templar playthrough.

I killed Anders. And I am surprised to say... it wasn't as horrid as I thought it would be.
I let him go free and he went to defend the mages... it made sense. My Hawke wanted to protect the city, minimize the war, and respected the other side. She let Anders go to be at the side of the mages, to die for his cause in a proper way... FIGHTING. Not stabbed in the back like an animal.

And when he came to kill me, he was only sad. And resolved. He wasn't angry, he wasn't shouting... he was simply disappointed it came to this.

It was beautiful! Hawke did not fight him, Fenris fought him alone and killed him.
There was no romance, Hawke and Anders were really good friends and she helped him as much as she could.

I hated siding with the templars, but I must say that Bioware made a beautiful thing out of having to kill Anders.

I can imagine that my mage warden and my templar Hawke would have quite the fight. I don't think my elf mage would care one tinsy bit that Hawke was just trying to find a peaceful solution and try to stop a war before it began.
I can't say I blame the warden.

Templar siding NEVER again.