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[Raiil]

dpMeggers wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...



This. But also, I think that the LI's would not willingly give up on the Warden and Hawke. Or at least not in my games.

Which is, of course, the rub. We can't control that, because some of us play characters that aren't madly in love with our romantic partners. My Warden Amell will raise hell and high water if someone pulls her from Alistair. My Anders-romanced mage Hawke won't fight as hard if they have to separate. I agree that if we are split up from the LI, the idea will be that it's against our will/for the greater good, simply because there's no way to code that sort of inference.

But the LI is always in love with their romantic partner, even Morrigan. Really, it's sort of a moot point, because we don't know what happened. For all we know the Warden and LI went off to investigate some sort of Deep Roads thing and Hawke and LI froze to death in the Vimmark Mountains.

In love versus madly in love. Do you think every non-Cousland with a non-hardened Alistair protested the breakup if you make him King? For some, duty is more important than love. Same with Anders- you can love him madly, deeply, passionately, and still slide steel between his ribs, or you can be, well, in love but not in the same way and still spare him. Part of canon only exists in our head and the game can't compensate for that, so it's you're in love, without saying how deep you are in, and the game gives a convienent out.

[dpMeggers]

Valentia X wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...



This. But also, I think that the LI's would not willingly give up on the Warden and Hawke. Or at least not in my games.

Which is, of course, the rub. We can't control that, because some of us play characters that aren't madly in love with our romantic partners. My Warden Amell will raise hell and high water if someone pulls her from Alistair. My Anders-romanced mage Hawke won't fight as hard if they have to separate. I agree that if we are split up from the LI, the idea will be that it's against our will/for the greater good, simply because there's no way to code that sort of inference.

But the LI is always in love with their romantic partner, even Morrigan. Really, it's sort of a moot point, because we don't know what happened. For all we know the Warden and LI went off to investigate some sort of Deep Roads thing and Hawke and LI froze to death in the Vimmark Mountains.

In love versus madly in love. Do you think every non-Cousland with a non-hardened Alistair protested the breakup if you make him King? For some, duty is more important than love. Same with Anders- you can love him madly, deeply, passionately, and still slide steel between his ribs, or you can be, well, in love but not in the same way and still spare him. Part of canon only exists in our head and the game can't compensate for that, so it's you're in love, without saying how deep you are in, and the game gives a convienent out.

I think we might be arguing different points. If I'm reading correctly you're saying that the player's character may be in love with their LI, but not madly in love, so the player's character may not follow the LI wherever they please. I'm saying that the LI is always enough in love with the player's character to follow them into whatever it is that BioWare has thrown them into (with the possible exception of King Alistair who has other things to do).

[Raiil]

I think we are too, but my actual point (I have one, I promise lol) is that the character themselves may make the decision to go off on their own. Different reasons may be possible- for duty, to ensure one of them survive, so Ferelden has a King (or hell, even a Queen, if Cousland and Anora fall in actual love) and so on and so forth. The LI doesn't necessarily get to make the final decision. And the LI may choose not to go. For Anders, his consuming passion is for his cause, not just his love for Hawke, Alistair may have to rule Ferelden, Leliana's got her duties with the Chantry.

[dpMeggers]

That's fair. Granted none of what either of us thinks really matters because I get the feeling that what actually happened has already been decided.

[phantomdragoness]

@dpMeggers...
I'm sure Bioware takes quite a few suggestions and opinions into account. Look at what they have done with ME3 in such a short amount of time.

But if I don't get any more Garrus lovin' I will be VERY UPSET.

[Jean]

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

[Amondra]

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

D:

Act one would've been ridculously long if that had been the case. Either that or I would've been stuck going to Dougal,. 

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

D:

Act one would've been ridculously long if that had been the case. Either that or I would've been stuck going to Dougal,. 

I would have just pimped Anders out at the Rose.  He did say people always try to higher him there.

[leggywillow]

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

[phantomdragoness]

Amondra wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

D:

Act one would've been ridculously long if that had been the case. Either that or I would've been stuck going to Dougal,. 

I would have just pimped Anders out at the Rose.  He did say people always try to higher him there.

Pimp Anders, and force Fenris to pick pocket people with his magical fisting trick.

Omg...DA2 would have become Assassin's Creed...

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
I would have just pimped Anders out at the Rose.  He did say people always try to higher him there.

 

Genius!

But...my Hawke probably would've wasted all his money trying to sleep with Anders in special ways. He doesn't like to share. 

[ipgd]

leggywillow wrote...

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

Screw Athenril and Meeran, Gamlen should have hooked Hawke up with Madam Lusine.

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I would have just pimped Anders out at the Rose.  He did say people always try to higher him there.

 

Genius!

But...my Hawke probably would've wasted all his money trying to sleep with Anders in special ways. He doesn't like to share. 

LOL I know right? On the brightside he could heal himself >_> people could pay extra to get smited by Justice, and you know Isabela would have jumped in on the fun...Merrill is to sweet...so you could have her make cakes...this would have been better then some of the quests I got sent on >_<

[Amondra]

leggywillow wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

How rude >_< Clearly that is far better then what we ended up doing.

[phantomdragoness]

Amondra wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

How rude >_< Clearly that is far better then what we ended up doing.

Even then, Bioware wouldn't make good sex scenes. <_<

[Amondra]

phantomdragoness wrote...

Amondra wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I dunno. I'm sure sometimes they can't mind their mind up with what to do.

OMG 250? Really? Bioware was going to make us slaves to make that money.

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

How rude >_< Clearly that is far better then what we ended up doing.

Even then, Bioware wouldn't make good sex scenes. <_<

I know   I waited so long to see Anders nekkid and they give me a black screen?  Oh my heart...

[Ashwraith]

ipgd wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

There was a whole string of side quests in which Hawke got a position at the Blooming Rose.  You follow Hawke's rise to power to become the Champion of Dickwall.  Sadly it was cut.

Screw Athenril and Meeran, Gamlen should have hooked Hawke up with Madam Lusine.

No thanks, they're not really my type.

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
LOL I know right? On the brightside he could heal himself >_> people could pay extra to get smited by Justice, and you know Isabela would have jumped in on the fun...Merrill is to sweet...so you could have her make cakes...this would have been better then some of the quests I got sent on >_<

But then he'd have to deal with smelly customers.  

Though yes Justice getting in on it to as some kind of dom would be hilarious. 

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
LOL I know right? On the brightside he could heal himself >_> people could pay extra to get smited by Justice, and you know Isabela would have jumped in on the fun...Merrill is to sweet...so you could have her make cakes...this would have been better then some of the quests I got sent on >_<

But then he'd have to deal with smelly customers.  

Though yes Justice getting in on it to as some kind of dom would be hilarious. 

Justice: This is unjust what you do to me and him!

Hawke: No what is unjust is the coin I need to move on to arc two.  Now get back in there!

[Varus Torvyn]

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

Modifié par Varus Torvyn, 30 avril 2011 - 07:16 .

[Amondra]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

Justice told him they couldn't have nice things? And the merge kinda reset him?

Honestly outside of the simple reason the game would have been way to easy with a 34 mage raping the templars. I don't know.

[Camilladilla]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

Same reason why Commander Shepard forgot everything in ME2 or the Warden forgot everything in DAA?

Or if that doesn't work for you.

A wizard did it.

[Varus Torvyn]

Amondra wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

Justice told him they couldn't have nice things? And the merge kinda reset him?

Honestly outside of the simple reason the game would have been way to easy with a 34 mage raping the templars. I don't know.

If I was Anders, I would have told Justice off at least in the case of the staff he had at the time.

[Threeparts]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

It's the difference between game mechanics and story-telling. He didn't "forget" or "lose" anything, it was simply the demands of a new game with a new system of specialisations, skills, inventories and levelling. Learning to divorce the reality of what is possible because the game needs it to be so, and what is possible because the story requires it is really RPG 101.

The time you spent with those characters wasn't a waste any more than the time you spent playing a game in the past that you haven't revisited. New game, new rules.

/shrug