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[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
Justice: This is unjust what you do to me and him!

Hawke: No what is unjust is the coin I need to move on to arc two.  Now get back in there!

 

Poor Justice. Even though he's a Dom he's still Hawke's b****. 

[Varus Torvyn]

Threeparts wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

It's the difference between game mechanics and story-telling. He didn't "forget" or "lose" anything, it was simply the demands of a new game with a new system of specialisations, skills, inventories and levelling. Learning to divorce the reality of what is possible because the game needs it to be so, and what is possible because the story requires it is really RPG 101.

The time you spent with those characters wasn't a waste any more than the time you spent playing a game in the past that you haven't revisited. New game, new rules.

/shrug

That's understandable, but on the other hand, he goes from being an uber-mage to being weaker than Merrill when you compare stats. How can you lose magical capacity and mana when he appears after Awakening is completed?

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Justice: This is unjust what you do to me and him!

Hawke: No what is unjust is the coin I need to move on to arc two.  Now get back in there!

 

Poor Justice. Even though he's a Dom he's still Hawke's b****. 

In my first playthrough he was a damn god.  Anders bugged and when I loaded the game "Enchant weapon" Bugged and enchanted Anders instead, which acted like Vengeance being activated minus the draw backs...so he was a casting maniac that was healing like no one knows, casting spells into oblivion...all while glowing red from the staff...It was beautiful.

[ipgd]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

That's understandable, but on the other hand, he goes from being an uber-mage to being weaker than Merrill when you compare stats. How can you lose magical capacity and mana when he appears after Awakening is completed?

Because it's a game.

[AnimeAngel90]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

It's the difference between game mechanics and story-telling. He didn't "forget" or "lose" anything, it was simply the demands of a new game with a new system of specialisations, skills, inventories and levelling. Learning to divorce the reality of what is possible because the game needs it to be so, and what is possible because the story requires it is really RPG 101.

The time you spent with those characters wasn't a waste any more than the time you spent playing a game in the past that you haven't revisited. New game, new rules.

/shrug

That's understandable, but on the other hand, he goes from being an uber-mage to being weaker than Merrill when you compare stats. How can you lose magical capacity and mana when he appears after Awakening is completed?

Gamplay and story segregation? They're not going to give anyone a level 34 mage when all other characters are barely level 5, that would just make the game ridiculous XD

Maybe Justice stole it. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

[Amondra]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

So someone please explain to me how Anders "forgot" all the spells he knew in Awakening, lost his inventory, and lost his Level 34?

One would think something more than Ser Pounce-a-Lot memories would carry over from an imported save - mine was from The Nest, standing with Morrigan at the mirror, at Level 34.

It's the difference between game mechanics and story-telling. He didn't "forget" or "lose" anything, it was simply the demands of a new game with a new system of specialisations, skills, inventories and levelling. Learning to divorce the reality of what is possible because the game needs it to be so, and what is possible because the story requires it is really RPG 101.

The time you spent with those characters wasn't a waste any more than the time you spent playing a game in the past that you haven't revisited. New game, new rules.

/shrug

That's understandable, but on the other hand, he goes from being an uber-mage to being weaker than Merrill when you compare stats. How can you lose magical capacity and mana when he appears after Awakening is completed?

I thought he was a bit more powerful, only because atleast with me he was the last to level over enveryone! I was like damn Anders come on and level! We needs regroup already! However I always have him set to heal and dump almost all point into willpower because I got a mod the removes the restrictions on armor and weapons...

Also I would have told Justice that he could have just stayed in Kristoff if he told me that.  But then again you know he had to get rid of that Lyrium ring...I bet that broke his heart.

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

That's understandable, but on the other hand, he goes from being an uber-mage to being weaker than Merrill when you compare stats. How can you lose magical capacity and mana when he appears after Awakening is completed?

Because it's a game.

what

omg

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
In my first playthrough he was a damn god.  Anders bugged and when I loaded the game "Enchant weapon" Bugged and enchanted Anders instead, which acted like Vengeance being activated minus the draw backs...so he was a casting maniac that was healing like no one knows, casting spells into oblivion...all while glowing red from the staff...It was beautiful.

Awesome glitch is awesome.  

On the note of Anders losing his abilities I do miss him having the spirit healer tree. Pancea is okay but just not as good :/ 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[Varus Torvyn]

Hmm...acceptable.

One thing I don't understand is how in the Fade, Justice activates "Vengeance", yet I don't have it enabled - it's completely blacked out, I never chose that for Anders.

And since it isn't, you can't deactivate it.

Modifié par Varus Torvyn, 30 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
In my first playthrough he was a damn god.  Anders bugged and when I loaded the game "Enchant weapon" Bugged and enchanted Anders instead, which acted like Vengeance being activated minus the draw backs...so he was a casting maniac that was healing like no one knows, casting spells into oblivion...all while glowing red from the staff...It was beautiful.

Awesome glitch is awesome.  

On the note of Anders losing his abilities I do miss him having the spirit healer tree. Pancea is okay but just not as good :/ 

Yeah I agree there.  There were a few times I was swearing up and down that he didn't have it.  Also is he the only companion where he "own" tree doesn't upgrade anything?  That also made me sad panda...unless Echant weapon bugs again, then I don't care, he is in god mode.

[Amondra]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Hmm...acceptable.

One thing I don't understand is how in the Fade, Justice activates "Vengeance", yet I don't have it enabled - it's completely blacked out, I never chose that for Anders.

And since it isn't, you can't deactivate it.

It isn't so much as it is active as much as it is Justice taking over in the fade.  I think it is because he is native there, he becomes what Anders is to him in the mortal realm; the dominate personality.

[phantomdragoness]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Hmm...acceptable.

One thing I don't understand is how in the Fade, Justice activates "Vengeance", yet I don't have it enabled - it's completely blacked out, I never chose that for Anders.

And since it isn't, you can't deactivate it.

Justice will never become Vengeance, then! YES! We found a way!!!

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
Yeah I agree there.  There were a few times I was swearing up and down that he didn't have it.  Also is he the only companion where he "own" tree doesn't upgrade anything?  That also made me sad panda...unless Echant weapon bugs again, then I don't care, he is in god mode.

I think you can upgrade Vengeance...once. But otherwise...yeah. 

[Dave of Canada]

*emerges*

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still not a fan of Anders...

... but I'm working on a small project about him, it's silly and hopefully will work out as I have it in my head. Expect it soonish or tommorow.

*disappears*

Sort-of related: Who do you think did most of the writing for The Last Straw? I'm thinking Hepler because of Anders having such a big role, though it could have been Gaider ... *confused*

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 30 avril 2011 - 07:59 .

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Yeah I agree there.  There were a few times I was swearing up and down that he didn't have it.  Also is he the only companion where he "own" tree doesn't upgrade anything?  That also made me sad panda...unless Echant weapon bugs again, then I don't care, he is in god mode.

I think you can upgrade Vengeance...once. But otherwise...yeah. 

Sadly I almost never bother going that way >_>

I have this weird thing in my head that going the healing route is helping him remember what he loves: helping people, kittens, knitting....

Where going down the Vengeance side you letting Vengrnce consume him and then I feel dirty also afraid my Hawke will wake up in the middle of the night with Venders standing over her smiling and saying something like "I know what anger is, now I want to know what desire is..." but not in a loving voice...more like I am to make you hate me voice

If you haven't noticed Anders rivalmance scares me ****less...however so didn't Fenris's...both men are beastly monsters...

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
Sadly I almost never bother going that way >_>

I have this weird thing in my head that going the healing route is helping him remember what he loves: helping people, kittens, knitting....

Where going down the Vengeance side you letting Vengrnce consume him and then I feel dirty also afraid my Hawke will wake up in the middle of the night with Venders standing over her smiling and saying something like "I know what anger is, now I want to know what desire is..." but not in a loving voice...more like I am to make you hate me voice

If you haven't noticed Anders rivalmance scares me ****less...however so didn't Fenris's...both men are beastly monsters...

I head canon it as Rival Hawke and Justice had angry sex once and Justice refuses to come out for very long lest their be a repeat.  He has imprints of Anders' feelings for Hawke running around inside him so he's as much of a hot mess as Anders. (On that note I wonder how much Anders' emotions affect Justice?) Could explain why he doesn't try to kill a rivalrymance Hawke. No matter how angry he gets he still loves Hawke and would be highly hesitant to kill Hawke unless there was no other option. 

Of course there's no evidence in game or anything but still. It amuses me so I headcanon it that way.  

I also RP it as Anders getting used to controlling Justice's powers during combat but otherwise remaining himself. 
 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 avril 2011 - 08:23 .

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Sadly I almost never bother going that way >_>

I have this weird thing in my head that going the healing route is helping him remember what he loves: helping people, kittens, knitting....

Where going down the Vengeance side you letting Vengrnce consume him and then I feel dirty also afraid my Hawke will wake up in the middle of the night with Venders standing over her smiling and saying something like "I know what anger is, now I want to know what desire is..." but not in a loving voice...more like I am to make you hate me voice

If you haven't noticed Anders rivalmance scares me ****less...however so didn't Fenris's...both men are beastly monsters...

I head canon it as Rival Hawke and Justice had angry sex once and Justice refuses to come out for very long lest their be a repeat.  He has imprints of Anders' feelings for Hawke running around inside him so he's as much of a hot mess as Anders. (On that note I wonder how much Anders' emotions affect Justice?) Could explain why he doesn't try to kill a rivalrymance Hawke. No matter how angry he gets he still loves Hawke and would be highly hesitant to kill Hawke unless there was no other option. 

Of course there's no evidence in game or anything but still. It amuses me so I headcanon it that way.  

I also RP it as Anders getting used to controlling Justice's powers during combat but otherwise remaining himself. 
 

Thats...so hott...you have given me strength to rivalmance Anders...of course that is after the patch...I want my templar ending without me cheating it.  You also gave me a new love for it as well.

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
Thats...so hott...you have given me strength to rivalmance Anders...of course that is after the patch...I want my templar ending without me cheating it.  You also gave me a new love for it as well.

It's a lot easier if you do it as a snarky (or diplomatic but to me snark is more fun) character. I have to say it's my fav way to do the rivalrymance. Aggressive has its perks but it feels like Hawke and Anders are well...it's really brutal at times which isn't to everyone's tastes. (I love it but it can be seen as borderline abusive). With a snarky/diplomatic Hawke it doesn't feel as...harsh and cruel. 

Does help that Snark! Hawke goes "Ah Justice...it's been so long." when Justice assumes direct control during act 3. 

[eleridragon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

*emerges*

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still not a fan of Anders...

... but I'm working on a small project about him, it's silly and hopefully will work out as I have it in my head. Expect it soonish or tommorow.

*disappears*

Sort-of related: Who do you think did most of the writing for The Last Straw? I'm thinking Hepler because of Anders having such a big role, though it could have been Gaider ... *confused*

This should be good

The writing for The Last Straw, that's a good question.  I always thought it was a group effort on that one, but who did the larger part, I have no idea.

And O/T I still miss your Varric pic

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

Does help that Snark! Hawke goes "Ah Justice...it's been so long." when Justice assumes direct control during act 3. 

I can't decide if that's hilarious or horrible.

We'll go with "hilarrible."

[phantomdragoness]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Does help that Snark! Hawke goes "Ah Justice...it's been so long." when Justice assumes direct control during act 3. 

I can't decide if that's hilarious or horrible.

We'll go with "hilarrible."

I"m sorry...whenever Justice emerges, I can't help but think of Mass Effect...


ASSUMING CONTROL.

[mellifera]

This hurts you.

I know you feel this.

If I must tear you apart, Hawke, I will.

[kromify]

 lol ^ :happy:

good morning anders thread

*gets tea, sits to read*

[Amondra]

yukidama wrote...

This hurts you.

I know you feel this.

If I must tear you apart, Hawke, I will.

Nothing says I love you like that.  Ahh to love a man like Anders.

[Heidenreich]

yukidama wrote...

This hurts you.

I know you feel this.

If I must tear you apart, Hawke, I will.

OMG, THANK YOU SO MUCH. HARBRINGER IS NOW JUSTICE IN MY HEAD