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[mellifera]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Yuki I've heard she's a total sexual predator. I really, REALLY have to finish playing that game....

She reaaaaally likes Jacob. Whether you want her to or not

Hawke Solo and Leianders... oh my god xD

[Sable Rhapsody]

dpMeggers wrote...

I think part of it (for me anyway) is that as much as he falls in love with Hawke it isn't instant!love.

In the friendmance my assumption is that Hawke and Anders are friends who flirt with each other and eventually fall in love, but Anders is really resistant to the idea of getting involved because 1) he thinks of himself as a monster/ Hawke doesn't know what he's capable of, 2) Hawke is a good example of a free mage and he doesn't want to taint that/ Hawke is good to apostates and he doesn't want to see him/her hang for it, 3) the cause is first with him, and he doesn't want to break Hawke's heart because of it.

I think as with a lot of things, it depends on the Hawke.

For Anders and my Hawke, it WAS like being struck by lightning the instant they set eyes on each other; I wouldn't call it love at first sight, but they felt very strongly about each other from the get-go.  (As a player, I was still undecided about the LIs, but my Hawke and Anders had such incredible, electric chemistry from the moment they met.)  For them, the reason why Anders was so resistant was mostly because he thinks of himself as dangerous, and partially because he felt my lovely little Hightown lady Hawke deserved someone of her caliber.

And then Anders-sexing happened, and all that went out the window 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

SurelyForth wrote...

This is how I feel, too. 

I feel like he is just as attracted to a female Hawke as he is a male Hawke (considering he gives rivalry if you reject him on either path), but with a female it seems more like it bends him emotionally and he goes down that stupid "This is the path to woe! Be careful!" thing, while with a male it's more physical, so he can keep it at "Hey, I think you're cute. Is that cool?" level.

I'm pretty not romantic but I could appreciate his lines to female Hawke in Act 1 if he would have responded to her "I can take care of myself" with something like "I know you can, but I really don't want to put you in that situation", which is how I've chosen to take it and which comes off as less...*sigh* sexist.

...There is scientific evidence that due to thinking processes and hormones unique to Men and Women, a woman would be more emotionally attached than a man...

Besides, Thedas is still in the Medieval period.
Also, from experience, I'd say most men expect a woman to be more emotional.

[dpMeggers]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

For the "scruffy" thing, since Ferelden is pretty much the Thedas equivalent of England, the term likely applies to Hawke having a bedragled/messy/rough appearance.

@ dpMeggers Aaand now I have mental images of the DA cast as Star Wars Characters. Cheers!

Hawke: Your friend killed my mother!
Orsino: No, Hawke. I am your mother!!!

Hawke: No! That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!

[legbamel]

thebrute7 wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
And my brain has suddenly made the connection between Princess Leia calling Han Solo scruffy looking and Anders calling m!Hawke scruffy.

Leianders and Hawke Solo. Lord, if only I could draw.

 for the person who does that.  Oh god that's marvelous.

OMG, please, please somebody draw this one.  I offer digital cookies festooned with icing ruffles and rainbow sprinkles!

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

dpMeggers wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

For the "scruffy" thing, since Ferelden is pretty much the Thedas equivalent of England, the term likely applies to Hawke having a bedragled/messy/rough appearance.

@ dpMeggers Aaand now I have mental images of the DA cast as Star Wars Characters. Cheers!

Hawke: Your friend killed my mother!
Orsino: No, Hawke. I am your mother!!!

Hawke: No! That's not true! That's IMPOSSIBLE!

Orsino: It is entirely possible - with Blood Magic!!!

[legbamel]

Dunizel wrote...
Speaking of videos, look how a good bit of editing can make everything look different...that's Fenders for you xD 
Well, to be honest you can even just see sexy Anders and Fenris...but the sequence of scene is wonderful xD I laughed a bit xD

That video is coated with awesomesauce.
Somehow that sounds a lot dirtier than I had intended...but accurate. 
Edited to add: Apparently this is the same person who did Alistair's I Am Not a ****.

Modifié par legbamel, 30 avril 2011 - 10:08 .

[dpMeggers]

SurelyForth wrote...

This is how I feel, too. 

I feel like he is just as attracted to a female Hawke as he is a male Hawke (considering he gives rivalry if you reject him on either path), but with a female it seems more like it bends him emotionally and he goes down that stupid "This is the path to woe! Be careful!" thing, while with a male it's more physical, so he can keep it at "Hey, I think you're cute. Is that cool?" level.

I'm pretty not romantic but I could appreciate his lines to female Hawke in Act 1 if he would have responded to her "I can take care of myself" with something like "I know you can, but I really don't want to put you in that situation", which is how I've chosen to take it and which comes off as less...*sigh* sexist.

I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

[Camilladilla]

dpMeggers wrote...

I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

I always took it as Bioware's way of sending red flags to female players saying "WARNING! HERE BE ANGST AND HEARTBREAK! ROMANCE AT YOUR OWN RISK" after all the backlash they received with Alistair.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

...There is scientific evidence that due to thinking processes and hormones unique to Men and Women, a woman would be more emotionally attached than a man...

Besides, Thedas is still in the Medieval period.
Also, from experience, I'd say most men expect a woman to be more emotional.

There's some truth here, but it's important to qualify.

There are statistical differences on AVERAGE between the sexes on a few factors for relationships (amount of physical intimacy, attitudes toward commitment, etc.), but there's usually a much wider spread of attitudes within the sexes than there is between.

In other words, men and women are a little different, but generally, we all want the same thing from our relationships.  We all want emotional warmth, commitment, respect, and affection.

[legbamel]

Camilladilla wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

I always took it as Bioware's way of sending red flags to female players saying "WARNING! HERE BE ANGST AND HEARTBREAK! ROMANCE AT YOUR OWN RISK" after all the backlash they received with Alistair.

But they thrive on our tears!  Why would they want to reduce the strength of our pain?

I have to agree with some of the others that I would have preferred the two relationships to be more similar.  What, men don't get broken hearts and women don't appreciate a litlle...titillation?  

[Amondra]

Camilladilla wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

I always took it as Bioware's way of sending red flags to female players saying "WARNING! HERE BE ANGST AND HEARTBREAK! ROMANCE AT YOUR OWN RISK" after all the backlash they received with Alistair.

Anders also gave you a note after leaving the clinic that in detail he was going to use you to blow up the Chantry, also to reasure you there was no hidden harden mechanic that would stop him.

Truly only thing about Alistair that upset me was his hidden harden mechanic.  Not because he would leave me(I didn't even make him king because he didn't want it) but that was the only way to get the guy to want too <_<

[Sable Rhapsody]

legbamel wrote...

I have to agree with some of the others that I would have preferred the two relationships to be more similar.  What, men don't get broken hearts and women don't appreciate a litlle...titillation?  

Well, they are and they aren't.

Again, in fundamentals, most relationships are pretty similar.  We all like to be loved.  We all like to be valued, respected, all that jazz.  But the surface dynamics of a homosexual relationship vs. a heterosexual relationship are usually slightly different due to the former just having two people of the same sex involved.  It makes sense that the romances would be similar in fundamentals and a little different in their dressings.

[Camilladilla]

legbamel wrote...

But they thrive on our tears!  Why would they want to reduce the strength of our pain?

I have to agree with some of the others that I would have preferred the two relationships to be more similar.  What, men don't get broken hearts and women don't appreciate a litlle...titillation?  

Eh, I like that there's this big difference between male and female Hawkes in regards to their romances, but yeeeeah, not a big fan of how m/f Andersmance played out.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

...There is scientific evidence that due to thinking processes and hormones unique to Men and Women, a woman would be more emotionally attached than a man...

Besides, Thedas is still in the Medieval period.
Also, from experience, I'd say most men expect a woman to be more emotional.

There's some truth here, but it's important to qualify.

There are statistical differences on AVERAGE between the sexes on a few factors for relationships (amount of physical intimacy, attitudes toward commitment, etc.), but there's usually a much wider spread of attitudes within the sexes than there is between.

In other words, men and women are a little different, but generally, we all want the same thing from our relationships.  We all want emotional warmth, commitment, respect, and affection.

True for about 90-odd% of the world, I presume.
In the end I suppose it all boils down to the people.

It's funny, Anders never used to have an issue flirting unabashedly before. XD
(But then again, he wasn't as cautious back then, he wasn't an abomination and he hadn't just lost a former(?) lover to what he considers a fate worse than death)

[Friera]

Is there no lovey dovey scene with Anders in Act II of you have romanced him throughout the whole game and always sided with mages? During Questions annd Beliefs I could even flirt and he didnt show up at my house... Hmmmr.. boring.
If I remember correctly there where two scenes with Fenris...

[dpMeggers]

Camilladilla wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

I always took it as Bioware's way of sending red flags to female players saying "WARNING! HERE BE ANGST AND HEARTBREAK! ROMANCE AT YOUR OWN RISK" after all the backlash they received with Alistair.

What men don't get angsty and heartbroken? I'd use Anders as an example but maybe he's not the best one.

I would have liked the f!Hawke and m!Hawke to be treated in a similar fashion, but I can see how Anders might not do that, because I know for sure I treat my guy friends and my gal friends IRL a little differently. Not like "I'll break your heart" vs. "you're cute lets have sexytimes" differently, but I change how I treat them because of who they are, adapt to the situation etc.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

True for about 90-odd% of the world, I presume.
In the end I suppose it all boils down to the people.

This is what makes neuroscience both fascinating and frustrating   As human beings, we have a lot in common, and there are a lot of patterns in how we behave.  But there are always individual quirks and idiosyncracies.  I have to keep telling my friends that when they try to get me to analyze individual people using what I know broadly from neuro; it never works 

[thebrute7]

dpMeggers wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

I take it as Anders having experience with both men and women and acknowledging that sometimes they react to the same thing in different ways? It seems less "I am man must protect woman" and more...sensitive to other people that way.

I always took it as Bioware's way of sending red flags to female players saying "WARNING! HERE BE ANGST AND HEARTBREAK! ROMANCE AT YOUR OWN RISK" after all the backlash they received with Alistair.

What men don't get angsty and heartbroken? I'd use Anders as an example but maybe he's not the best one.

I would have liked the f!Hawke and m!Hawke to be treated in a similar fashion, but I can see how Anders might not do that, because I know for sure I treat my guy friends and my gal friends IRL a little differently. Not like "I'll break your heart" vs. "you're cute lets have sexytimes" differently, but I change how I treat them because of who they are, adapt to the situation etc.

We like agst and heartbreak too.  Take my word for it.

[dpMeggers]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

True for about 90-odd% of the world, I presume.
In the end I suppose it all boils down to the people.

This is what makes neuroscience both fascinating and frustrating   As human beings, we have a lot in common, and there are a lot of patterns in how we behave.  But there are always individual quirks and idiosyncracies.  I have to keep telling my friends that when they try to get me to analyze individual people using what I know broadly from neuro; it never works 

Analyzing individual people using neuroscience is easy: "There's a lot of stuff going on. This may be influencing that, but it may also be this, this or this. Ultimately, there are too many confounding variables for us to ever truely know what the ultimate cause is, if there even is one, it may just be a bidirectional relationship. Of course this is provided the symptoms you've described are, in fact, accurate."

People are complicated. People who have decided to merge with spirits are worse, or better, depending on how you look at it.

[DreGregoire]

So... I'm writing a fanfic that has Anders in it and I went back to reread the DA2 intro to Anders again and came across a line that made me think about all the people who killed Anders near the end of DA2. Here's the line from the story that made me second guess that it's really possible.

"And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up"

You've probably all talked about it before but I'm slow and it just occured to me that according to this Anders most likely isn't dead, because... well the above. Heh. Crazy thought.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

True for about 90-odd% of the world, I presume.
In the end I suppose it all boils down to the people.

This is what makes neuroscience both fascinating and frustrating   As human beings, we have a lot in common, and there are a lot of patterns in how we behave.  But there are always individual quirks and idiosyncracies.  I have to keep telling my friends that when they try to get me to analyze individual people using what I know broadly from neuro; it never works 

Just like psychology.
Beyond the basic expected behavior, and the personal quirks, there are those with various psychological states and disorders, and people will try to generalise those too.
But there are multiple symptoms and various degrees of severity...

Like Anders. (See? Always on topic me.)

Oh the joy that is the human mind. 

[Camilladilla]

dpMeggers wrote...

What men don't get angsty and heartbroken? I'd use Anders as an example but maybe he's not the best one.

I would have liked the f!Hawke and m!Hawke to be treated in a similar fashion, but I can see how Anders might not do that, because I know for sure I treat my guy friends and my gal friends IRL a little differently. Not like "I'll break your heart" vs. "you're cute lets have sexytimes" differently, but I change how I treat them because of who they are, adapt to the situation etc.

We're talking about the same company that backed down after that Fox News shiz and gave us PG13 Fade to Black romance scenes after the steamy stuff we got for ME. I just wouldn't be terribly surprised they went this route with the f!Hawke Andersmance because 1) Bioware, while very progressive for a video game company, still has a rather backwards view on What Women Want (see f!Shepard barely getting any publicity if any at all) and 2) Alistair fangirls can be rather scary and I wasn't even hanging around the BSN when DAO came out, but I've seen some interesting reactions in other gaming comms.

[thebrute7]

DreGregoire wrote...

So... I'm writing a fanfic that has Anders in it and I went back to reread the DA2 intro to Anders again and came across a line that made me think about all the people who killed Anders near the end of DA2. Here's the line from the story that made me second guess that it's really possible.

"And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up"

You've probably all talked about it before but I'm slow and it just occured to me that according to this Anders most likely isn't dead, because... well the above. Heh. Crazy thought.

Nope, if you killed him in DAII he's dead.  I think DG said so somewhere on here but I can't find the post.  But yeah, he's dead.  No second (third?) coming for Anders.

[Sable Rhapsody]

dpMeggers wrote...

Analyzing individual people using neuroscience is easy: "There's a lot of stuff going on. This may be influencing that, but it may also be this, this or this. Ultimately, there are too many confounding variables for us to ever truely know what the ultimate cause is, if there even is one, it may just be a bidirectional relationship. Of course this is provided the symptoms you've described are, in fact, accurate."

LAWL 

Story of my last four years of neuro right here!  And yes, I'm sure spirit possession just makes it that much more troublesome