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[Camilladilla]

Ryzaki wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Dunizel wrote...

(I still stick to my idea that he was purring to Nate though, totally flirting)

Same here. To each his own, I guess. It's plausible, but I can understand why others would interpret it differently. Anders does ask Delilah if Nate's found a sense of humor yet. He could be just trying to get a rise out of him. Still, I wouldn't remove the possibility of attraction there (at least on Anders' part).

And I agree about Anders being 26 at best in Awakening. He's a little, I don't know, immature and youthful to be way older than that. His carefree attitude towards life reminds me of many people in their early/mid 20s. Someone who doesn't have the prospect of settling down and building a new life just yet. That's why I believe he's 28 or so at the start of DA2.

That...doesn't mesh with the timeline well though. 

Anders was a warden and all so that means if he's 26 during awakening the oldest he could be at the start of DA2 (if we ignore the prologue) is 27 (and that's assuming his birthday has past.)

Right? 

Or am I just being dense again? *is confused now* 

It's the DAO/DAA to DA2 timeline that doesn't mesh well to me. DAO is supposed to take 1 year right? And I guess that means DAA took a few months?

Appropriate TOP picture for DA timeline.

Modifié par Camilladilla, 30 avril 2011 - 11:43 .

[DreGregoire]

Ryzaki wrote...

That...doesn't mesh with the timeline well though. 

Anders was a warden and all so that means if he's 26 during awakening the oldest he could be at the start of DA2 (if we ignore the prologue) is 27 (and that's assuming his birthday has past.)

Right? 

Or am I just being dense again? *is confused now* 

No you are right the only way he's a year older is if his birthday passed because it is definately not more than a few months later than the Awakenings events when you meet him as Hawke in Kirkwall.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 30 avril 2011 - 11:41 .

[Dunizel]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Oh, apparently Varric lied to Casandra to make the story more interesting.

Apparently, this is how Anders really started the mage vs. templar war:

http://abadir.devian...s-all-206996705

Awakening-Anders at his best!
Maybe Varric is just trolling us, maybe he added A LOT of drama and heroic adventures...otherwise, what kind of story would that be...go imagine if we were all trolled by the writers.

[kromify]

anders was taken to the tower in his teens; i always assumed 15/16. he had time to take his harrowing - i don't know if he would have tried to run before that given the laws on tranquing harrowed mages. add in 7 escape attempts and a year's solitary... i think he might well be 25/26 by the time we meet him

[kromify]

ElleMullineux wrote...

What does Cassandra actually think happened? I'd love to know the main story that's doing the round in Ferelden.

Hot apostate blows up Chantry and Knight Commander turns herself into a statue of corrupted lyrium for a giggle?

that hawke was planning it since arriving more or less

[dpMeggers]

@ Elle possibly said apostate turns the Knight-Commander into the statue as part of the rebellion?

[Trophonius]

Ryzaki wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Dunizel wrote...

(I still stick to my idea that he was purring to Nate though, totally flirting)

Same here. To each his own, I guess. It's plausible, but I can understand why others would interpret it differently. Anders does ask Delilah if Nate's found a sense of humor yet. He could be just trying to get a rise out of him. Still, I wouldn't remove the possibility of attraction there (at least on Anders' part).

And I agree about Anders being 26 at best in Awakening. He's a little, I don't know, immature and youthful to be way older than that. His carefree attitude towards life reminds me of many people in their early/mid 20s. Someone who doesn't have the prospect of settling down and building a new life just yet. That's why I believe he's 28 or so at the start of DA2.

That...doesn't mesh with the timeline well though. 

Anders was a warden and all so that means if he's 26 during awakening the oldest he could be at the start of DA2 (if we ignore the prologue) is 27 (and that's assuming his birthday has past.)

Right? 

Or am I just being dense again? *is confused now* 

Well, I always figured that 2 years have transpired when you first meet him. The escape from Lothering happened sometime during the Blight. Awakening takes place roughly 6 months after. A year has passed after Hawke worked for Athenril/Meeran and assuming it's the 2nd year since Hawke and co. fled Lothering, then 28 makes sense for Anders.

The timeline's kind of messed up either way. It's probably one of the most complained issues with the game.

[DreGregoire]

ElleMullineux wrote...

What does Cassandra actually think happened? I'd love to know the main story that's doing the round in Ferelden.

Hot apostate blows up Chantry and Knight Commander turns herself into a statue of corrupted lyrium for a giggle?

From innuendo in David Gaider posts it's my impression that Ferelden has enough of it's own trouble without worry about what goes on in the rest of Thedas. Let alone what happened to the rude knight commander lady. Heh.

[Camilladilla]

kromify wrote...

anders was taken to the tower in his teens; i always assumed 15/16. he had time to take his harrowing - i don't know if he would have tried to run before that given the laws on tranquing harrowed mages. add in 7 escape attempts and a year's solitary... i think he might well be 25/26 by the time we meet him

He was taken at 12 according to the short story and I actually think the reason he got away with seven escape attempts without severe repercussions is because he made several of them before his Harrowing when he was still a teen. Irving and Greagoir don't seem to be the type to use the Rite of Tranquility on teenaged boys.

[SurelyForth]

kromify wrote...

anders was taken to the tower in his teens; i always assumed 15/16. he had time to take his harrowing - i don't know if he would have tried to run before that given the laws on tranquing harrowed mages. add in 7 escape attempts and a year's solitary... i think he might well be 25/26 by the time we meet him

He did run when he was an apprentice, though. Isn't that the story Finn tells in Witch Hunt? They were allowed to go swimming until Apprentice Anders Ruined It For Everyone by outswimming the templars?

If he was Harrowed when he was 18/19, that still gives him 7-8 years for six attempts (assuming he only made the one before his Harrowing) and his year in solitary.

And Awakening is only a few months, max. It still doesn't fit that comfortably in  the timeline, considering there's a 6 month gap between the Archdemon being slain and Awakening, but I've just come to accept the fact that time is screwed up in Thedas and I should just roll with it. One less thing to worry about when writing!

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Dunizel wrote...
Awakening-Anders at his best!
Maybe Varric is just trolling us, maybe he added A LOT of drama and heroic adventures...otherwise, what kind of story would that be...go imagine if we were all trolled by the writers.

God, can you imagine the reaction if in DA3, Casandra found Anders and he was exactly as he was in Awakening, and we all found out that Varric had invented all the angst, just for drama? XD

Anders: What? Me? An abomination? What is it with you people and your "Mage = abomination" nonsense!? And for the record? Justice. Inside of me? Um. Ewww!

[Ryzaki]

@Camilladilla: Appropriate ToP indeed.

@Trophonius: I assumed it had only been one year because that's what Varric's narration says...but yeah timeline makes no sense.

[DreGregoire]

I like to think Hawke meets Anders 6 months into his second year in Kirkwall, it just makes the numbers seem much smoother than saying he meets him at the beginning of the second year. I even try to do quests before obtaining him to make it feel more sensible.

[Dunizel]

Camilladilla wrote...

He was taken at 12 according to the short story and I actually think the reason he got away with seven escape attempts without severe repercussions is because he made several of them before his Harrowing when he was still a teen. Irving and Greagoir don't seem to be the type to use the Rite of Tranquility on teenaged boys.

The Harrowing theory makes sense but...when did the encounter at the Pearl with Isabela happen? 
Do they say the age for the Harrowing ceremony, more or less? I can't picture a 16 years old Anders with Isabela doing electricity tricks.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

When you're confused by canon lore and timekeeping, remember two things:

1) You have artistic license.

2) When they complain, you are doing it for Science.

[Tyrium]

Miri1984 wrote...

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Im starting to think maleHawke has it better off then femHawke when it comes to Anders Romance

Yeah, I'm dirty at Bioware for that.

Mmmn, the guys do get more content,  but at least he consistently rejects us - that makes up for it right? *sob*

More seriously, I do like the fact that the romance is very different based on gender. It works.

One thing I've noticed, that drives me nuts - flirting with the guy always cuts off all the interesting stories about the circle! You can't have the stories, then flirt, an flirting ends the conversation. I always end up doing each quest conversation twice - once to get the background info, and imagine its a conversation they have at home, and one to actualy progress the romance.

[kromify]

SurelyForth wrote...

He did run when he was an apprentice, though. Isn't that the story Finn tells in Witch Hunt? They were allowed to go swimming until Apprentice Anders Ruined It For Everyone by outswimming the templars?

did he? i never bought that...

[thebrute7]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

When you're confused by canon lore and timekeeping, remember two things:

1) You have artistic license.

2) When they complain, you are doing it for Science.

QFT

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

kromify wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

He did run when he was an apprentice, though. Isn't that the story Finn tells in Witch Hunt? They were allowed to go swimming until Apprentice Anders Ruined It For Everyone by outswimming the templars?

did he? i never bought that...

Amusing for us, though I doubt he made any friends after that.
Also, wow, he must be kind of athletic! (And didn't he get sick? Ferelden doesn't exactly have the warmest climate, and Kinloch Hold is pretty close to the mountains...)

More proof that Anders is not a tactitian as well. (Where the hell did he expect to go?)

[Tyrium]

TO be fair, he was pretty young (I picute him about 14 in that escape attempt)

Not the best idea ever, but hey, he was desperate.

Modifié par Tyrium, 30 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[Camilladilla]

Dunizel wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

He was taken at 12 according to the short story and I actually think the reason he got away with seven escape attempts without severe repercussions is because he made several of them before his Harrowing when he was still a teen. Irving and Greagoir don't seem to be the type to use the Rite of Tranquility on teenaged boys.

The Harrowing theory makes sense but...when did the encounter at the Pearl with Isabela happen? 
Do they say the age for the Harrowing ceremony, more or less? I can't picture a 16 years old Anders with Isabela doing electricity tricks.

It seems like the Harrowing happens anywhere from late teens to mid-twenties. The clock was already ticking for Jowan and he seemed early twenties to me.

My impression is that Anders did several escape attempts pre-Harrowing, say 4-5, then following his Harrowing his punishments just got more severe.

Also, well, I CAN see a 16 year old Anders with Isabela doing electricity tricks, but I have more issues with Isabela being a widowed pirate at 16. 

Modifié par Camilladilla, 01 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

When it comes to escape attempts and the Circle life, I wonder if Amell/Surana was more sheltered than the other mages as "Irving's pet-apprentice".

The First Enchanter's favourite pupil (taken at a young age) in comparison to the escapist trouble-making Anders (taken at 11), they'd have had different experiences.

It might also explain why the mage origin didn't really expose much of the horrors of being a Circle mage we keep hearing about.

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 01 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Camilladilla wrote...

 I have more issues with Isabela being a widowed pirate at 16. 

How so? (I haven't romanced Izzy yet, I have no idea how her full story goes aside from sold to her husband, then her husband got killed by Zev and they became sex-buddies-for-life (or at least until the Warden sunk his claws in))

[mellifera]

Tyrium wrote...

One thing I've noticed, that drives me nuts - flirting with the guy always cuts off all the interesting stories about the circle! You can't have the stories, then flirt, an flirting ends the conversation. I always end up doing each quest conversation twice - once to get the background info, and imagine its a conversation they have at home, and one to actualy progress the romance.

This drives me absolutely batty. I do the same thing with the reloading, because there's a lot of good stuff you miss out on. Especially the conversation where kissy time happens, there's a whole bunch of stuff you miss out on because of that.